Fulmer is still the best name.

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JMSqb11 said:
Only if I said one thing and then said another. Look at my post two pages back. I said he had casual conversations. But never a formal interview.
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not sure what you mean but I was applauding that you actually showed proof not going off emotional assumptions.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
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Like I said, never an official interview. He and Jurich only had casual conversations about it. If he really wanted to coach at Louisville, he would have gotten the job.
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Your source also clearly says Fulmer was interested in the job.

And way to add pure conjecture that if Fulmer "really wanted the job" he would have gotten it. You have absolutely no proof of that. It also could have meant Louisville never seriously considered him.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Your source also clearly says Fulmer was interested in the job.

And way to add pure conjecture that if Fulmer "really wanted the job" he would have gotten it. You have absolutely no proof of that. It also could have meant Louisville never seriously considered him.
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Him and Jurich were close enough that he could have gotten that gig. And we all know how people tell media one thing knowing its just smoke. He was never truly interested enough by Louisville that he wanted to push for it.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Him and Jurich were close enough that he could have gotten that gig. And we all know how people tell media one thing knowing its just smoke. He was never truly interested enough by Louisville that he wanted to push for it.
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Yes, and that clearly can work either way.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes, and that clearly can work either way.
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Fair point, but don't you think that a coach, who in 17 years always responded to a down year with 9+ wins the next who happened to winning a division every 3 years in the toughest conference, would get turned down by Big East schools if he was truly serious about coaching for them?

He would clearly get any gig he wanted in that sissy conference. He was not pushing for Louisville at all man. I know this as fact but that isn't good enough for a message board.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Except it's not semantics.

Snyder retired. As in HE decided not to coach anymore. He did not pursue any other jobs after he left KSU.

Fulmer was fired. As in it was NOT his decision to leave UT. Fulmer has been pursuing other jobs.

You want to call that "semantics", go ahead. All you'll be accomplishing is showing you don't know what "semantics" mean.
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Dude. Two coaches at the same basic stage of their careers stop coaching for a few years and then come back to their school (if Fulmer did of course). If that were to happen, there is nothing to say Fulmer could not win again just like CBS is doing right now. That was the original point. And it still stands. Because it is true. He could come back and lose but he also could come back and win. Either way, that answer is an unknown.
Now, I have not seen anything that says Fulmer pursued any job. But even if he did, what would that mean? I do not know if CBS pursued any jobs and do not really care. It would only be a meaningless feather in your cap. Pursuing jobs and the ability to win football games are different matters. The latter is what I am concerned with. You suit yourself.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Fair point, but don't you think that a coach, who in 17 years always responded to a down year with 9+ wins the next who happened to winning a division every 3 years in the toughest conference, would get turned down by Big East schools if he was truly serious about coaching for them?

He would clearly get any gig he wanted in that sissy conference. He was not pushing for Louisville at all man. I know this as fact but that isn't good enough for a message board.
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Again believe whatever you want.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Except it's not semantics.

Snyder retired. As in HE decided not to coach anymore. He did not pursue any other jobs after he left KSU.

Fulmer was fired. As in it was NOT his decision to leave UT. Fulmer has been pursuing other jobs.

You want to call that "semantics", go ahead. All you'll be accomplishing is showing you don't know what "semantics" mean.
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A person in an argument may say "that is just semantics" implying that the point in contention is a mere verbal quibble. One that has no bearing on anything in the real world (like the original point being argued). Good day dictionary boy.
 
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PimpVol said:
A person in an argument may say "that is just semantics" implying that the point in contention is a mere verbal quibble. One that has no bearing on anything in the real world (like the original point being argued). Good day dictionary boy.
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Tell yourself whatever you need to boy.
 
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#889
When I think about the Tennessee job something my dad told me keeps popping in my head.

My dad is an Attorney and has been very successful since passing the bar in the early 80's. About 18 years ago he got offered a high profile case. The case made the news every night around the world. He turned it down. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why. One day I asked him. He asked me why he should take it? He went on to say I am very successful and make plenty of money because I'm successful. He told me you have to be careful it takes a lifetime to create a reputation and one mistake to ruin it. If I win the case it will not make me any better or make me more money and I'll still have the same clients, but lose and your career may be over. If your going to gamble make sure your going to win!!!

Listening to everyone talk about Fulmer and how he is not currently coaching. I ask myself if a hall of fame coach with a NC, 2 SEC Championships and numerous awards can't get a job. Then what happens to to the coach without Fulmers record if he fails here?

