'19 GA OLB Roman Harrison (Tennessee signee)

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Caleb59seal said:
It’s not the same stuff as last year... there is stuff we are running now that Only about 3 or 4 teams in the country runs... the slight adjustment is just what body type do you want in those spots... whenever you watch us this year you will see those same OLB in a 3-4 bump up to a DE on the line... in a 4-2-5... what we line up in doesn’t really make the defense what it is... the defensive identity of a team comes from the techniques and scheme that it possesses...
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So different TYPES of players in different roles? Right...scheme change. :) If there’s no real vital difference, why do teams struggle in the TRANSITION to a 3-4?
 
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butchna said:
So different TYPES of players in different roles? Right...scheme change. :) If there’s no real vital difference, why do teams struggle in the TRANSITION to a 3-4?
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Lol trying hard to get Caleb into his scheme talk..... You dang instigator.... 🤔🤔
 
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KBVol said:
1. Yes he did. Gotta recruit and sign our share of the same players Bama and UGA and other top programs are recruiting if we expect to start competing with Bama and UGA again.

2. Love his measurables, they’re off the chart. So I’m not specifically saying this ain’t a kid we should sign. What I’m saying is on balance, in general, overall as a rule, we’ve gotta be on par with the Bamas and OSUs of the world talent/recruiting wise if we’re ever gonna compete with those guys on Saturdays.....and it was Jeremy himself who said it, and it’s somethimg we all know, no mystery there.

3. It sure looks like the highly rated players that Bama recruits and signs tend to be far less likely to be duds at the end of the day than the “diamond in the rough” players, the multitude of “under the radar” players that we’ve signed over the last several years. One certainly has to allow for Butch’s utter ineptness in developing his roster, since he was a guy who couldn’t do much of anything with 2 star or 5 star players ....but empirically speaking almost without fail, the best programs in the country year in and year out, decade in and decade out, are the ones at or very near the top of the recruiting class rankings with great consistency.

Final thought, with all that being said, only a fool wouldn’t give Pruitt and this staff some latitude in year one with who they’re bringing in, despite how high they may or may not be rated on 247 and Rivals. As I’ve said many, many times, Pruitt “knows what it looks like”...he knows what championship teams and players look like and what characteristics they have and don’t have. I’m definitely with him and I feel much, much better about him than I did about Jones.......but I’ll feel a little bit better, a little more confident when we’re landing top 3-5 classes rather than top 12-15 classes, which is where I think we end up this year.
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Not much to argue with you there... I'd just point out that Bama's 5* signees have tended to be 5* players. Going all the way back to Fulmer, UT seems to get more than its share of "Spotted apes" and LB's that end up leaving UT and can't even start for Chattanooga.
 
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UT has the personnel to run a 3-4. That was not true when Dooley brought Sunseri in. Are they ideal or can they be with S&C? I don't know. But UT has guys with the right measurables for that scheme in the front 7. DB could be a bigger question.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Yeah, see whichever recruiting guy it was that was quoted in this thread.... basically said he hadn't even heard of this kid until the beginning of June. Gave him an arbitrary ranking and couldn't bump it because it would mess up rankings across the board (or something). Then said he's going to go see him practice one day in August and give him a slight raise afterwards.

None of that gives much confidence into the reliability of rankings overall.

Bottom line is quality coaching staffs know what they're looking for, and do the best job at evaluating talent.

I mean think about it.... even well known recruits... you have Wanya and Darnell - big time recruits who have been on peoples radar years. You literally have 2-3 years of game film of kids. June 30th, it's Darnell as the #1 ranked OT and Wanya was 3rd or 4th. They go to a camp and DW has a bad day - then all of a sudden those 2-3 years of game film matter less and it's OMG Morris the best tackle in the nation!

A lot of times it feels like arrows move up or down to get clicks.

Rambling here but I'll just say I'm going to continue to give CJP and staff the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to. So if they want to give a 240lb kid with a 39" vertical and who can run a 4.6 a commitable offer, and he takes it, then I'm going to get excited.
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Suffice it to say recruiting is inexact. College coaches are publishing rankings on kids. Recruiting 'gurus' aren't qualified to be college coaches generally speaking. Summer camps and showcases are where kids get recruited. The stars follow the offers rather than the other way around.

A recruiting guru might be connected enough to talk to some college coaches and get a feel for where a kid ranks compared to another kid and college coaches might sneak a peek at recruiting service rankings. I believe player evaluation by college coaches is under valued and recruiting services are over valued for the most part.
 
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butchna said:
So different TYPES of players in different roles? Right...scheme change. :) If there’s no real vital difference, why do teams struggle in the TRANSITION to a 3-4?
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So the whole conversation started with Muschamp running a different scheme which he doesn’t he runs the same scheme that Saban ran at LSU... the whole debate about the 3-4 and 4-3 is way overrated...

Say you have a 4-3 team that plays in an under defensive front and you walk the Sam LB down... well now you are in the same defense that a traditional 3-4 team runs just have different body types but the same role... Wade phillips runs a 3-4 but he runs it as a single gap defense so he can have skinnier DL... whenever Belichick was at NY they ran a 4-3 but they double gapped having bigger linemen (like a 3-4) heck we will this year be in a 3-4 and single gap except one double gap player...

