'17 GA DT Aubrey Solomon (NCAA IS A FAIR ORGANIZATION)

[Cosmo Kramer]

This morning Atlanta Vol essentially said Solomon had been denied and TN had appealed. No word yet on appeal

 

[LouderVol]

Fwiw the intent of the year-in-residency requirement isn't to be a punishment. Sitting a year is done in the interest of the student. Some see it as punishment, and that seems clear if we are only looking at them as athletes. It is actually from tons of research showing an SA, during their year of transfer, can get overwhelmed and their academics suffer, some to the point of no longer being on track to graduate or even continue in college.

link?

 

[VolsSince78]

Fwiw the intent of the year-in-residency requirement isn't to be a punishment. Sitting a year is done in the interest of the student. Some see it as punishment, and that seems clear if we are only looking at them as athletes. It is actually from tons of research showing an SA, during their year of transfer, can get overwhelmed and their academics suffer, some to the point of no longer being on track to graduate or even continue in college.

The PRIMARY reason for the rule is that it benefits the universities. Any benefit or hindrance to the student athlete's welfare from the rule is a minor consideration to the NCAA.

The NCAA also use to state that the student athletes' academic progress was the reason that all freshmen had to redshirt prior to the '70s. The freshman redshirt rule was then discarded by the NCAA when it realized some athletes would just bypass college (and schools would then miss out on making $ off those athletes).

 

[Devo182]

No idea if it’s accurate but a media outlet did report it as well

A reputable one?

 

[Devo182]

link?

It's been a couple years since I read about that. Don't have a link atm (listening to reggae at an outdoor bar rn). Probably try searching ncaa year in residency or something along those lines. If you genuinely care and can't find it, I'll look some when I get a chance, just let me know.

 

[BruinVol]

A reputable one?

104.5

 

[BruinVol]

The PRIMARY reason for the rule is that it benefits the universities. Any benefit or hindrance to the student athlete's welfare from the rule is a minor consideration to the NCAA.

The NCAA also use to state that the student athletes' academic progress was the reason that all freshmen had to redshirt prior to the '70s. The freshman redshirt rule was then discarded by the NCAA when it realized some athletes would just bypass college (and schools would then miss out on making $ off those athletes).

Imo sitting out is used as a deterrent from transferring which in turn protects the student from two things

1) open free agency would be very distracting to student athletes.


And the biggest reason imo


2) transferring schools almost always slows down the path to graduation.

 

[BeecherVol]

Imo sitting out is used as a deterrent from transferring which in turn protects the student from two things

1) open free agency would be very distracting to student athletes.


And the biggest reason imo


2) transferring schools almost always slows down the path to graduation.

I think it's funny when "student" gets thrown in front of "athlete" when it needs to be.

If only my second college I transferred to (as a non athlete) had told me I had to sit out a year.

 

[VOLATNES]

still a consquence for the school. if the buy out isn't worth it they don't get fired/hired.

look at Malzahn. or any coach on the hot seat. that buyout matters plenty. there is a reason the schools put that into the contracts for new hires. that was part of the galactic messup that was Mike Hamiliton and Kiffin. No buyout for Kiffin to go to USC. you better believe that had a big part in him leaving like he did.

Think the point was that the coaches pay no consequences for moving school to school. Yet players have to sit out to transfer. When a coach is hired away to another program, he just moves on. No consequences for him. His buyout is paid by the hiring school most of the time. Not talking about buyouts keeping a coach from getting fired. Totally different subject.

 

[BruinVol]

I think it's funny when "student" gets thrown in front of "athlete" when it needs to be.

If only my second college I transferred to (as a non athlete) had told me I had to sit out a year.

Even a regular student likely loses credits and takes some steps backward from graduation when they change schools

 

[Devo182]

So they only care about the ones that deny and don't care about the ones they approve? Interesting

I do think their current process is inconsistent with their stated philosophy, as stated many times. Not sure what your point was.

