'20 GA QB Harrison Bailey (UT SIGNEE)

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bignewt said:
I don't know about getting screwed, we are talking about imaginary numbers created by guys in pleated dockers.
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Use whatever word fits best in your mind. Point is, people put to much stock into the star system rankings based on a writers opinion.
 
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From the above podcast talking about HB getting screwed by the rankings...

"I watched this kid up close and personal take a beating by Grayson because he was behind a mediocre offensive line. Still comes back in the second half and throws for over 370 yards, 5 touchdowns."

THAT is quite the feat, especially considering the competition.
 
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De La Cloobs said:
From the above podcast talking about HB getting screwed by the rankings...

"I watched this kid up close and personal take a beating by Grayson because he was behind a mediocre offensive line. Still comes back in the second half and throws for over 370 yards, 5 touchdowns."

THAT is quite the feat, especially considering the competition.
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Yeah I watched this last night. The first half was miserable as he had .5 seconds to do anything. Be he adjusted and made some incredible throws in the 2nd half to get them right back in it. He’s a player man. 7 on 7’s is one thing, but the game means more. Bailey knows how to win and play the QB position.
 
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Quite the irony on this subject. We spend countless hours talking about how it is impossible to win at an elite level without recruiting elite talent (per the service ratings...staaaaars!) and then countless hours debating whether the services can even correctly evaluate talent.

IMO it's a bit of both. The odds are very good that a 6'3" 245lb sub 4.5 guy will be a decent college player, so the services should have little trouble ranking some guys based strictly on athleticism and a cursory confirmation that the dude can identify the pointy ends of the football. Five stars are usually ranked that way because they have elite physical makeup and have demonstrated ability to match. It doesn't take a particularly gifted person to pick that guy out, so I don't think the service has shown much by doing so.

Then there are the guys who can play, but may not have the best measurables, or the guy with great measureables, but hasn't show that he can play. That's when it gets hard, and because it's hard, they will miss at times....both ways. They probably also will defer to the guys who actually have shown at aptitude at identifying talent...hence...if Kirby or Dabo or Saban like the guy, they pay attention. That isn't unreasonable and it doesn't invalidate their ability to tell you that Trevor Lawrence was likely to be good.

I really don't think it is as much of a conspiracy as it is hard to do well outside of the obvious ones. If Pruitt starts winning with kids that services didn't rank high, bet they will start adding his opinion to Saban's. Until then, relax.
 
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SSVol said:
Quite the irony on this subject. We spend countless hours talking about how it is impossible to win at an elite level without recruiting elite talent (per the service ratings...staaaaars!) and then countless hours debating whether the services can even correctly evaluate talent.

IMO it's a bit of both. The odds are very good that a 6'3" 245lb sub 4.5 guy will be a decent college player, so the services should have little trouble ranking some guys based strictly on athleticism and a cursory confirmation that the dude can identify the pointy ends of the football. Five stars are usually ranked that way because they have elite physical makeup and have demonstrated ability to match. It doesn't take a particularly gifted person to pick that guy out, so I don't think the service has shown much by doing so.

Then there are the guys who can play, but may not have the best measurables, or the guy with great measureables, but hasn't show that he can play. That's when it gets hard, and because it's hard, they will miss at times....both ways. They probably also will defer to the guys who actually have shown at aptitude at identifying talent...hence...if Kirby or Dabo or Saban like the guy, they pay attention. That isn't unreasonable and it doesn't invalidate their ability to tell you that Trevor Lawrence was likely to be good.

I really don't think it is as much of a conspiracy as it is hard to do well outside of the obvious ones. If Pruitt starts winning with kids that services didn't rank high, bet they will start adding his opinion to Saban's. Until then, relax.
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There are kids from terrible backgrounds, kids that can't afford to go to camps, kids who's HS programs are garbage that get overlooked every single year. These recruiting services (247, rivals) don't put in any real time actually finding and evaluating players. They base most of their evals off of bigger named schools, camps and 7v7 stuff. It always shows later on down the road when teams like Clemson takes a 17th 13th 11th ranked or whatever before this last cycle recruiting class and wins the NC or just some random team wins way more games than anyone thought they would because they took a bunch of 3 stars that no one knew who they were.

Its easy to pick out the cream of the crop every year because most of those kids have been on the radar since like 7th-8th grade and play at bigger schools. One of the reasons I don't put much, if any stock into the star ranking system from these guys. But every year we have huge group of fans who start with the whole "we had a top 5 class, TN is back baby or we only had the 12th rank class, we suck". Sure, its fun to be able to talk a little trach to a buddy whos not a TN fan about rankings because they don't keep up with it like a lot of us do in the RF.

But at the end of the day, it's still just a bunch of sports journalist ranking kids whom, for the most part have never played a single sport in their lives.
 
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So i know a guy who works for the GSGA as media and communications director, last year he was writing for Rival Notre Dame.... most of these guys who work for for the recruiting services are Journalists....the football knowledge they know is what they have learned as a writer. All they can lean are numbers...40 times, size.. It is why so many 5 star qbs end up being busta
 
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Who you play is key. A kid playing against cupcakes and putting up record numbers doesn’t make them better than a good qb playing against much tougher competition. Bailey is playing at an elite level against some of the best hs competition in the country. I expect him to come here and light it up.
 
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SSVol said:
Quite the irony on this subject. We spend countless hours talking about how it is impossible to win at an elite level without recruiting elite talent (per the service ratings...staaaaars!) and then countless hours debating whether the services can even correctly evaluate talent.

IMO it's a bit of both. The odds are very good that a 6'3" 245lb sub 4.5 guy will be a decent college player, so the services should have little trouble ranking some guys based strictly on athleticism and a cursory confirmation that the dude can identify the pointy ends of the football. Five stars are usually ranked that way because they have elite physical makeup and have demonstrated ability to match. It doesn't take a particularly gifted person to pick that guy out, so I don't think the service has shown much by doing so.

Then there are the guys who can play, but may not have the best measurables, or the guy with great measureables, but hasn't show that he can play. That's when it gets hard, and because it's hard, they will miss at times....both ways. They probably also will defer to the guys who actually have shown at aptitude at identifying talent...hence...if Kirby or Dabo or Saban like the guy, they pay attention. That isn't unreasonable and it doesn't invalidate their ability to tell you that Trevor Lawrence was likely to be good.

I really don't think it is as much of a conspiracy as it is hard to do well outside of the obvious ones. If Pruitt starts winning with kids that services didn't rank high, bet they will start adding his opinion to Saban's. Until then, relax.
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It’s the players that they grade elite UNTIL they commit to us that causes the blowback...perfectly calm.
 
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