Regardless this year we will be in a 4-2 or a 3-3 the majority of the time because of all the 11 personnel we will see... you would be tieinf your kids hands behind their back if you ran a 3-4 against an 11 personnel team too much speed.. Saban use to run a 4-3 but he switched to a 3-4 (because of don capers and the flexibility it gives the defense)... the 4-3 is a consistent defense in that you aren’t gonna see a lot of crazy blitzes and unexpected blitzes like you would in a 3-4 (you will see twist’s and Tom games [DT’s twisting into both a gaps]) it just gives you more flexibility...

But just because you are in a 4-3 doesn’t mean you single gap and because you are in a 3-4 doesn’t mean you all double gap... you can have different body types doing the same thing and have the same body types doing different things... 3-4 and 4-3 differ I the angles you create with a OLB in a 9 tech verse a DE in a 3 tech... remember Derek Barnett in the A&M game running with their RB and deflecting the pass... he could be a 3-4 OLB all they will be asked to do is cover the flat and blitz and destroy blocks....

Whatever you have (3-4 or 4-3 or 4-2) you need to find out what the opponent runs the best (ISO, OZ, IZ, Sweep, etc.) and commit to stopping them and get them in uncomfortable situations...

The reason we and SC and Alabama and GA will be in the 4-2-5 the most is because of personnel...

This is why I like talking about football because it’s a chess match... It’s fun. 😉

Edit: sorry I didn’t realize how long that was...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
So the whole conversation started with Muschamp running a different scheme which he doesn’t he runs the same scheme that Saban ran at LSU... the whole debate about the 3-4 and 4-3 is way overrated...

Say you have a 4-3 team that plays in an under defensive front and you walk the Sam LB down... well now you are in the same defense that a traditional 3-4 team runs just have different body types but the same role... Wade phillips runs a 3-4 but he runs it as a single gap defense so he can have skinnier DL... whenever Belichick was at NY they ran a 4-3 but they double gapped having bigger linemen (like a 3-4) heck we will this year be in a 3-4 and single gap except one double gap player...

Regardless this year we will be in a 4-2 or a 3-3 the majority of the time because of all the 11 personnel we will see... you would be tieinf your kids hands behind their back if you ran a 3-4 against an 11 personnel team too much speed.. Saban use to run a 4-3 but he switched to a 3-4 (because of don capers and the flexibility it gives the defense)... the 4-3 is a consistent defense in that you aren’t gonna see a lot of crazy blitzes and unexpected blitzes like you would in a 3-4 (you will see twist’s and Tom games [DT’s twisting into both a gaps]) it just gives you more flexibility...

But just because you are in a 4-3 doesn’t mean you single gap and because you are in a 3-4 doesn’t mean you all double gap... you can have different body types doing the same thing and have the same body types doing different things... 3-4 and 4-3 differ I the angles you create with a OLB in a 9 tech verse a DE in a 3 tech... remember Derek Barnett in the A&M game running with their RB and deflecting the pass... he could be a 3-4 OLB all they will be asked to do is cover the flat and blitz and destroy blocks....

Whatever you have (3-4 or 4-3 or 4-2) you need to find out what the opponent runs the best (ISO, OZ, IZ, Sweep, etc.) and commit to stopping them and get them in uncomfortable situations...

The reason we and SC and Alabama and GA will be in the 4-2-5 the most is because of personnel...

This is why I like talking about football because it’s a chess match... It’s fun. 😉

Edit: sorry I didn’t realize how long that was...
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You just explained how a 3-4 and 4-3 aren’t very different by pointing out all of the differences??
 
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And this is the true value of a real football coach who understands the SEC, recruits defense in Georgia, and has a significant pedigree in finding and developing talent. Booooooooom! Welcome to Rocky Top!
 
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Caleb59seal said:
So the whole conversation started with Muschamp running a different scheme which he doesn’t he runs the same scheme that Saban ran at LSU... the whole debate about the 3-4 and 4-3 is way overrated...

Say you have a 4-3 team that plays in an under defensive front and you walk the Sam LB down... well now you are in the same defense that a traditional 3-4 team runs just have different body types but the same role... Wade phillips runs a 3-4 but he runs it as a single gap defense so he can have skinnier DL... whenever Belichick was at NY they ran a 4-3 but they double gapped having bigger linemen (like a 3-4) heck we will this year be in a 3-4 and single gap except one double gap player...

Regardless this year we will be in a 4-2 or a 3-3 the majority of the time because of all the 11 personnel we will see... you would be tieinf your kids hands behind their back if you ran a 3-4 against an 11 personnel team too much speed.. Saban use to run a 4-3 but he switched to a 3-4 (because of don capers and the flexibility it gives the defense)... the 4-3 is a consistent defense in that you aren’t gonna see a lot of crazy blitzes and unexpected blitzes like you would in a 3-4 (you will see twist’s and Tom games [DT’s twisting into both a gaps]) it just gives you more flexibility...

