'19 GA S Jaylen McCollough (Tennessee signee)

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Tidal Surge said:
Blueshirting is impossible with the 25 signings per academic year limit, effective for the 2018 recruiting cycle. Grayshirting can still be done.
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I just read that. I didn't realize that had been changed for the upcoming signing classes.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Blueshirting is impossible with the 25 signings per academic year limit, effective for the 2018 recruiting cycle. Grayshirting can still be done.
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We had 23 eventual signees, due to Shaquille Wiggins and Princeton Fant blueshirting from the previous class. Adding three additional graduate transfers in Keller Chryst, Madre London and Brandon Kennedy shows that there is some mechanism in place to count towards the following class.
 
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butchna said:
We had 23 eventual signees, due to Shaquille Wiggins and Princeton Fant blueshirting from the previous class. Adding three additional graduate transfers in Keller Chryst, Madre London and Brandon Kennedy shows that there is some mechanism in place to count towards the following class.
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Yes grey shirts lol thats what TS is saying.
 
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reVOLution33 said:
Yes grey shirts lol thats what TS is saying.
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That's not how grey shirts work. But what TS said has a little of the answer in it. You can only sign 25 in a year, so there may be a way to get to 25 but not go over it. Maybe they changed the name to purple shirt. Or blue shorts or something. But there is obviously a way to do it since we just did. And the concept is still the same. You are still borrowing against the future and we will eventually have to sign a smaller class to make up for it.
 
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Sleegro said:
That's not how grey shirts work. But what TS said has a little of the answer in it. You can only sign 25 in a year, so there may be a way to get to 25 but not go over it. Maybe they changed the name to purple shirt. Or blue shorts or something. But there is obviously a way to do it since we just did. And the concept is still the same. You are still borrowing against the future and we will eventually have to sign a smaller class to make up for it.
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Can I ask why you would have to eventually do that? Why not just keep borrowing? As long as you have the normal attrition to keep you under the 85 there is no rule against it.
 
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bignewt said:
Can I ask why you would have to eventually do that? Why not just keep borrowing? As long as you have the normal attrition to keep you under the 85 there is no rule against it.
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Because a man should always pay back his debts. I don't know but we'll probably have to take a small class eventually whether it's because of this or the 85 limit. Do you know for a fact there's no rule against it or are you assuming like the rest of us.
 
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RockyTopTexas said:
Been patiently waiting for McCollough... he’s been my guy in this class for a while now.. really starting to think we are moving on but I hope I’m wrong on that.
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With Abernathy and Kelly leaving after this season UT seems like an ideal fit for McCollough. I figured this one would have been a done deal by now as well.
 
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Sleegro said:
Because a man should always pay back his debts. I don't know but we'll probably have to take a small class eventually whether it's because of this or the 85 limit. Do you know for a fact there's no rule against it or are you assuming like the rest of us.
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I am assuming but I have never heard of a rule where you can't count forward after some arbitrary number of years.
 
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bignewt said:
I am assuming but I have never heard of a rule where you can't count forward after some arbitrary number of years.
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One thing that just crossed my mind in the other numbers thread (Taulia) after reading TS post the same thing over there along with the actual rule, was that we don't know if we have to take away last years numbers. We assumed we did, but in the rule there is nothing that says we had to. Maybe the new rule is just 25 max every year and that's how we got to 25 this year. We didn't have to count forward counters from last year and we don't have to count any forward from this year. Just a thought, and I've been on Butchna's side with numbers the whole time, but I also haven't seen any confirmation on anything. And reporters don't seem to know how it works either.
 
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Sleegro said:
One thing that just crossed my mind in the other numbers thread (Taulia) after reading TS post the same thing over there along with the actual rule, was that we don't know if we have to take away last years numbers. We assumed we did, but in the rule there is nothing that says we had to. Maybe the new rule is just 25 max every year and that's how we got to 25 this year. We didn't have to count forward counters from last year and we don't have to count any forward from this year. Just a thought, and I've been on Butchna's side with numbers the whole time, but I also haven't seen any confirmation on anything. And reporters don't seem to know how it works either.
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Nobody does and therein lies the fun I guess especially when posters are so adamant that they know.
 
