Game Thread: (7/7) Lady Vols 59 - (RV/RV ) Florida 84

#626
#626
Aladywhovolunteer said:
One of the tenets of a good leader is never berating people/players in public. Horston has said repeatedly Kellie knows when to be mad and when not too be. Pat's style probably would not be effective today (just my opinion).
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Pats style would always be effective ...you find out who can take coaching and who can't .. if they are not responding to the kinder gentler approach them your not making progress or being true to the goal .. Pat would be chewing butt and getting results .. period
 
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spoton said:
She IS talented; however, she is not tough enough and not very quick to defend a player.
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Good grief: Some of you COMPLETELY overestimate Key. I give her credit for improving and playing to the best of her ability--but she is very limited. She is very big but constrained by her lack of athleticism--have you not noticed in three years?---and athleticism is nearly everything in this sport, obviously. Her defensive prowess comes from being a rim protector. Hey, that's a good thing--but if you draw her away from the basket she struggles to guard opponents, as anyone her size would, especially if she has to switch after a high-post screen by the opponent. She has virtually no offensive game aside from making shots very close to the basket or making free-throws. She simply does not move well, which perhaps isn't surprising given how big she is. She's had a couple of games recently in which, late in the game, she'd taken only 3 shots. What does that tell you? I'm super-proud of Key for giving it her all, seriously, but she's limited. (The best defensive big we've ever had, by a mile, was Nicky Anosike. She 6'3" and very athletic. Not a great offensive player by any stretch, but a defensive beast.)

I think this team overachieved early in the season and now we are seeing its true performance level, and with Green gone, it might be lower than some would like to believe. But it's not just the Green injury. We have various weaknesses.

We were terrible defensively tonight--and that might be an understatement. Had Florida not had a low-scoring 2nd quarter the gators would have scored 100 points tonight. Yikes. We don't have enough team quickness to be a good defensive team. Horston is a casual defender--and that's not a good thing, at all. Offensively, we were terrible in the 2nd and 3rd quarters--lots of turnovers, missed shots. We also shot under 50 percent from the FT line. Miles was 0-4 from the stripe--unacceptable.

I see some here wondering why Harper doesn't chew out some players. Is she too much of a player's coach? I don't know. That was one of Warlick's problems---not demanding enough, and when she tried to be demanding, the players didn't seem to take her seriously. The best coaches tend to be demanding. I think Harper and her staff can coach--they showed that in the first half of the season and are certainly an upgrade over the previous regime--but they need to get it together on the recruiting end, as we need more talent.
 
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Voluble2 said:
Lack of quality depth at guard. And two of our guards are so small they can't really press well because everyone can see and pass over them. They can't cover a lot of distance quickly and outside of Horston do not have a lot of steals. We are not built for it. You can probably press better with Rae when she is healthy but it is clear she is not her old self yet.
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She looks like the Rae I remember
 
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Mark Few seems to do quite well at Gonzaga without getting in players' faces and yelling.

Somehow, Kellie was able to take a mid-major to the Sweet Sixteen without going berserk on the sidelines. And she has two assistant coaches with head coaching experience on the bench beside her.

Brooklynn got hard coaching from Coach Sam. It made BK a better guard, but it didn't automatically raise her play to the level of faster, more experienced guards. And it didn't help her at the free throw line.

I have confidence that neither the coaches nor the players are quitters like some of the "fans" who obviously know the players better than their coaches. The old saying that sports reveals character doesn't just apply to athletes and coaches.
 
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Voluble2 said:
We were never really a top ten team in anything but name only. That is absolutely clear now.

I think a large part of the problem was when we got that ranking and the players started thinking the team was better than it is.
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Rat poison, not the tasty sort.
 
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Gilmore said:
Our largest loss to a team unranked in AP era per Sec network
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That is an artifact of the team quitting and not playing hard. And this is why we can't recruit. No one wants to lose in new and embarrassing ways that no one has ever seen before.

At the absolute, very least, Kellie should have this much fixed by now. It's OK to lose in a good effort to a decent team. That is not embarrassing. Getting blown out by not very good teams and losing to last place ones is not acceptable at all and should not happen at this point in her tenure.
 
