Gaby Sanchez Won My Rookie of The Year Vote Tonight.

#51
#51
So you cheer for the two monsters to beat up a little 5'8" 160lbs guy?

I like what Morgan did, I like that he ran over their catcher, he should have gotten out of the way. They hit him with a pitch, he steals two bags and scores on a sac fly, loved it.

I wished he would have landed that punch on Volstad.
Why am I not surprised someone of your intellect thinks playing tough guy and running into an out by colliding with a catcher is a better idea than sliding and being safe, which he would have easily been? All he did was cost his team the go ahead run in extra innings. That's just brilliant baseball. I can't imagine why contenders weren't clamoring to sign such a bright player at the deadline.
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#53
#53
Not sure if you know much about the game or watched the events unfold in this situation. I have no problems with the Marlins hitting him. It's part of the game.

As far as Morgan stealing bases down 14-3. That's 100% busch league. Your single run means absolutely nothing when your down 11 so stealing 2nd and 3rd accomplishes exactly nothing. Also, if you paid attention you would see that Morgan completely slides over and through both bases almost looking to make some sort of contact. He's busch and deserved what he got.

You play to win the game...hello!

You can say it is bull but to me, he got his team a run all on his own...it's not over 'till it's over.

Not sure why people have a problem with him running just cause they were down by so much. I have a problem with them throwing at him because they can't throw him out.
 
#54
#54
Why am I not surprised someone of your intellect thinks playing tough guy and running into an out by colliding with a catcher is a better idea than sliding and being safe, which he would have easily been? All he did was cost his team the go ahead run in extra innings. That's just brilliant baseball. I can't imagine why contenders weren't clamoring to sign such a bright player at the deadline.
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Playing tough guy? He did more than that, he charged a guy twice his size without any fear, if he was playing he did a hell of a job.

I'm not saying what he did was smart but everyone wants to hold that catchers hand and act like he is a baby, he is a grown man, playing a grown mans sport.

He took the "punishment" for running over the catcher with the first HBP, he put his head down and went to first.

It should have ended then, instead they throw at him again.

Volstad is just as much at fault for what happened last night as Morgan.
 
#55
#55
I've only heard that it's poor taste to run when you're up.

Like I said, you put me on and I'm going to run on you. it was 14-3 in the FOURTH. As we saw, they ended up scoring 10+ runs. I have no problem with the SB.
 
#56
#56
I've only heard that it's poor taste to run when you're up.

Like I said, you put me on and I'm going to run on you. it was 14-3 in the FOURTH. As we saw, they ended up scoring 10+ runs. I have no problem with the SB.

Nor do I...even though he more than likely did it out of spite, at least he was out there still playing.
 
#57
#57
Indirect comment...just look at everyone else's opinion.

The consensus is that he got what he deserved, to the point that people think that a guy twice his size blindsiding him trying to defend the monster that is Volstad is not only acceptable but applauded.

Got it. I didn't realize there were weight classes when it came to having a teammates back.

It's funny you are defending a guy whose own coach has called him out in recent weeks for his actions on the field.
 
#58
#58
Back when the game was played properly, those shots would have been coming in above neck level.
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Reminds me of one of my all time favorite quotes....

"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch."

- Ty Cobb
 
#59
#59
You play to win the game...hello!
Yeah, running into an out at the plate by trying to show how bad you are instead of sliding and scoring the go ahead run in extra innings is the epitome of winning baseball. His stolen bases didn't have the first damn thing to do with getting his team back in the game. It had everything to do with that piece of garbage continuing his 2010 "Look At Me!" tour. It's times like this I really miss Billy Martin. He'd have his entire staff under a shoot to kill order until someone really gave Morgan what he deserved.
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#60
#60
Got it. I didn't realize there were weight classes when it came to having a teammates back.

It's funny you are defending a guy whose own coach has called him out in recent weeks for his actions on the field.

Don't see what the big deal about running over a catcher who is blocking the plate or stealing a few bags in what was a blowout.

His coach was defending him last night.

The only part of the night that bothered me from Morgan, was him playing to the crowd, that must be the hockey player in him.

Volstad needed help apparently, he stood with his hands by his side while Morgan charged him, lucky that punch didn't land.

In watching t over and over again, it kinda looks like Sanchez was just trying to stop him but got a bad angle and ended up with the clothesline. Who knows.

Either way, Morgan had a little too much bravado last night but running over the catcher and stealing bags in a losing effort is straight by me.
 