It seems they have been pushed too far by their "member groups" to allow these immediate eligibilities, regardless of effect on academics.

 

[Sleegro]

Guys, I have a buddy who works as a statistician for the NCAA. He just texted me and told me he helped figure out a method for determining eligibility that takes into account all relevant factors and gives you the result. The best news is that the NCAA unwittingly published it online.

I've included the link. Run the simulation for Aubrey and let me know what you get.

Wheel Decide | Official NCAA Transfer Eligibility Arbitrator

Good news.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Good news.



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It's settled. Now we just wait for the official press conference.

 

[volatil]

If the NCAA was consistent with these decisions it would be easier to take.

 

[BruinVol]

If the NCAA was consistent with these decisions it would be easier to take.

The problem is we never really know what the circumstances are used for the waiver request.

 

[BeecherVol]

Even a regular student likely loses credits and takes some steps backward from graduation when they change schools

And yet many still make the choice regardless if they feel the future benefit outweighs staying. On both sides.

And I disagree that the academic setback is "likely" for the athlete and non athlete alike. Getting a degree is a lot different than it was 20 years ago.

The AA is a joke from many angles. This is just one.

 

[Devo182]

I think it's funny when "student" gets thrown in front of "athlete" when it needs to be.

If only my second college I transferred to (as a non athlete) had told me I had to sit out a year.

Told you to sit out a year from what? You did nothing outside of academia, so what could you have been sat out of?

 

[BruinVol]

And yet many still make the choice regardless if they feel the future benefit outweighs staying. On both sides.

And I disagree that the academic setback is "likely" for the athlete and non athlete alike. Getting a degree is a lot different than it was 20 years ago.

It really depends on the schools one is coming and going to. If they are able to keep their major and what year they are in school.

If transferring wasn’t without penalty I think you’d see a lot of free agent juniors Jump **** and I know a junior that is close to graduating would in most cases lose a number of credit hours.

 

[BeecherVol]

It really depends on the schools one is coming and going to. If they are able to keep their major and what year they are in school.

If transferring wasn’t without penalty I think you’d see a lot of free agent juniors Jump **** and I know a junior that is close to graduating would in most cases lose a number of credit hours.

Welcome to life.

Where choices have risks and rewards involved.

 

[BeecherVol]

Told you to sit out a year from what? You did nothing outside of academia, so what could you have been sat out of?

School.

Obviously I'm not smart enough to realize I could be forfeiting credit hours and set myself further from graduation by changing schools and or majors.

I worked 30+ hours a week through college (which I didnt finish) and was also in the middle of changing jobs when it happened. It's not like there were not other distractions going on in life.

 

[BruinVol]

Welcome to life.

Where choices have risks and rewards involved.

Well yea that was point. The risk of transferring comes with sitting out and imo that’s appropriate

 

[KeyVol14]

Well yea that was point. The risk of transferring comes with sitting out and imo that’s approximate

From just a student standpoint I can transfer from any college I want and take classes the immediate semester that follows. Idk why it should be any different if you are an athlete in regards to being able to play

 

[OnOne]

Well yea that was point. The risk of transferring comes with sitting out and imo that’s appropriate

But coaches are exempt from consequences...get all the money and None of the risk

 

[BruinVol]

But coaches are exempt from consequences...get all the money and None of the risk

Obviously things are far from perfect but as I pointed out earlier the consequences for coaches leaving are there in buyouts.


Imo I’d be fine with players getting a free one time transfer without sitting if the head coach leaves.

 

[chargervol]

From just a student standpoint I can transfer from any college I want and take classes the immediate semester that follows. Idk why it should be any different if you are an athlete in regards to being able to play

Games are what, 7-8% of the time dedicated to fb?
90 some percent being practices S&C and classroom meetings with the coaches? But Gibbs or any transfer participates in everything but the games?.

Hold them out but don't bs me as to why. It's absolutely not the fake acclimation claim.