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In spite of, I definitely think Tess deserves her flowers tonight! She tried to keep us in it with some timely 3s in the first half, but unfortunately the rest of the time was a no show!

Kellie has to recruit and recruit now! Pissott is a start but we need more surrounding her. Her and Puckett are the only hope for our future right now.

This current team won’t make it past the 2nd round. We’re in February and we’ve been talking about turnovers since November, go figure!
 
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Let's be honest. This could easily be a 3 game losing streak to....unranked teams no less. We got lucky Ramirez missed that 3 at the buzzer and they missed two free throws. Something is very wrong. I don't know what it is...but this team changed for the very bad overnight.
 
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And1 said:
I think Kellie is paralyzed in fear that by chewing out a player they will transfer.
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She strikes me as being more of a friend to them than a mentor. Nothing wrong with having fun and being sociable with the players, but she’s gonna have to jerk a knot in their rearends or they’ll run all over her. Holly couldn’t discipline her players, and it was one reason she got fired
 
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turbovol said:
Good grief: Some of you COMPLETELY overestimate Key. I give her credit for improving and playing to the best of her ability--but she is very limited. She is very big but constrained by her lack of athleticism--have you not noticed in three years?---and athleticism is nearly everything in this sport, obviously. Her defensive prowess comes from being a rim protector. Hey, that's a good thing--but if you draw her away from the basket she struggles to guard opponents, as anyone her size would, especially if she has to switch after a high-post screen by the opponent. She has virtually no offensive game aside from making shots very close to the basket or making free-throws. She simply does not move well, which perhaps isn't surprising given how big she is. She's had a couple of games recently in which, late in the game, she'd taken only 3 shots. What does that tell you? I'm super-proud of Key for giving it her all, seriously, but she's limited. (The best defensive big we've ever had, by a mile, was Nicky Anosike. She 6'3" and very athletic. Not a great offensive player by any stretch, but a defensive beast.)

I think this team overachieved early in the season and now we are seeing its true performance level, and with Green gone, it might be lower than some would like to believe. But it's not just the Green injury. We have various weaknesses.

We were terrible defensively tonight--and that might be an understatement. Had Florida not had a low-scoring 2nd quarter the gators would have scored 100 points tonight. Yikes. We don't have enough team quickness to be a good defensive team. Horston is a casual defender--and that's not a good thing, at all. Offensively, we were terrible in the 2nd and 3rd quarters--lots of turnovers, missed shots. We also shot under 50 percent from the FT line. Miles was 0-4 from the stripe--unacceptable.

I see some here wondering why Harper doesn't chew out some players. Is she too much of a player's coach? I don't know. That was one of Warlick's problems---not demanding enough, and when she tried to be demanding, the players didn't seem to take her seriously. The best coaches tend to be demanding. I think Harper and her staff can coach--they showed that in the first half of the season and are certainly an upgrade over the previous regime--but they need to get it together on the recruiting end, as we need more talent.
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This team misses too many shots….even bunnies….. their free throws make you scratch head with questions, as with loss of focus causing so many turnovers……time for individual players to get tough and spend some extra time in the gym. Key has had games that reveal she can do much better. It’s like she gets in this zone and is fired up or mad and plays so much better. They might need a check up from the neck up.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
In spite of, I definitely think Tess deserves her flowers tonight! She tried to keep us in it with some timely 3s in the first half, but unfortunately the rest of the time was a no show!

Kellie has to recruit and recruit now! Pissott is a start but we need more surrounding her. Her and Puckett are the only hope for our future right now.

This current team won’t make it past the 2nd round. We’re in February and we’ve been talking about turnovers since November, go figure!
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We’ve been talking about turnovers the entire KJH era. Three years and it’s not getting better.
 
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#648
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djohnnyg said:
UCONN is gonna vaporize this team. They've fallen apart completely before our very eyes.
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South Carolina is the new Tennessee. We gave up trying to stay a power in the sport by settling for KJH. Fulmer couldn’t do anything right as AD.
 
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