#61
#61
Yeah, running into an out at the plate by trying to show how bad you are instead of sliding and scoring the go ahead run in extra innings is the epitome of winning baseball. His stolen bases didn't have the first damn thing to do with getting his team back in the game. It had everything to do with that piece of garbage continuing his 2010 "Look At Me!" tour. It's times like this I really miss Billy Martin. He'd have his entire staff under a shoot to kill order until someone really gave Morgan what he deserved.
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Whether it was justified or not ( slide or no slide ) it was fair game.

Like I said, I didn't say it was a smart play, just that it was fair game.
 
#62
#62
And why is it ok to try and hurt a guy by throwing 95 mph heaters at his head but not ok to run over the catcher at the plate?

Whether you agree with how he went about it, or you think that he could have been safe if he would have slid...regardless of that, it is part of baseball. Just ask Ray Fosse.
 
#65
#65
Throwing at him in retaliation for running over the catcher was absolutely the right thng to do. Plunking him the second time was stupid no matter how big a jerk he is.
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#66
#66
Throwing at him in retaliation for running over the catcher was absolutely he right thng to do. Plunking him the second time was stupid no matter how big a jerk he is.
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Point I have been trying to make.

He knew he was going to get hit the first time, he took it. The second time was garbage, you don't like him running on you, hold him on base or throw him out.
 
#67
#67
Throwing at him in retaliation for running over the catcher was absolutely the right thng to do. Plunking him the second time was stupid no matter how big a jerk he is.
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For the 8,000,000th time, he didn't get hit twice.
 
#70
#70
...because throwing behnd a guy is much classier.
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I agree. The fact the second one wasn't directly at his right eye indicates to me Marlins fans should hope the rumors of Ozzie coming home to manage them next year are true. His teams have never had a problem getting their message across.
 
#71
#71
I agree. The fact the second one wasn't directly at his right eye indicates to me Marlins fans should hope the rumors of Ozzie coming home to manage them next year are true. His teams have never had a problem getting their message across.

You must be a prosecutor. That is absurd man, stealing two bases is worthy of taking a fastball to the head?
 
#72
#72
You must be a prosecutor. That is absurd man, stealing two bases is worthy of taking a fastball to the head?
I'll simply borrow your theory about Morgan running over catchers. He needs to get out of the way of pitches thrown at him. See how simple that is?
 
#73
#73
I was more impressed by Listache going to battle for his boys. The clothes line by Sanchez was pretty sweet though.
 
#75
#75
Isn't it still a violation of the rules for a catcher to be blocking the basepath if he doesn't have the ball in his possession or is in the process of getting to a throw? It's funny because I don't think the rule has ever actually been changed, and I have yet to see any pre-1965 video that has a home plate collision or a catcher in the basepath. A lot of close plays from the catcher getting the ball and then trying to apply the tag, but not standing there and waiting.

Anyway, all this crap about "defending a teammate" is a bunch of ridiculous pseudo-machismo. Let's consider the following:
1) A pitch that hits a batter can inflict a debilitating or fatal injury, whether thrown intentionally at him or not
2) That baseball allows players to leave the dugout or bullpen when an incident is in progress is a sure way to escalate nothing into something much worse
3) That baseball has no problem allowing additional players to become directly involved in said incident is ridiculous on several levels
4) That this crap is what masquerades as "team building" is even more ridiculous
5) In spite of what some may have us believe, the numbers of hit batsmen actually skyrocketed post-1970, which flies in the face of the idea that "Gibson would have put him down; in fact, anyone would have put him down for pulling on his jersey or for looking at him or for adjusting your nuts in the batters box".

I played hockey for a few years, so the idea of throwing down with someone who's being an idiot is certainly not a foreign concept to me. But what you don't see are players shooting pucks at each other. You don't see players leaving the bench when there's a fight (the NHL has a mandatory 10-game suspension for doing this, whether you actually join in or not). You don't see players jumping in on a fight in progress (third man in equals immediate ejection and a suspension). And you don't see bench-clearing brawls (last one in the NHL: February 26, 1987).

Baseball needs to get their collective heads out of their asses. There are some very minor rule adjustments and enforcements that need to take place to preserve the basic essence of the game. Namely:
- Don't let hitters step out of the box once their at-bat starts
- Don't let hitters call for time once the at-bat starts (barring an emergency of some type)
- Mandate that any player who leaves the dugout or bullpen during an on-field altercation be suspended for 12 games, with the team not being allowed to replace his roster spot
- Mandate that a player who joins an altercation in progress be suspended 12 games (if someone leaves the bullpen to join in, 24 games)

Games would be faster, and the stupid crap like throwing at a guy's head and seeing the benches empty would go away. Neither one has any purpose in baseball.
 

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