'22 GA RB Justin Williams (Cal)

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With the new era of NIL, wonder how much of not getting the "big recruits" is on the staff vs. the 'money' people? If someone flashes 6 digits $$$ in front of a 18yr old kids, school, coaches, & culture no longer become the main hurdle for these athletes. What can you do for me know becomes the new norm.
My opinion anyway.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Heupel boat raced SC and Mizzou with a transfer QB, a JUCO RB, a WR that Jeremy Pruitt added on the last day, and 4/5 OL either playing out of Position or injured. If you're like me and think that the 2 most important group positions are OL and DL then KY had ALREADY passed us this year and we still beat them on the road. I think that JH knows that this staff isnt necessarily world beaters on the trail but it certainly beats Felton Shelton and that meathead Neidermayer coaching LBs that cant play.
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I'd rather that coach be developing top talent vs KY level recruiting classes.
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I agree with this, but to the previous poster’s point…

What do you have more faith in, Heupel recruiting picking up as players see the development / on-field product get better, or a Butch type getting better on-field results with talent?

Recruits want to win games and get drafted. We’ve sucked at both of those for a while. If Heupel can do that, the recruits will come. Stoops has done exactly this at KY.
 
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Vols410 said:
I agree with this, but to the previous poster’s point…

What do you have more faith in, Heupel recruiting picking up as players see the development / on-field product get better, or a Butch type getting better on-field results with talent?

Recruits want to win games and get drafted. We’ve sucked at both of those for a while. If Heupel can do that, the recruits will come. Stoops has done exactly this at KY.
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I have more faith that A will happen. But I also thought that our strong season would lead more players here. That doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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ALStateLineVol said:
With the new era of NIL, wonder how much of not getting the "big recruits" is on the staff vs. the 'money' people? If someone flashes 6 digits $$$ in front of a 18yr old kids, school, coaches, & culture no longer become the main hurdle for these athletes. What can you do for me know becomes the new norm.
My opinion anyway.
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This is nothing new. Condredge flew to Knoxville from Alabama but drove himself to campus in his new car. We've always played the game.... we're just getting beat at it right now.
 
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Tennessee has to claw and scratch for every measly recruit while our competitors are cherry picking 4 & 5 stars. What gives here?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I think two bad classes in a row plus losing portal players have badly impacted our roster. I think Ky, SC, and Mizzou are catching up with us in talent and we are getting further behind the top teams in the SEC. They can begin to change that in ‘23, but it’s naive to not see what’s happening here as a warning sign
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Heupel did steam roll both Mizzou and SCar with probably the worst roster we’ve ever had. One thing I’m not worried about with this staff is scheme and development.

I agree with you that if we want to compete for championships then recruiting must pick up. We’re just not there yet as a program to expect to recruit that way yet. I know we’ve been down the road before of all the obstacles facing Heupel like NCAA cloud, behind the 8 ball relationship wise, etc. As tiring as those are, they’re still all true and have affected this class greatly.

I think we can really judge what kind of recruiters we have with the ‘23 class. I have a feeling we will make a big jump and I think you’re seeing that already with the GA TE commit.
 
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lilesrt said:
Tennessee has to claw and scratch for every measly recruit while our competitors are cherry picking 4 & 5 stars. What gives here?
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There isnt one of these kids that has seen UT win a conference championship. Havent seen us play for once since they were 4 years old. Thats pretty much it.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
This is nothing new. Condredge flew to Knoxville from Alabama but drove himself to campus in his new car. We've always played the game.... we're just getting beat at it right now.
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But now kids will be able to "flaunt" the money and what they got. I know it has always been done in the past but now is a totally different element. I could easily be wrong and probably am, but I think this changes the entire dynamic of how recruiting will be done going forward for the "5*" recruits. A HS kid can come in and be a millionaire by the time they leave college and openly brag about it, it's not about coaching or development anymore. Who has the deepest pockets and best resources.
JMO
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I have more faith that A will happen. But I also thought that our strong season would lead more players here. That doesn't seem to be the case.
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We had a lot more working against us than we did working for us. The NCAA cloud, being behind on NIL, a first-year staff used to recruiting at a lower tier so they have very little relationship with higher tier recruits, our history the past 10-15 years... There is a lot that needs fixing. Too much to really overcome this cycle. Hopefully we see improvement next cycle. All Heupel can really do is continue to succeed on the field. Our money guys need to catch up and compete on NIL, and DW needs to push to get the NCAA issues all squared away. If these things happen and we continue to struggle in recruiting, then we might have cause for concern. Right now, we just roll with the punches.
 
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onevol74 said:
Neither them nor their Daddy has seen UGA win a NC.
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No but theyve seen them play in Atlanta 6 times since the last time we did, 7 if you count the NC game. Plus the tastemakers at CBS and ESPN have decided that theyre the "cool school" now. Once you get the ball rolling it makes it a lot easier to stay on top.
 
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