But just because you are in a 4-3 doesn’t mean you single gap and because you are in a 3-4 doesn’t mean you all double gap... you can have different body types doing the same thing and have the same body types doing different things... 3-4 and 4-3 differ I the angles you create with a OLB in a 9 tech verse a DE in a 3 tech... remember Derek Barnett in the A&M game running with their RB and deflecting the pass... he could be a 3-4 OLB all they will be asked to do is cover the flat and blitz and destroy blocks....

Whatever you have (3-4 or 4-3 or 4-2) you need to find out what the opponent runs the best (ISO, OZ, IZ, Sweep, etc.) and commit to stopping them and get them in uncomfortable situations...

The reason we and SC and Alabama and GA will be in the 4-2-5 the most is because of personnel...

This is why I like talking about football because it’s a chess match... It’s fun. 😉

Edit: sorry I didn’t realize how long that was...
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twss. Back on topic, that was a Dumb and Dumber level of word diarrhea! There are different types of players recruited for different schemes, SOME don’t fit one but thrive in the other. THAT is what got this conversation started, when a butthurt Cocker fan got snippety over us not committing suicide on their Joseph Anderson triumph. Derek Barnett did a few wrinkles from time to time, but that’s what they were...wrinkles. He’s an ideal 4-3 DE and he doesn’t get our all-time sack record in this new defense...because it’s DIFFERENT. If I need your high school coaching azz to break down the Veer or Wing-T, you’re at the top of the list. When I need someone to pontificate how the difference in our new defense and the old one is ANGLES? Wait by the phone and hold your breath to pass the time. :boredom:
 
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butchna said:
twss. Back on topic, that was a Dumb and Dumber level of word diarrhea! There are different types of players recruited for different schemes, SOME don’t fit one but thrive in the other. THAT is what got this conversation started, when a butthurt Cocker fan got snippety over us not committing suicide on their Joseph Anderson triumph. Derek Barnett did a few wrinkles from time to time, but that’s what they were...wrinkles. He’s an ideal 4-3 DE and he doesn’t get our all-time sack record in this new defense...because it’s DIFFERENT. If I need your high school coaching azz to break down the Veer or Wing-T, you’re at the top of the list. When I need someone to pontificate how the difference in our new defense and the old one is ANGLES? Wait by the phone and hold your breath to pass the time. :boredom:
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A 4-3 and a 4-2 can be the exact same defense...that’s like saying I am a Ace slot offense...
instead of saying we are a oustide zone team and run a lot of flood concepts... if we were going by that then I guess Coach pruitt would say... we are a 3-4, 3-3, 4-2, 4-3 defense... instead of saying we are a 1 high team that runs a lot of zone and man match principles, we also like to be aggressive so we run a lot of games up front...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
A 4-3 and a 4-2 can be the exact same defense...that’s like saying I am a Ace slot offense...
instead of saying we are a oustide zone team and run a lot of flood concepts... if we were going by that then I guess Coach pruitt would say... we are a 3-4, 3-3, 4-2, 4-3 defense... instead of saying we are a 1 high team that runs a lot of zone and man match principles, we also like to be aggressive so we run a lot of games up front...
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You’re getting yourself mixed up. I know the 4-3 and 4-2-5 are variations of the same scheme. The same as I know that the 4-2-5 we (and Muschamp) RAN...ain’t what we’re running NOW. We’re not running the same defense! They’re learning different responsibilities and that ain’t code for ANGLES. Go figure out the best scheme against the single wing and deprive your players of water until they learn the fight song...our coaches got dis! :eek:k:
 
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butchna said:
You’re getting yourself mixed up. I know the 4-3 and 4-2-5 are variations of the same scheme. The same as I know that the 4-2-5 we (and Muschamp) RAN...ain’t what we’re running NOW. We’re not running the same defense! They’re learning different responsibilities and that ain’t code for ANGLES. Go figure out the best scheme against the single wing and deprive your players of water until they learn the fight song...our coaches got dis! :eek:k:
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I will just leave this right here...


South Carolina Defense: Improved Enough to Slow Clemson? - Shakin The Southland

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War room said that the staff is extremely high on this kid’s potential. This isn’t a reach by them. They believe this kid has sky high potential. That’s exciting
 
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I am so confused. Should I boom? Is he worth the Boom? He's got great specs but he is a 3 star. I want to Boom but I just have so many saved up to use. SO much pressure I don't know what to do. Need counseling from our best counselor. Where's Chief when I need him. :)
 
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Orange Studs said:
I am so confused. Should I boom? Is he worth the Boom? He's got great specs but he is a 3 star. I want to Boom but I just have so many saved up to use. SO much pressure I don't know what to do. Need counseling from our best counselor. Where's Chief when I need him. :)
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Just boom. Better safe than sorry.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Shocking. They took a commitment from a player they think is going to be really good. Novel concept lol
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They don’t always have that type of comment. They are “sky high” on this kid comparing him to elite of the elite former players. This isn’t a depth guy as he’s been referred to as or like I thought he might be. They think he’s a sure fire stud
 
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