Game Thread: #13/10 LSU (23-4, 10-3) @ Tennessee (16-9, 9-4 SEC) 2/25/24 12:00 pm EST ESPN

[Vol Hillbilly]

Was Karo under the weather tonight? If not where was she 3 minutes total on the floor and we had a poor shooting night. 3 / 17 (33 mins), 6/18 (38 mins), 2/12 (30 mins), 2/7 (2/7 (27 mins). give karo and Edie time, both have shown can shoot. If players are not performing try something different. Karo has gave some strong performances when she gets playing time. We managed to stay close to a very tired team Until the end. Subs with this group is terrible. At one point she subbed Wynn for Key (?). Being a great point guard as a player does not make you a good coach. She was an awesome point but look at our continued weakness at point. A good point job is to work the ball for the best shot. This team seldom has more than 2 passes per possession. I think any good recruit will see this coaching staff is not their best option unless they want to play playground style ball.

Avery as well, think she had 2 minutes, is a new recruit looking for that environment?

 

[glv98]

Was Karo under the weather tonight? If not where was she 3 minutes total on the floor and we had a poor shooting night. 3 / 17 (33 mins), 6/18 (38 mins), 2/12 (30 mins), 2/7 (2/7 (27 mins). give karo and Edie time, both have shown can shoot. If players are not performing try something different. Karo has gave some strong performances when she gets playing time. We managed to stay close to a very tired team Until the end. Subs with this group is terrible. At one point she subbed Wynn for Key (?). Being a great point guard as a player does not make you a good coach. She was an awesome point but look at our continued weakness at point. A good point job is to work the ball for the best shot. This team seldom has more than 2 passes per possession. I think any good recruit will see this coaching staff is not their best option unless they want to play playground style ball.

I think what kept Karo off the court in this game was size. Sheer size is what was working so well against Angel and Morrow; that's what Kim said after the game. At 6'3", Karo is just a bit short to pull that off.

I hate what's happening to her, but it's just circumstance not anything that's her fault. Once TK was able to start it's just tanked Karo's mins. She such a good teammate and such a hard worker, and has skills, I hope she hangs in. She'll have a big role next year.

 

[VolBall09]

I think what kept Karo off the court in this game was size. Sheer size is what was working so well against Angel and Morrow; that's what Kim said after the game. At 6'3", Karo is just a bit short to pull that off.

I hate what's happening to her, but it's just circumstance not anything that's her fault. Once TK was able to start it's just tanked Karo's mins. She such a good teammate and such a hard worker, and has skills, I hope she hangs in. She'll have a big role next year.

She tried her twice and both times LSU had possessions with 4-5 offensive rebounds. Sat her back down.

 

[Volfan2012]

Fairly conclusive where we will finish in the league after yesterdays games. Were finishing fifth no matter if we don't win another league game. We can finish fourth if we win one more and Alabama loses one more. They have A&M on the road their last game the other one looks like a sure win to me. Of course if we lose to A&M then that concludes everything were fifth cause don't see anyway were winning at SC.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I see a lot of people saying NIL is a problem at Tennessee for women’s hoops. This is a serious question I’m about to ask because I’m not plugged in enough to know: aside from the Caitlin Clark’s and LSU players, are there any schools truly committed to NIL in women’s hoops? I know word is that LSU is all in and obviously Clark is bringing in a lot, but aside from those two instances, how many schools are slinging cash at players in what is a non- revenue sport?

 

[Volfan2012]

I see a lot of people saying NIL is a problem at Tennessee for women’s hoops. This is a serious question I’m about to ask because I’m not plugged in enough to know: aside from the Caitlin Clark’s and LSU players, are there any schools truly committed to NIL in women’s hoops? I know word is that LSU is all in and obviously Clark is bringing in a lot, but aside from those two instances, how many schools are slinging cash at players in what is a non- revenue sport?

I think a lot of the high school problem was schools ignoring the rules offering NIL deals as part of the recruiting package. As far as the portal we've been able to snare quite a few players that were highly ranked or playing at a high level elsewhere and some of them have not worked out here or have been inconsistent in their play. I was glad to see the new law as it will put everything out in the open about who has NIL and how Tennessee stands with NIL.

 

[knoxvol52]

It's not recruiting anymore, it's called Free Agency.

Players aren't going to the schools they love, they go to the schools that offer the most money.

Hiring mercenaries is the way in college sports today.

 

[glv98]

Fairly conclusive where we will finish in the league after yesterdays games. Were finishing fifth no matter if we don't win another league game. We can finish fourth if we win one more and Alabama loses one more. They have A&M on the road their last game the other one looks like a sure win to me. Of course if we lose to A&M then that concludes everything were fifth cause don't see anyway were winning at SC.

