Fulmer Picking Up Steam/Schools looking at Fulmer?(merged)

He would have continued bringing in highly talented classes (and would have had zero turnover and defections, which is what really doomed our talent levels) that would win between 7 and 9 games MOST years (like he did his whole time here). And laugh all you want, I hope your breathing troubles don't keep you from posting...

That's a crock.

The reason Tennessee is in the situation it's in now is two abysmal recruiting classes thanks to Phil.

Winning 7 games on a consistent basis gets you around South Carolina level. Have fun with that.
 
I am no Fulmer apologist, but I would guarantee Fulmer would make a bowl this year. He would have continued bringing in highly talented classes (and would have had zero turnover and defections, which is what really doomed our talent levels) that would win between 7 and 9 games MOST years (like he did his whole time here). And laugh all you want, I hope your breathing troubles don't keep you from posting...

Having said that, I do NOT agree with utgibbs about where he views the program had Fulmer not left.

We've experienced a massive amount of attrition from causes unrelated to coaching turnover. When you recruit guys other schools are passing on, that's what happens.
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but I would persnally like to see Fulmer as AD. Regardless what everyone says, 1) Fulmer is a Vol through and through and 2) will be great for the university. He should end his career in Knoxville.
Everyone on this board talks trash about Chavis also, but 3) the last time I check his defense is number 1 in the SEC and when he was here we always had a top three defense even in our bad years that got Fulmer fired. Hiring Fulmer as AD would be a plus if Dooley ever wanted Chavis back as DC.
I know I am going to get bashed but I don't care. Facts is Facts.

1) how does this justify him being AD? if thats all it takes then there are about 450 qualified candidates here on volnation
2) how is this great for the university? he had his chance and ran the football program into the ground
3) and???? with the talent he has and add to it the fact that his D hasnt played any real offenses (UNC WV TN FLA all are very average to poor) it isnt really a challenge to have a highly ranked D.
if his D can shut down Newton, Bama, and even Masoli then maybe he can say he is still a good D coach. even then why would Dooley want him back?
 
fulmer stopped winning, got fired and got millions on the way out---why is that hard to understand?
 
Yes; those wins over Southern Miss., Arkansas St., Louisiana-Lafayette, USCjr (6-6), Vanderbilt (5-7), and the all too familiar SECC game lose had me beaming with pride.

Does the post-Fulmer era have you "beaming with pride"?
 
That's a crock.

The reason Tennessee is in the situation it's in now is two abysmal recruiting classes thanks to Phil.

Winning 7 games on a consistent basis gets you around South Carolina level. Have fun with that.

Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with your boy Kiffin, who ran off more than a dozen 4/5* recruits, threw away or lost us more players committed to Tennessee at the time, and then abandoned ship in the middle of the night.
 
Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with your boy Kiffin, who ran off more than a dozen 4/5* recruits, threw away or lost us more players committed to Tennessee at the time, and then abandoned ship in the middle of the night.

How about naming the dozen plus 4/5* recruits that he ran off?
 
Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with your boy Kiffin, who ran off more than a dozen 4/5* recruits, threw away or lost us more players committed to Tennessee at the time, and then abandoned ship in the middle of the night.

name them please. these players that were "r-u-n-n o-f-t"?
 
Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with your boy Kiffin, who ran off more than a dozen 4/5* recruits, threw away or lost us more players committed to Tennessee at the time, and then abandoned ship in the middle of the night.

And all those players are now really making Kiffin look foolish by dominating at their new homes. I mean, I haven't heard anything like that at all, but I have to assume it's true. It's not like Fulmer had a reputation for recruiting busts.
 
How about naming the dozen plus 4/5* recruits that he ran off?

Back to being a Kiffin apologist, I see. Ok, we'll use nice little p.c. phrases like "lost due to Kiffin's choices and actions" rather than "run oft" if it makes you feel better about your favorite coach.

The list of 4/5* Recruits/Commits 'Lost" Thanks to Kiffin: Coleman, Creer, Langley, Johnson, Myers, Paige, Donald, Sawtelle, Ward, Douglas, Vinson, Shakleford, Boyd, Thigpen. This does not include players lost during his tenure due to off-field issues (Nuke, Edwards) nor other recruits lost (Myles, Brown).

Name me another program that lost that many 4/5* players/commits in between just a season of football.
 
That's a crock.