Is Tennessee that job that if you take it and fail your coaching career may be over? Is the risk worth the reward? Is the squeeze worth the juice?
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
When I think about the Tennessee job something my dad told me keeps popping in my head.

My dad is an Attorney and has been very successful since passing the bar in the early 80's. About 18 years ago he got offered a high profile case. The case made the news every night around the world. He turned it down. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why. One day I asked him. He asked me why he should take it? He went on to say I am very successful and make plenty of money because I'm successful. He told me you have to be careful it takes a lifetime to create a reputation and one mistake to ruin it. If I win the case it will not make me any better or make me more money and I'll still have the same clients, but lose and your career may be over. If your going to gamble make sure your going to win!!!

Listening to everyone talk about Fulmer and how he is not currently coaching. I ask myself if a hall of fame coach with a NC, 2 SEC Championships and numerous awards can't get a job. Then what happens to to the coach without Fulmers record if he fails here?

Is Tennessee that job that if you take it and fail your coaching career may be over? Is the risk worth the reward? Is the squeeze worth the juice?
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I understand that. Interesting analogy. However, I think Fulmer will always be thought of being a success here.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I understand that. Interesting analogy. However, I think Fulmer will always be thought of being a success here.
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I agree that Fulmer was a success and will go down in the history books as one of our greatest.

I was using every ones argument that he is a terrible coach who will never coach again. If it can happen to Fulmer what happens to the next coach if they don't succeed. Is their career over. Not many carry the resume that Fulmer has and it happened to him.
 
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I would be fine with Fulmer be named the new head coach today. Bring Chavis back. We could afford to hire one of the best OC's in the country as Fulmers salary would be 2-2.5 million. Tee Martin comes home, Jay Graham stays, Pittman stays. Dale Jones, Kevin Steele, Terry Joseph, and Dan Brooks on staff.

Very affordable option and a very solid group to recruit now. Think about OL, Pittmsn and Fulmer as your coaches. We would be great for years to come on the line. I think Chavis would come back for 1 million to finish his career next to Phil. I would go after Todd Monken for OC at Okie State. He has SEC experience and he makes just over 600,000. Offer him 850 grand and bring him to KVille.
 
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Merlot said:
He has everything we need to get the program back to being competitive and implementing a coaching search, and subsequent transition, upon his retirement.
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this forum needs an enema
 
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Merlot said:
He has everything we need to get the program back to being competitive and implementing a coaching search, and subsequent transition, upon his retirement.
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i was thinking about what Hart said about academics,causing problems for recruiting, didn't he say,that it has been a problem for a long time ? and other concerns?
i was wondering if coach Fulmer,had been the one,that had to start taking the hits in the recruiting process,it is just a thought,but he may have been handcuffed in his attempts to recruit,that would explain a lot to me
 
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governmentmule said:
i was thinking about what Hart said about academics,causing problems for recruiting, didn't he say,that it has been a problem for a long time ? and other concerns?
i was wondering if coach Fulmer,had been the one,that had to start taking the hits in the recruiting process,it is just a thought,but he may have been handcuffed in his attempts to recruit,that would explain a lot to me
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He was the first to get hit. He stood up for the program that's why Hamilton was out to get him. Once it got so bad and started to show Fulmer got all the blame. No one saw that it was Hamilton who was setting every road block that he could if front of Fulmer. Then when the fans turned on Fulmer Hamilton used it to get rid of him.

There were a couple of bad hires that did not help him either.
 
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governmentmule said:
i was thinking about what Hart said about academics,causing problems for recruiting, didn't he say,that it has been a problem for a long time ? and other concerns?
i was wondering if coach Fulmer,had been the one,that had to start taking the hits in the recruiting process,it is just a thought,but he may have been handcuffed in his attempts to recruit,that would explain a lot to me
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Fulmer talked about it alot. He tried to get it changed for many year while noone listened. I bet if you looked at his resume without the name attached, alot of people would see him as a very good option for UT. Alot of people wanted him gone for 2 losing seasons in 17 years. Their pride is the only thing keeping them from wanting him back coaching here.
 
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i agree about the pride part,it makes sense to me now,i didn't like the way the whole thing went down,if he had been kept and been able to run the program like he wanted to,i think he would have beat the Generals record for wins by now

for having 2 bad years,with his winning percentage,over the years,he should have been given more time to overcome the Clawfense ,that was a awful hire, just like what killed CDD,with Sal


CPF and the chief would have the program looking to kick some butt,instead of the other way around
 
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