Yep. In the season where everything that possibly go wrong does, we'll now have the extra game in the SEC tourney and if we win both, still play So Car for the third time in a month as a reward. And in our 3rd game in 3 days.

Then move on to the NCAA and probably play either a 1 or 2 seed if we make second round.

 

[Volfan2012]

Yep. In the season where everything that possibly go wrong does, we'll now have the extra game in the SEC tourney and if we win, still play So Car for the third time in a month as a reward.

Then move on to the NCAA and probably play either a 1 or 2 seed if we make second round.

Well we'd have to play a bottom feeder first and if we win that one would play Alabama and win that one yes SC. Fourth we play the winner of Alabama and a bottom feeder and then Sc. So yes let us take some more beatings to end all this. If we end up a nine seed in the NCAA bracket maybe they will put us in the SC bracket and we can find a way to play them again.

 

[glv98]

Well we'd have to play a bottom feeder first and if we win that one would play Alabama and win that one yes SC. Fourth we play the winner of Alabama and a bottom feeder and then Sc. So yes let us take some more beatings to end all this. If we end up a nine seed in the NCAA bracket maybe they will put us in the SC bracket and we can find a way to play them again.

LOL, yeah just our luck to get SC for a fourth time in the NCAA. Fortunately, Dawn's influence is even greater than our bad luck and she will not let that happen. She's already complaining about the scheduling that has us playing each other so close together in the reg season.

I kinda have the get it over with feeling too, but if they can pull it together for two SEC tourney wins and a first round NCAA win, we could at least reach a 20 win season, which would be a major miracle. That assumes we beat TAM, which I really think we can. Best case is probably we go 4-3 the rest of way and end 20-14. The 20 helps with the 14 a little, but not much.

Key game in all this would be beating Alabama in Greeneville.

 

[Volfan2012]

It's not recruiting anymore, it's called Free Agency.

Players aren't going to the schools they love, they go to the schools that offer the most money.

Hiring mercenaries is the way in college sports today.

Was already happening and now everybody is invited to participate legally. We find out who has the money and if some players with the new transfer rules can take three or four deals as they transfer from school to school. Since NIL will be paid year to year some will always be open to a better deal and have the transfers available to get it done.

 

[glv98]

Was already happening and now everybody is invited to participate legally. We find out who has the money and if some players with the new transfer rules can take three or four deals as they transfer from school to school. Since NIL will be paid year to year some will always be open to a better deal and have the transfers available to get it done.

Are you sure we'll find out who's paying what? I haven't seen any ruling requiring transparency in what's offered and what's accepted. In fact, with all the rulings that in effect make athletes employees, it seems less likely we'll know amounts. Would you want your pay package to be public knowledge?

Unless athletes choose to tell us, I still don't think we'll know who's offering what, only that whoever's getting players is obviously offering more. Which is the case now.

 

[Volfan2012]

Are you sure we'll find out who's paying what? I haven't seen any ruling requiring transparency in what's offered and what's accepted. In fact, with all the rulings that in effect make athletes employees, it seems less likely we'll know amounts. Would you want your pay package to be public knowledge?

Unless athletes choose to tell us, I still don't think we'll know who's offering what, only that whoever's getting players is obviously offering more.

I'll know it is not us at least if we don't get some of the players. I couldn't say that before beacuse of the rule against high school NIL recruiting and will now be able to declare it easily. I don't think all the recruits hate Tennessee of Kellie Harper enough if they can show them the money. If they can't we can assume with a good percentage of certainty this has been the biggest problem all along.

 

[glv98]

I'll know it is not us at least if we don't get some of the players. I couldn't say that before beacuse of the rule against high school NIL recruiting and will now be able to declare it easily. I don't think all the recruits hate Tennessee of Kellie Harper enough if they can show them the money. If they can't we can assume with a good percentage of certainty this has been the biggest problem all along.

I think Angel Reese, of all people, confirmed that last night. Even the most locked in fact deniers can't possible think it's a coincidence that she chose our lack of NIL as her parting taunt. "Broke ass, get your money up", sadly, is not wrong.

That said, I know one hardcore fact denier who's pulling on the tin foil crown and probably typing his denial as we speak. Scary stuff.

 

[Volfan2012]

I think Angel Reese, of all people, confirmed that last night. Even the most locked in fact deniers can't possible think it's a coincidence that she chose our lack of NIL as her parting taunt. "Broke ass, get your money up", sadly, is not wrong.

That said, I know one hardcore fact denier who's pulling on the tin foil crown and probably typing his denial as we speak. Scary stuff.

Yes looked like she might have been looking at us at one time and the money pot was bare. Sad to see since were not having any problem paying in the millions to football players.

