'24 GA WR Mike Matthews (Tennessee)

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sjt18 said:
Honestly. I think JG was somewhat unique in that regard. Some claim he didn't get "coaching". Who has ever gotten more? Maybe Heupel would have had the magic potion JG needed... but I suspect he would have been beaten out.
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JG had 0 pocket awareness and continually made the wrong reads. I think he would’ve been a disaster in Heupel’s system.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
JG had 0 pocket awareness and continually made the wrong reads. I think he would’ve been a disaster in Heupel’s system.
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I don’t have an exact stat on this…but I swear I’ve never seen a QB throw more red zone picks than JG…all you have to do is NOT throw a pick and we get at least 3pts…and yet he was just as likely to force it over the middle right to a LB he didn’t see instead of just throwing it away
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
JG had 0 pocket awareness and continually made the wrong reads. I think he would’ve been a disaster in Heupel’s system.
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PAW! Glad to see you posting.

JG may very well have been a disaster, but I was adamantly opposed to Joe Milton ever stepping foot on our campus too. Now I am psyched as all get out to watch Bazooka Joe destroy offenses under CJH. Who knows what JG could have done with stability and competency in the coaching staff.
 
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Glitch said:
PAW! Glad to see you posting.

JG may very well have been a disaster, but I was adamantly opposed to Joe Milton ever stepping foot on our campus too. Now I am psyched as all get out to watch Bazooka Joe destroy offenses under CJH. Who knows what JG could have done with stability and competency in the coaching staff.
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I’m optimistic about Joe, I’d just like to see him use his freak size/ability and run over folks. To my untrained eye, he looks unsure of himself running sometimes. Like bro, you are huge and athletic af, lay him out!
 
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thunder5 said:
I don’t have an exact stat on this…but I swear I’ve never seen a QB throw more red zone picks than JG…all you have to do is NOT throw a pick and we get at least 3pts…and yet he was just as likely to force it over the middle right to a LB he didn’t see instead of just throwing it away
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Will Levis says "hello"
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
I’m optimistic about Joe, I’d just like to see him use his freak size/ability and run over folks. To my untrained eye, he looks unsure of himself running sometimes. Like bro, you are huge and athletic af, lay him out!
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I noticed that in year 1. Last year seemed a lot different, he was putting his head down and delivering the hit.
 
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sjt18 said:
Pure and utter BS. I believe he had 3 or 4 QB coaches with success elsewhere with other QBs. He had a private QB coach while he was at UT. He went to Manning Academy. He had a couple of OC's with at least some success elsewhere. Few players have gotten more focused position coaching than JG.

I don't hate him and never did. I feel bad that he put in that much effort but couldn't get it right between his ears. There was something in his head that didn't click... and very little of it had to do with coaching. There just seemed to be something lacking in his ability to process and anticipate.

I'm not making the mistake of believing players cannot improve. That's you trying to build a straw man. Some can a lot. Most can some. A few don't improve much.

He improved physically. He put a ton of effort into the mental side. He improved some things but he had critical flaws that plagued him from the time he stepped on the field until he left.
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JG was a head case. Physical tools were there. He did well in practices. When the lights came on, he seemed to not think as quickly, get tunnel vision, and force situations. He didn’t help himself with his attitude, but he wasn’t a bad guy. He actually had a hard time letting mistakes go. As a leader, he tried to put the team on his shoulders, but in order to do that, you have to have a short memory. JG tended to compound mistakes.
 
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EdEcEko77 said:
Heupel can’t recruit, per ucf fans, but if Matthews were to commit then in three years, Heupel would have landed the third (Nico) and 8th (Matthews) highest rated, by composite, recruits in our history.

I realize these rankings have only been around 15 or so years - but still….
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Matthews would be the highest rated wr commit iirc
 
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jtipto10 said:
Devils advocate:

Even 2021 heupel thought Joe Milton was the better choice over Hooker. The man is a great coach, not infallible. But JG probably would have had his talents maximized under heupel
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In practice Joe was the better player, but Hendon was a gamer. So technically he did choose right
 
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TheMagnificantOne said:
In practice Joe was the better player, but Hendon was a gamer. So technically he did choose right
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I just don’t see how they could’ve thought Milton was better unless the pass rush was virtually non existent. Even if he’s perfect on his deep balls he doesn’t process things a quickly as Hooker did and isn’t as decisive. He at least wasn’t against Vanderbilt and Clemson. I personally think the Ole Miss game is still stuck in his head and he’s not as quick to take off and make a 5-6 yard run and waits just a little too long for someone to get open down field. I hope we call a lot of designed runs for him early and often this season to get him in the rhythm of running. He seemed very hesitant to do so against Vandy and Clemson when the first couple of reads weren’t there. He would scramble laterally just behind the LOS instead of getting down field and taking what the defense gave him. With a new OL this year he’s going to have to improvise more like Hooker did
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
I just don’t see how they could’ve thought Milton was better unless the pass rush was virtually non existent. Even if he’s perfect on his deep balls he doesn’t process things a quickly as Hooker did and isn’t as decisive. He at least wasn’t against Vanderbilt and Clemson. I personally think the Ole Miss game is still stuck in his head and he’s not as quick to take off and make a 5-6 yard run and waits just a little too long for someone to get open down field. I hope we call a lot of designed runs for him early and often this season to get him in the rhythm of running. He seemed very hesitant to do so against Vandy and Clemson when the first couple of reads weren’t there. He would scramble laterally just behind the LOS instead of getting down field and taking what the defense gave him. With a new OL this year he’s going to have to improvise more like Hooker did
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Well you didn’t see practice every single day like Josh Heupel, architect of the #1 offense in the country, did.

It’s also hilarious you think you know what’s in Milton’s head.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
We didn’t see him a lot last yr and I may be wrong, but in the Clemson game, I swear I remember seeing some year 1 “unsure” runs from him.
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I think he was on a short leash when it came to running in both the Vandy and Clemson games due to the QB situation.

I expect this year will be different with the leash off by the Florida game and Nico having some in game experience under his belt.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
I’m optimistic about Joe, I’d just like to see him use his freak size/ability and run over folks. To my untrained eye, he looks unsure of himself running sometimes. Like bro, you are huge and athletic af, lay him out!
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He did that a bit more last year than in 21. I agree. Joe is a beast. Just lay the 5'10" 190 lb corner on his azz!
 
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MarcoVol said:
Well you didn’t see practice every single day like Josh Heupel, architect of the #1 offense in the country, did.

It’s also hilarious you think you know what’s in Milton’s head.
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One doesn’t have to be Bill Walsh or Andy Reid to see that Joe doesn’t have the same willingness to take off and run as the starter last year that he did in 2021. It’s been noted that he’s a perfectionist in his approach to the game, and for someone like that it’s not a stretch to say that him running out of bounds to end a game could cause him to second guess himself at times. He scrambles to allow receivers downfield get open rather than scramble to gain yards like he did previously. Which is great, but there were multiple times in both the Vandy and Clemson games where he could’ve ran for first downs, but instead he ran laterally and took a sack or forced a bad throw to a covered WR and one was maybe 3 yards last the LOS and was nearly picked. He’s not a good decision maker or deep ball passer when he’s under pressure. Which is why I said for him to look like the better QB the pass rush must’ve been non existent. People are hyped up about him after the orange bowl, but he played bad for nearly half that game and that was nullified by a few great plays. His upside is otherworldly, but his consistency isn’t even remotely close to Hooker
 
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