The reason Tennessee is in the situation it's in now is two abysmal recruiting classes thanks to Phil.

Winning 7 games on a consistent basis gets you around South Carolina level. Have fun with that.

The 2007 class would, from a * perspective, or from a current quality of contribution perspective, be above Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Kentucky and Vandy, five of whom are playing better than us right now. So the 2007 class - despite Kiffin's gut-and-run effect on UT football -- is not the core of the problem.
 
Back to being a Kiffin apologist, I see. Ok, we'll use nice little p.c. phrases like "lost due to Kiffin's choices and actions" rather than "run oft" if it makes you feel better about your favorite coach.

The list of 4/5* Recruits/Commits 'Lost" Thanks to Kiffin: Coleman, Creer, Langley, Johnson, Myers, Paige, Donald, Sawtelle, Ward, Douglas, Vinson, Shakleford, Boyd, Thigpen. This does not include players lost during his tenure due to off-field issues (Nuke, Edwards) nor other recruits lost (Myles, Brown).

Name me another program that lost that many 4/5* players/commits in between just a season of football.

Now that was entertaining. You tried to make it spud like it was players that matter. Two of them can play. The rest are simply names.
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I did not expect overnight miracles. It took Fulmer, and complacent fans like you and gibbs, several years to run it into the ditch. Ask me in 2 years.

How long before we can be "complacent" and expect 9 wins, an SEC title appearance and a NYD bowl game?
 
Back to being a Kiffin apologist, I see. Ok, we'll use nice little p.c. phrases like "lost due to Kiffin's choices and actions" rather than "run oft" if it makes you feel better about your favorite coach.

The list of 4/5* Recruits/Commits 'Lost" Thanks to Kiffin: Coleman, Creer, Langley, Johnson, Myers, Paige, Donald, Sawtelle, Ward, Douglas, Vinson, Shakleford, Boyd, Thigpen. This does not include players lost during his tenure due to off-field issues (Nuke, Edwards) nor other recruits lost (Myles, Brown).

Name me another program that lost that many 4/5* players/commits in between just a season of football.

so if you are going to hold a coach responsible for another persons actions (kiffin did handle it by getting them off the team) then your parents should be put in jail for raising a not-so-smart child. after all they are responsible for you

and those you listed, outside of douglas, really arent that good.

and if you are going to include the recruits that are "lost" because of them going to another school:
why are you not bashing your hero - fat- bc of patrick willis and randall cobb and people like that?
 
How long before we can be "complacent" and expect 9 wins, an SEC title appearance and a NYD bowl game?

Regardless, it'll be fewer years than the backslide to surpassing Neyland was going to take.
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Back to being a Kiffin apologist, I see. Ok, we'll use nice little p.c. phrases like "lost due to Kiffin's choices and actions" rather than "run oft" if it makes you feel better about your favorite coach.

The list of 4/5* Recruits/Commits 'Lost" Thanks to Kiffin: Coleman, Creer, Langley, Johnson, Myers, Paige, Donald, Sawtelle, Ward, Douglas, Vinson, Shakleford, Boyd, Thigpen. This does not include players lost during his tenure due to off-field issues (Nuke, Edwards) nor other recruits lost (Myles, Brown).

Name me another program that lost that many 4/5* players/commits in between just a season of football.

That list makes Kiffin look like an excellent judge of talent. Most have washed out of football. A hand full are playing for programs like UTC, LA Tech, and Texas Tech. Hardly a glowing endorsement for Fulmer’s ability to evaluate and recruit talent.

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Yep. Chris Donald left UT because of Kiffin. Had nothing to do with him being unable to play.
 
And all those players are now really making Kiffin look foolish by dominating at their new homes. I mean, I haven't heard anything like that at all, but I have to assume it's true. It's not like Fulmer had a reputation for recruiting busts.

as evidenced by all the NFL draft picks that went through Tennessee during Fulmer's tenure
 
as evidenced by all the NFL draft picks that went through Tennessee during Fulmer's tenure

Maybe that’s my problem. All of those 4/5* VegasVol recruits I thought washed out, because I could not find them playing NCAA Football, must have entered the draft early and are playing in the NFL.
 
Fulmer did that 1 time in his last 5 years. I hope it does not take that long.

Fulmer won 9 or more 3 times in his last 5 years; let me know when that happens again at UT, since you claim it so easy to achieve that achieving it means nothing...
 

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