'18 GA LB JJ Peterson (Tennessee signee)

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VolTilWeFall98 said:
Definitely shoulda been developed better. Crazy how little progression alot of high ranked recruits showed from their Freshman yr til whatever yr they left. Surely the last staff wasn't THAT bad. I honestly bought in for a long time. Thought we had a good staff. Player development was a problem. But yea, with Bates, I can't put my finger on it, but ur right, something was definitely just "off". I know Bates is a good player too. But man, smh. He's gotta turn his game up a notch in whatever area he's lacking in. Untapped potential is how I see Bates at this point.
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He doesn’t look the part at all athletically when he’s been out there. Looks Jumper level athletically when I’ve seen him in games.
 
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I recall that Bates had a very high score in the SPARQ test, ranking among the nation's best. His measurables in camps showed tremendous athleticism. It surprised me at the time that his were so high given that Bill was more effort and hustle than physical talent.

To say he isn't a top notch athlete means you have no confidence in the camp evaluation, which is you prerogative. But most would consider top 12 nationally as an indication of athleticism.

He is a gifted athlete, and sought after by several good programs. That makes the performance issues more puzzling.
 
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KBVol said:
The reason we forget that DL haul....

1. KMac has been a rather large bust who should’ve been moved to OG awhile ago.
2. Tuttle has been constantly injured and those injuries have evidently taken a big toll on his ability to play at a high level and realize what once looked like great potential.
3. Picou was never more than a backup SEC DL
4. Phillips has also been oft-injured, hasn’t lived up to anywhere near his 5-star billing.
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I really think most of these guys have been hindered a lot by coaching. I’m not sure any of them would have turned out to be as dominant as we’d all hoped when they signed, but good coaching could have gotten a lot more out of these guys.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I really think most of these guys have been hindered a lot by coaching. I’m not sure any of them would have turned out to be as dominant as we’d all hoped when they signed, but good coaching could have gotten a lot more out of these guys.
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I'll never forget what Kiffin did with Crompton in the span of about 6 months. If we can see that at multiple positions from this next staff we're going to be just fine.
 
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thunder5 said:
Yep...

Taylor-Allen
Kirkland-Ignont
Bituli-Smith(Walker if we can get him)
Sapp-Page(Peterson if we can get him)

That’s a dang solid 2-deep at LB if developed properly...and all of them would be back in 19 assuming none of them leave early or get kicked off
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The only guys that fit as an OLB are Taylor, Allen, and Austin Smith. Add DeAndre Walker and Kongbo to OLB.

The rest are ILBs. Bituli and Kirkland start. Ignont is next in, then Sapp.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
I recall that Bates had a very high score in the SPARQ test, ranking among the nation's best. His measurables in camps showed tremendous athleticism. It surprised me at the time that his were so high given that Bill was more effort and hustle than physical talent.

To say he isn't a top notch athlete means you have no confidence in the camp evaluation, which is you prerogative. But most would consider top 12 nationally as an indication of athleticism.

He is a gifted athlete, and sought after by several good programs. That makes the performance issues more puzzling.
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He was great in coverage in high school too. He wasn’t just some camp measurables guy. He had a bunch of injuries his first few years and I’m assuming that took its toll.
 
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Vol865 said:
The only guys that fit as an OLB are Taylor, Allen, and Austin Smith. Add DeAndre Walker and Kongbo to OLB.

The rest are ILBs. Bituli and Kirkland start. Ignont is next in, then Sapp.
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Page may be a good safety. He has good speed, but needs to learn how to destroy a runner or receiver. I am not sure he can carry the weight needed to be an OLB in the 3-4.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's graded out the last 2 years as one of the better 1-techniques in college football according to PFF.

You just hate him cause there's no stats you can point to.

Just watch KMac flourish in the 3-4. He's actually made to be zero technique nose tackle.
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I agree about kmac but couldn't find any pff grades from this year. All I could find was this article from before this season started. Which may be more indicative anyway since the team just gave up this year.

2018 Prospect Preview: Kahlil McKenzie flashed brilliance last year, before injury | NFL Draft news and analysis | Pro Football Focus
 
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Biopsyman said:
Really did this last year
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Yeah this article is from August of this year. I think people calling him a bust are just reactions from this season which I am wiping from the record. Hahaha. He did get hurt pretty early in 16 so it has been a while since we've seem him play well. But I'm not writing anyone off from watching 2017 except butch.
 
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Vol865 said:
The only guys that fit as an OLB are Taylor, Allen, and Austin Smith. Add DeAndre Walker and Kongbo to OLB.

The rest are ILBs. Bituli and Kirkland start. Ignont is next in, then Sapp.
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I’m not as familiar with 3-4 OLBs...I know you have the one side that’s similar to a 4-3 WDE but plays more in space...i see Taylor, Allen and maybe Smith fitting this role as you said...isn’t the other side similar to a hybrid safety/OLB?
 
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thunder5 said:
I’m not as familiar with 3-4 OLBs...I know you have the one side that’s similar to a 4-3 WDE but plays more in space...i see Taylor, Allen and maybe Smith fitting this role as you said...isn’t the other side similar to a hybrid safety/OLB?
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I think the other side is more situation dependent in Pruitt d. But yeah a lot of the time it's the star which seems to be that hybrid position. And the other side is the jack olb de hybrid. Allows more formation flexibility between 34 and nickel without having to sub.
 