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bignewt said:
I am assuming but I have never heard of a rule where you can't count forward after some arbitrary number of years.
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Vols class of 2054 has run out of all color shirts to borrow from... even the steel shirt (which obviously allows mechanical-Americans of all five gender indentifiers to transfer equivalently)...and ends up with a class of 0
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
Vols class of 2054 has run out of all color shirts to borrow from... even the steel shirt (which obviously allows mechanical-Americans of all five gender indentifiers to transfer equivalently)...and ends up with a class of 0
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What about the blue steel shirt?

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bignewt said:
Can I ask why you would have to eventually do that? Why not just keep borrowing? As long as you have the normal attrition to keep you under the 85 there is no rule against it.
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Because if/when it gets messed up we lose 2 scholarships for every 1 we are over.
 
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butchna said:
We had 23 eventual signees, due to Shaquille Wiggins and Princeton Fant blueshirting from the previous class. Adding three additional graduate transfers in Keller Chryst, Madre London and Brandon Kennedy shows that there is some mechanism in place to count towards the following class.
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Exactly. I guess I don't understand the whole blueshirt rule. W.Va and NC St just added guys to their '19 class but using Blueshirt's that count towards the '20 class. So there's some kind of way to use them.
 
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LouderVol said:
Because if/when it gets messed up we lose 2 scholarships for every 1 we are over.
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and how would it get messed up? we pay people a lot of money for that not to happen. It seems to me you could pay forward 3 scholarships to the next year indefinitely.
 
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Chryst, London and Kennedy qualify as initial counters under the NCAA's midyear graduate replacement rule. They can count back against the 85 and forward-count against the 25 in 2019. UT had room in the 85 to do that.

They can't be grayshirts-- they enrolled this summer and are playing this year. And the blueshirt loophole was closed. They wouldn't have been eligible to blueshirt anyway.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Exactly. I guess I don't understand the whole blueshirt rule. W.Va and NC St just added guys to their '19 class but using Blueshirt's that count towards the '20 class. So there's some kind of way to use them.
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Yeah I read that article too and the director of player personnel at WVU is quoted as saying a couple weeks ago that they blueshirted 2 players. I would assume he knows the rules more than any of us or the reporters being that is his job. So I'm inclined to believe blue shirting is still a loophole. But as he pointed out, the only way to do it is by not officially recruiting them and signing them so they just enroll in the fall and play. So you are unlikely to get many quality players that way since normally those get recruited. So that is where the rub comes in. Yes we did it last year and got lucky with a couple quality guys, but if we do it again, we're probably not able to sign all these guys we're talking about now since they are being recruited. The way we get to 25 this year is sign 4 or 5 of the highly rated guys left on the board then fill it out with lightly recruited "scrubs" after NSD that a lot of posters will whine about. That is why this numbers discussion is relevant. People who complain it gets brought up are just saying "oh we'll sign 7 more highly rated guys by borrowing from next year". But that's not what will happen. We have 4 or 5 more spots for guys we're recruiting now. Then can fill the class with diamonds in the rough people like to hate on.
 
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bignewt said:
and how would it get messed up? we pay people a lot of money for that not to happen. It seems to me you could pay forward 3 scholarships to the next year indefinitely.
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It is the NCAA we're talking about. We've all seen how they don't seem to follow their own rules or common sense.
 
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bignewt said:
and how would it get messed up? we pay people a lot of money for that not to happen. It seems to me you could pay forward 3 scholarships to the next year indefinitely.
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Yea there's people who make sure those number's don't get messed up. With the way Numbers are now in recruiting you can't afford to mess that up. It sux to have to pull from the next class, but once he gets his type Players in we shouldn't have to do that much. Butch left JP a few scholly's short because of that in the '18 class. I keep seeing posts that you can blueshirt but I've posted articles that teams are doing in the '19 and '20 class. So there's got to be some way to do it.
 
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