'19 GA ATH Owen Pappoe (Auburn signee)

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Vol_from_86 said:
You'll never see Vanderbilt consistently make a bowl game. Being in the mix is good for them. The coaching carousel may very well continue, but if the Presidents and ADs are smart they'd take a step back and develop some realistic expectations before pulling the trigger on their next firing. There's nothing wrong with what Iowa, Mississippi State, West Virginia, and Washington State are doing... hovering around 8 or 9 wins and then make an occasional run.

You think Washington State regrets not firing Mike Leach after he went 3-9 in year 3 after winning 6 games the previous year? Or do you think West Virginia regrets not firing Dana Holgersen after he went 4-8 in year 3? No. They do not. And I bet Kentucky doesn't regret firing Stoops either after he went 5-7 in year 3 and followed that up with back to back 6-win seasons.

Patience pays off more times than people realize.
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Those are second and third tier programs.

AU isn’t gonna sit around waiting for one great year every 6-7 seasons and hopefully we’ll never be content with that either.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
You'll never see Vanderbilt consistently make a bowl game. Being in the mix is good for them. The coaching carousel may very well continue, but if the Presidents and ADs are smart they'd take a step back and develop some realistic expectations before pulling the trigger on their next firing. There's nothing wrong with what Iowa, Mississippi State, West Virginia, and Washington State are doing... hovering around 8 or 9 wins and then make an occasional run.

You think Washington State regrets not firing Mike Leach after he went 3-9 in year 3 after winning 6 games the previous year? Or do you think West Virginia regrets not firing Dana Holgersen after he went 4-8 in year 3? No. They do not. And I bet Kentucky doesn't regret firing Stoops either after he went 5-7 in year 3 and followed that up with back to back 6-win seasons.

Patience pays off more times than people realize.
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Sure, use non blue blood programs to prove that point but I get your point.
 
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chavisut said:
Those are second and third tier programs.

AU isn’t gonna sit around waiting for one great year every 6-7 seasons and hopefully we’ll never be content with that either.
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I’d be happy with one great season every 6 years. That’s better than one great season in 20 years, which is what we’re currently facing, and those results would be as good as any program in the country other than Alabama. Just don’t think we should let a once in a lifetime coach like Saban set the standard. It’s unrealistic. JMO.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I’d be happy with one great season every 6 years. That’s better than one great season in 20 years, which is what we’re currently facing, and it’s as good as program in the country other than Alabama. Just don’t think we should let a once in a lifetime coach like Saban set the standard. It’s unrealistic. JMO.
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UK has been patient with Stoops because 7-6 seasons are okay at UK. This year is like a senior heavy mid major making a deep March run. They'll be back to 7-6 shortly.

I'd rather keep searching for the right guy than accept 8-4 as the norm. Agree to disagree.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I actually think Mason has done a better job than his record indicates, if that makes sense

I really do think he’s a pretty good coach and his guys come to play.
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Couldn't agree more, Franklin was an outlier for Vandy and they may never have another like him, but Mason is a decent coach and they could and have done much much worse
 
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chavisut said:
I'd rather keep searching for the right guy than accept 8-4 as the norm. Agree to disagree.
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Of course, the filp side of always searching for the "right guy" means that you will have a program constantly in chaos. No decent coach wants to come into a situation where they'll be on the hot seat from day 1.

Rebuilding a program takes time, even for the best coaches. That's the uncomfortable truth some UT fans appear to have a problem accepting. Heck, even in UT hired Saban tomorrow, it would still take at least two recruiting cycles to filp this roster, let alone install new offensive/defensive systems.
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
Of course, the filp side of always searching for the "right guy" means that you will have a program constantly in chaos. No decent coach wants to come into a situation where they'll be on the hot seat from day 1.

Rebuilding a program takes time, even for the best coaches. That's the uncomfortable truth some UT fans appear to have a problem accepting. Heck, even in UT hired Saban tomorrow, it would still take at least two recruiting cycles to filp this roster, let alone install new offensive/defensive systems.
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Yep. But no reason Pruitt can’t field an Atlanta-caliber team in three years. Butch darn near fielded a playoff-caliber team in 2016 after three cycles.

I think Pruitt is facing a markedly tougher East though than Butch ever did. Florida and Georgia are legit. Tough row to hoe. The east will be VERY competitive in a few years.
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
Of course, the filp side of always searching for the "right guy" means that you will have a program constantly in chaos. No decent coach wants to come into a situation where they'll be on the hot seat from day 1.