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TheOrangeSwarm said:
I'll never forget what Kiffin did with Crompton in the span of about 6 months. If we can see that at multiple positions from this next staff we're going to be just fine.
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This wasn't as big of a coaching thing as people think. I talked to Jim Chaney about this personally. He said Crompton was a 'yes' QB. If a coach asked him if he liked a play, "yes," was always his answer.
He contrasted this with Drew Breeze who would be very candid. "Coach, don't call that play, so in so f's up his block." "Too long to develop." Whatever.

When they figured this out they were able to get feedback from JC that helped them tailor the playbook to his strengths.
 
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sanddune50 said:
- And Smith may possibly break out with a new staff
- You can say the same thing for any LBer that you said about Ignont for any of the teams you mentioned who haven't played yet
- Don't know about Kongbo, guess we will see.
- We recruited top 15 the last 4 years. It's a development issue, not a talent issue.
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It’s both imo
 
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VolTilWeFall98 said:
That's hilarious......considering I'm white myself, ha. So yea, I'm saying my opinion based off of racist assumptions. Smh. YOU are quite ridiculous. I base my opinion off of what I see and read, but thank ya tho.

Bates is 6'3 and 213lbs, while Sapp is a little more maneuverable at 6'1, 200lbs. From what MY eyes have shown me, Sapp seems a little more athletic than Bates. If you don't agree, then that's YOUR opinion.

And McDowell was lauded as being an all around athlete coming out of high school to UT - quote by his HS Coach from Locust Grove HS, Clint Satterfield - "he has the ability to turn a normal play into a gamebreaker at anytime. He plays Wildcat, WR, Slot, RB....wherever we can hide him."..........so, I base my opinion that McDowell is awfully athletic himself. So compared to Bates, MY opinion is what I've read and seen.

And my last point on ur racist crap, is that I said Bates had the "higher football IQ" due to his family roots, and his father playing in the NFL and all those kind of small details. NOT because he's white. Some ppl amaze me. Smh
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Bates has been 230 lbs for the last 3 seasons and Sapp is 220 lbs. I’d roll with your assessments of their athleticism. I don’t think either fit Pruitt’s ideals in a linebacker...if he has a choice.
 
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Roustabout said:
This wasn't as big of a coaching thing as people think. I talked to Jim Chaney about this personally. He said Crompton was a 'yes' QB. If a coach asked him if he liked a play, "yes," was always his answer.
He contrasted this with Drew Breeze who would be very candid. "Coach, don't call that play, so in so f's up his block." "Too long to develop." Whatever.

When they figured this out they were able to get feedback from JC that helped them tailor the playbook to his strengths.
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Interesting info there
 
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BondJamesBond said:
I recall that Bates had a very high score in the SPARQ test, ranking among the nation's best. His measurables in camps showed tremendous athleticism. It surprised me at the time that his were so high given that Bill was more effort and hustle than physical talent.

To say he isn't a top notch athlete means you have no confidence in the camp evaluation, which is you prerogative. But most would consider top 12 nationally as an indication of athleticism.

He is a gifted athlete, and sought after by several good programs. That makes the performance issues more puzzling.
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He tested well, what does he look like on the field? Most kids at camps don’t know how to test so the prepped ones will perform better than more gifted athletes.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He tested well, what does he look like on the field? Most kids at camps don’t know how to test so the prepped ones will perform better than more gifted athletes.
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I dunno. Some said he wasn't athletic. Data says he was big, strong, fast, and agile. That sounds athletic to me.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I really think most of these guys have been hindered a lot by coaching. I’m not sure any of them would have turned out to be as dominant as we’d all hoped when they signed, but good coaching could have gotten a lot more out of these guys.
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I agree that most of these players lack development by an incompetent staff, but I also recognize the recruiting hyperbole on these recruiting sites as a problem. People are enamoured with rating systems and ridiculous articles and grow that into expectations that are totally unrealistic.

A lot of posters on here think that the talent we sign is as good as, or better than what other schools sign. I do think we sign decent talent but our program has to take these kids for what they are and refine and develop them.

Tennessee has a weakness for creating primadonnas that think they are better than they are because of the hype and publicity. In other programs a kid, regardless of what he has done on the past, has to go in and prove himself.

The recruiting hype train is sometimes the worst enemy of the kids and our program. I am happy to see that Pruitt is reigning some of that in with a strategy of less recruiting focus on publicity.
 
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VolTilWeFall98 said:
That's hilarious......considering I'm white myself, ha. So yea, I'm saying my opinion based off of racist assumptions. Smh. YOU are quite ridiculous. I base my opinion off of what I see and read, but thank ya tho.

Bates is 6'3 and 213lbs, while Sapp is a little more maneuverable at 6'1, 200lbs. From what MY eyes have shown me, Sapp seems a little more athletic than Bates. If you don't agree, then that's YOUR opinion.

And McDowell was lauded as being an all around athlete coming out of high school to UT - quote by his HS Coach from Locust Grove HS, Clint Satterfield - "he has the ability to turn a normal play into a gamebreaker at anytime. He plays Wildcat, WR, Slot, RB....wherever we can hide him."..........so, I base my opinion that McDowell is awfully athletic himself. So compared to Bates, MY opinion is what I've read and seen.

And my last point on ur racist crap, is that I said Bates had the "higher football IQ" due to his family roots, and his father playing in the NFL and all those kind of small details. NOT because he's white. Some ppl amaze me. Smh
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Take a deep breath dude, lol. Whether it was purposeful is irrelevant. Nobody is calling you racist. Bates is extremely athletic. At the SPARQ combine his rating (which specifically rates athleticism) was one of the highest in the country. That rated his speed, lateral quickness, and jumping abilities. As for is football IQ, I don't think he has played enough for fans to get an accurate assessment of his IQ. Very well could be really high. Don't know.
 
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