Game Thread: (13/10) Lady Vols 66 - Vanderbilt 52

#426
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Voluble2 said:
Part of the problem is how they feed Tamari.

If the ball comes in low the smaller players simply collapse on her and take it before she can get it up.

You have to feed her high, and then she has to keep it high.

Another problem is getting her base set when she receives the ball. That can't always be done, but taking a dribble to realign just isn't possible most of the time so you have to have your move ready, and your feet set properly for it before you receive the ball....
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rewatch the feeds!
She receives the ball high and immediately brings it down,t o power up.
this has cost her a ton of open shots.
I coach bigs. And the first thing I teach them is to never bring the ball down when you receive it high and are within a push-shot of the hoop. There is simply no need for a big to bring the ball down and I saw it repeatedly.
TK releases her jump-hook with two hands,,,,,grrrr

For the improvement she has had and the distance she COULD have covered,,,I'm only marginally impressed
 
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Coach Jumper said:
rewatch the feeds!
She receives the ball high and immediately brings it down,t o power up.
this has cost her a ton of open shots.
I coach bigs. And the first thing I teach them is to never bring the ball down when you receive it high and are within a push-shot of the hoop. There is simply no need for a big to bring the ball down and I saw it repeatedly.
TK releases her jump-hook with two hands,,,,,grrrr

For the improvement she has had and the distance she COULD have covered,,,I'm only marginally impressed
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So many bigs either bring the ball down or they feel the need to power dribble before shooting. Both moves allow the munchkins time to swarm.
 
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UT Challenger said:
Key could make it easier on herself if she would take that 12 to 15ft shot around the foul line. She is a pretty good free throw shooter. Basically the same shot for her. She posts up to deep in the paint and everyone has scouted that. No room to move once she does get a post pass.
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right,,,an elbow jumper is nothing more than an angled free throw
 
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brassie said:
So many bigs either bring the ball down or they feel the need to power dribble before shooting. Both moves allow the munchkins time to swarm.
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and THIS is where she got into almost every one of her troubles,,,I understand the kind where she receives a pass or rebound low,,,but when it is high, keep it high
 
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Coach Jumper said:
rewatch the feeds!
She receives the ball high and immediately brings it down,t o power up.
this has cost her a ton of open shots.
I coach bigs. And the first thing I teach them is to never bring the ball down when you receive it high and are within a push-shot of the hoop. There is simply no need for a big to bring the ball down and I saw it repeatedly.
TK releases her jump-hook with two hands,,,,,grrrr

For the improvement she has had and the distance she COULD have covered,,,I'm only marginally impressed
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Well said! It makes me wonder if it is more on her for not following feedback from the coaching staff or on the coaches for not consistently drilling this in her head and body?
 
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LV renaissance said:
Well said! It makes me wonder if it is more on her for not following feedback from the coaching staff or on the coaches for not consistently drilling this in her head and body?
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It is not a simple fix. We are talking about a whole cascade of kinesthetic issues, How good is TK at maintaining balance when bumped from behind and below? Can she get into position for a shot or other move without lowering the ball (which again comes down strength balance and coordination). Just writing keep the ball up high on her palm is not going to do the job. A lot of bigs have this same tendency.
 
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I've always asked why TK hasn't developed a little more of a mid-range game and taken a few shots in those areas. She has only taken 490 field goal attempts in 83 games played which is barley over five shot attempts per game. A Player her size should get more, but when all you can do is post teams can take that away from a team and many choose to do that. The truth is she is much the same player she was as a sophomore on offense while improving defensively.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I've always asked why TK hasn't developed a little more of a mid-range game and taken a few shots in those areas. She has only taken 490 field goal attempts in 83 games played which is barley over five shot attempts per game. A Player her size should get more, but when all you can do is post teams can take that away from a team and many choose to do that. The truth is she is much the same player she was as a sophomore on offense while improving defensively.
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Good Post Volfan2012: Remember i talked about she needs to improve on the offensive end but was taken behind the woodshed by some. Thank You for the post well said,
 
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I agree that bad habits need to be replaced, and to replace some habits mid-season is highly improbable because of the number of repetitions it usually takes to replace one habit with another. With two games a week and at least one off day mandated, the actual number of NCAA-allowed practice hours is pretty low. If both of those weekly games are road games with extra-long flights, the amount of time the team is on campus to be able to get a lot of practice time in is even less.

Now, if the only thing a player was allowed to do until they replace the old habit was to do repetition after repetition after repetition after repetition after repetition of the new movement, then maybe it could get done during the season. But the reality is that a player who is a centerpiece of the team can't be cut loose for weeks to only work on their own game. They HAVE to be there working with everyone else. And during the season while travel takes so much of their time, the players don't have a lot of free time to go to the gym after hours every day because they are usually having to do doubletime catching up on classwork. Those papers don't write themselves.

Anyway, the bottom line is bad habits need to replaced through repetition in the offseason and during whatever breaks from classwork they get.

P.S. Once a bad physical habit has taken hold and been done for a long time, it's very hard to break. The number of repetitions it takes to truly break it is crazy high. The problem many athletes have is that when they get tired or in a stress panic they unconsciously revert to their old bad habits. The coaches can only show them the correct movements and hope that, over time, it sinks in. Intensive Visualization of doing the proper movements IS something even busy students can do throughout the day, so that's so ething the staff could encourage.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
to erase a habit you have to replace it...it has not been replaced
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I think that it is a really bad habit to break. I remember Tina Charles, a pretty fair post player, taking a couple of years before she finally got it. What I don't understand is how come those habits aren't coached out of a player before they get to this level.
 