Rebuilding a program takes time, even for the best coaches. That's the uncomfortable truth some UT fans appear to have a problem accepting. Heck, even in UT hired Saban tomorrow, it would still take at least two recruiting cycles to filp this roster, let alone install new offensive/defensive systems.
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If you're stepping into a big time program, you're stepping into pressure right away.

Do you think it would be any less chaotic if we held onto the last two coaches longer?
 
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chavisut said:
UK has been patient with Stoops because 7-6 seasons are okay at UK. This year is like a senior heavy mid major making a deep March run. They'll be back to 7-6 shortly.

I'd rather keep searching for the right guy than accept 8-4 as the norm. Agree to disagree.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
 
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BucVol98 said:
Couldn't agree more, Franklin was an outlier for Vandy and they may never have another like him, but Mason is a decent coach and they could and have done much much worse
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Franklin is little better Butch 2.0. Not very good at talent evaluations. Ra ra type of coach. He will continue to underachieve at Penn State.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I’d be happy with one great season every 6 years. That’s better than one great season in 20 years, which is what we’re currently facing, and it’s as good as program in the country other than Alabama. Just don’t think we should let a once in a lifetime coach like Saban set the standard. It’s unrealistic. JMO.
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chavisut said:
If you're stepping into a big time program, you're stepping into pressure right away.

Do you think it would be any less chaotic if we held onto the last two coaches longer?
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No one is saying the last two coaches were the right fit for tennessee. To be successful a team needs time to build. If there isn't some sort of stability in a program, there is no way of landing top talent like Pappoe, Morris, Wright just to name a few. We will know in a couple of years if coach Pruitt is the one, then it will be about looking around for more chaos or trying to hang on to him. We are going to have losses and I can accept them if we compete and have a chance in the game. I don't want to sit here and settle for 7 or 8 either but it sure is better than 4 or 5 and getting 9 every once in a while then when that coach gets fired have a bare roster where the next rebuild takes 3 year. We have no other option than to be patient or we will keep having to pay buy outs to coaches that didn't belong here.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Yep. But no reason Pruitt can’t field an Atlanta-caliber team in three years. Butch darn near fielded a playoff-caliber team in 2016 after three cycles.

I think Pruitt is facing a markedly tougher East though than Butch ever did. Florida and Georgia are legit. Tough row to hoe. The east will be VERY competitive in a few years.
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Butch did field a playoff caliber team, yet he couldn’t win the east when it was at an all time low
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
Of course, the filp side of always searching for the "right guy" means that you will have a program constantly in chaos. No decent coach wants to come into a situation where they'll be on the hot seat from day 1.

Rebuilding a program takes time, even for the best coaches. That's the uncomfortable truth some UT fans appear to have a problem accepting. Heck, even in UT hired Saban tomorrow, it would still take at least two recruiting cycles to filp this roster, let alone install new offensive/defensive systems.
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Theres not a "flip side". These coaches aren't stupid, they know who the better coaches are and when a Dooley falls on his ass and gets fired it makes sense to them. When the Band guy loses his $#1+ (after 5 years) and goes 4-8, they know whats gonna happen to him. This idea that UT has gone off on some tangent from the rest of the country and the "pressure" is on some level never seen before is silly.

Sure it takes time to rebuild a program. But UT didn't end up with Pruitt because they are being punished by the coach pool for firing Dooley or the trumpet blower prematurely. Both of them had ample time, Pruitt hasn't yet.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Yep. But no reason Pruitt can’t field an Atlanta-caliber team in three years. Butch darn near fielded a playoff-caliber team in 2016 after three cycles.

I think Pruitt is facing a markedly tougher East though than Butch ever did. Florida and Georgia are legit. Tough row to hoe. The east will be VERY competitive in a few years.
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I never felt like he was close to a playoff team.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I actually think Mason has done a better job than his record indicates, if that makes sense

I really do think he’s a pretty good coach and his guys come to play.
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Good coach just can't recruit worth a flip or doesn't want to compete in recruiting. If he did he would have a better record. Seems to only go after underdogs that nobody wants. He could have easily taken more advantage of Nashville while we were down but he didn't. Franklin would have have owned Nashville the past few yrs
 
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