 

[Rooster1]

I think Angel Reese, of all people, confirmed that last night. Even the most locked in fact deniers can't possible think it's a coincidence that she chose our lack of NIL as her parting taunt. "Broke ass, get your money up", sadly, is not wrong.

That said, I know one hardcore fact denier who's pulling on the tin foil crown and probably typing his denial as we speak. Scary stuff.

You are correct in the denial society which as you correctly stated before started in 2016 which of course is not a coincidence.

 

[glv98]

You are correct in the denial society which as you correctly stated before started in 2016 which of course is not a coincidence.

LOL I tried to slip that in wo being too political. In all the epic awfulness, IMO the rise of 'alternative facts' has been the most damaging. Literally no one believes anything anymore.

 

[Majors]

I see a lot of people saying NIL is a problem at Tennessee for women’s hoops. This is a serious question I’m about to ask because I’m not plugged in enough to know: aside from the Caitlin Clark’s and LSU players, are there any schools truly committed to NIL in women’s hoops? I know word is that LSU is all in and obviously Clark is bringing in a lot, but aside from those two instances, how many schools are slinging cash at players in what is a non- revenue sport?

Iowa landed Clark before NIL was relevant. Perks of keeping in-state kids home. LSU made an investment in their coach before they made it in their players.

 

[Volfan2012]

LOL I tried to slip that in wo being too political. In all the epic awfulness, IMO the rise of 'alternative facts' has been the most damaging. Literally no one believes anything anymore.

I believe but still like to be shown even not being from Missouri I have a lot of show me in me. Proving it makes it better even when I am hoping it is not really so.

 

[glv98]

Iowa landed Clark before NIL was relevant. Perks of keeping in-state kids home. LSU made an investment in their coach before they made it in their players.

I've never heard much about CC's high school career. Did she shoot fm distance like this, or close, in hs? Was she highly recruited?

 

[Amb3096]

So we hear a lot about all of these schools that bought out players that practically had their tickets booked to Tennessee. Yet, Tennessee still managed to get highly rated high school recruits Boyd, Brooks and Chastain without (presumably) paying them through the roof. Why is that? Is it because unlike all of those other players, these are highly virtuous and pure players who play for the love of the game, and not the love of money? And Kellie is handcuffed because only these caliber of players are available to the LVs?

I heard the same during Holly's days about how she refuses to back down from her "principles" when recruiting, and scoundrals needed to look at other schools. I kind of wonder if the whole NIL thing is being used as a convenient excuse for her recruiting inabilities. I also think it's pretty low brow to essentially accuse players of being for hire without proof just because they weren't as surefire a commit as originally thought (ex. del Rosario, Shade, etc.)

 

[Amb3096]

I've never heard much about CC's high school career. Did she shoot fm distance like this, or close, in hs? Was she highly recruited?

Clark was top 5 in her class. She committed to Iowa early in the process, so that might be a reason why she didn't get the coverage of someone like Paige. Now that I think about it, I don't think I heard anything about any recruits EXCEPT for Paige...

 

[glv98]

So we hear a lot about all of these schools that bought out players that practically had their tickets booked to Tennessee. Yet, Tennessee still managed to get highly rated high school recruits Boyd, Brooks and Chastain without (presumably) paying them through the roof. Why is that? Is it because unlike all of those other players, these are highly virtuous and pure players who play for the love of the game, and not the love of money? And Kellie is handcuffed because only these caliber of players are available to the LVs?

I heard the same during Holly's days about how she refuses to back down from her "principles" when recruiting, and scoundrals needed to look at other schools. I kind of wonder if the whole NIL thing is being used as a convenient excuse for her recruiting inabilities. I also think it's pretty low brow to essentially accuse players of being for hire without proof just because they weren't as surefire a commit as originally thought (ex. del Rosario, Shade, etc.)

You think it's coincidence that Angel, from the school Del Rosario ended up at, used our lack of NIL as her parting taunt? That sealed it for me, ironically. Plus I now know for sure Earl knows what he's talking about, and Deer Park and MTSUraider always have. All have said the same thing.

 

[Majors]

I've never heard much about CC's high school career. Did she shoot fm distance like this, or close, in hs? Was she highly recruited?

She was #4 ESPN. ESPN Sues Place has a good story in her. She started deep shots on college as she got stronger.

 

[Volfan2012]

You think it's coincidence that Angel, from the school Del Rosario ended up at, used our lack of NIL as her parting taunt? That sealed it for me, ironically. Plus I now know for sure Earl knows what he's talking about, and Deer Park and MTSUraider always have. All have said the same thing.

Like I said we'll find out. We have that ability now to see if it is true. No players now means one thing we don't have NIL money for women's basketball. There are no rules to stop us.