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lvocd said:
I agree that bad habits need to be replaced, and to replace some habits mid-season is highly improbable because of the number of repetitions it usually takes to replace one habit with another. With two games a week and at least one off day mandated, the actual number of NCAA-allowed practice hours is pretty low. If both of those weekly games are road games with extra-long flights, the amount of time the team is on campus to be able to get a lot of practice time in is even less.

Now, if the only thing a player was allowed to do until they replace the old habit was to do repetition after repetition after repetition after repetition after repetition of the new movement, then maybe it could get done during the season. But the reality is that a player who is a centerpiece of the team can't be cut loose for weeks to only work on their own game. They HAVE to be there working with everyone else. And during the season while travel takes so much of their time, the players don't have a lot of free time to go to the gym after hours every day because they are usually having to do doubletime catching up on classwork. Those papers don't write themselves.

Anyway, the bottom line is bad habits need to replaced through repetition in the offseason and during whatever breaks from classwork they get.

P.S. Once a bad physical habit has taken hold and been done for a long time, it's very hard to break. The number of repetitions it takes to truly break it is crazy high. The problem many athletes have is that when they get tired or in a stress panic they unconsciously revert to their old bad habits. The coaches can only show them the correct movements and hope that, over time, it sinks in. Intensive Visualization of doing the proper movements IS something even busy students can do throughout the day, so that's so ething the staff could encourage.
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This is exactly why I said in my post on the previous page that she is what she is now, a rebounder and shot blocker. Maybe at the next level they can get her to break that habit of bringing the ball down when she catches it high but I don't see it happening at TN. Her FT shooting has improved which allows her to score 8-10 pts a game with half from the FT line. Thats her offensive game.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
This is exactly why I said in my post on the previous page that she is what she is now, a rebounder and shot blocker. Maybe at the next level they can get her to break that habit of bringing the ball down when she catches it high but I don't see it happening at TN. Her FT shooting has improved which allows her to score 8-10 pts a game with half from the FT line. Thats here offensive game.
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It's a basic, natural instinct to gather the body by getting hips, arms and legs lower before springing up, so when a post player has difficulty un-learning a highly natural movement, it's understandable. Posts like Tamari have to put in unbelievable amounts of tine and energy retraining their brains to do something so unnatural, and most people just don't have/make that kind of time to do it.

If I had lots of money I'd invent a contraption that restricts a posts arms from coming down and have them wear that sucker for at least two hours of repetitions a day during the offseason. 😲
 
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Key herself has admitted to bringing the ball down. She has said that's what she admires about Striplin. Striplin doesn't bring the ball down. It was in a post game interview after one of the games. She knows she does it and knows she shouldn't but she continues to do it. Habits are hard to break when the pressure is on. She may not break this habit until she gets to the pros and works on basketball 24-7. I love what she brings to the team and see potential for so much more. Keep working TK. You do have supporters out here even though they may not be the most vocal of the bunch.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I've always asked why TK hasn't developed a little more of a mid-range game and taken a few shots in those areas. She has only taken 490 field goal attempts in 83 games played which is barley over five shot attempts per game. A Player her size should get more, but when all you can do is post teams can take that away from a team and many choose to do that. The truth is she is much the same player she was as a sophomore on offense while improving defensively.
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I beg to differ. In her first 2 seasons, TK was maddeningly inconsistent in finishing around the rim. She missed so many bunnies it was like she was PETA advocate. In those seasons, she just kind of slung the ball toward the rim with a hope and prayer. She is now more likely to make those shots (which are now actual shots) than to miss them. She has better post moves (though she still has a long way to go). Her FT shooting is up. And she is better at getting positioning and does not lose the ball as much in traffic as much as she once did.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I've always asked why TK hasn't developed a little more of a mid-range game and taken a few shots in those areas. She has only taken 490 field goal attempts in 83 games played which is barley over five shot attempts per game. A Player her size should get more, but when all you can do is post teams can take that away from a team and many choose to do that. The truth is she is much the same player she was as a sophomore on offense while improving defensively.
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She only had 3 FG attempts in the game Sunday. But she also had 7 assists, which means the team is getting the ball into her, and she is passing it out when she is double and triple teamed for open shots. So, at least we are benefiting from having her in the post on offense.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I've always asked why TK hasn't developed a little more of a mid-range game and taken a few shots in those areas. She has only taken 490 field goal attempts in 83 games played which is barley over five shot attempts per game. A Player her size should get more, but when all you can do is post teams can take that away from a team and many choose to do that. The truth is she is much the same player she was as a sophomore on offense while improving defensively.
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Coaching matters...
 
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Voluble2 said:
Part of the problem is how they feed Tamari.

If the ball comes in low the smaller players simply collapse on her and take it before she can get it up.

You have to feed her high, and then she has to keep it high.

Another problem is getting her base set when she receives the ball. That can't always be done, but taking a dribble to realign just isn't possible most of the time so you have to have your move ready, and your feet set properly for it before you receive the ball.

It's tough when they get to shove you off balance as they did several times in this game without any calls being made. Once they called Key for a travel when Vandy shoved her while she had the ball. Not a thing in the world you can do about that other than turn the film into the league for them to ignore.

Walker and Miles are short enough that they have trouble judging how to lob the ball in, Horston does a better job of it. But they can all improve if it is made a priority.[/QUOT

TK is capable of way more offensively as you say, her entry passes could def be better
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Darth_Vol said:
Coaching matters...
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It's mattered a lot for Jordan Horston, who has improved tremendously this season, right before our eyes. And for Miles and Puckett, who have been coached to give us some excellent minutes as freshmen. Not to mention Darby, who has given us much more than we would have thought possible during Rae's ordeal. Yes, good coaching like the kind we're getting on this team does matter. A lot.........

And we've all watched Key's improvements, though we still see some habits not broken. But individual player discipline matters too............
 
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