Game Thread: Iowa v Lady Vols, Sat Dec 7th ; Shark Beauty Women's Champions Classic; 7PM; FOX network TV; WIN 78-68

[glv98]

If any LV beat reporters are reading this, do better!!! You might actually get some interesting quotes if you just ask actual questions, rather rephrasing your game analysis as a question.

Going to have to disagree. IMO the problem actually is it's hard to keep coming up with good questions. Esp when each reporter gets 4 or 5 questions. Everything said here, maybe w the exception of Jewel, was asked and answered in the post game presser. To have to come back a few days later and rehash it all again, or go off on a tangent trying to come up w something new, is a waste of time for everyone. And KC's demeanor exactly reflects that. The midweek pressers are completely painful, even for a very good reporter like Cora.

P.S. Kim's answer about what Jan said was absolutely perfect. This woman simply has zero effs to give about stuff like that.

 

[newladyvolfan]

Going to have to disagree. IMO the problem actually is it's hard to keep coming up with good questions. Esp when each reporter gets 4 or 5 questions. Everything said here, maybe w the exception of Jewel, was asked and answered in the post game presser. To have to come back a few days later and rehash it all again, or go off on a tangent trying to come up w something new, is a waste of time for everyone. And KC's demeanor exactly reflects that. The midweek pressers are completely painful, even for a very good reporter like Cora.

P.S. Kim's answer about what Jan said was absolutely perfect. This woman simply has zero effs to give about stuff like that.

What would Dawn say though?

 

[newladyvolfan]

My understanding fm a couple of different sourcces is Gabe was the secret sauce this time. Of course Kim has to close the deal and so gets credit. But if we're talking about hire-able assistants, I'm afraid Gabe is in his prime. But probably not for a couple of years. I'm sure he wants to work with this next class, his babies. OTOH, so much of hiring for top jobs is also about timing. We'll see.

Redus from LSU, Anderson from Illinois, and Harmon at Iowa.. are some names to think of if anyone leaves in a year or two

 

[newladyvolfan]

This is the style of play that Jenna has been part of for several years. It’s the style she knows. Other schools will be interested in Jenna and this brand of basketball only if Tennessee is successful for several seasons. So I think she’ll be around until that’s established.

Jenna will be like the lady at UConn

 

[VolBall09]

Jenna will be like the lady at UConn

Lmao drinking already?

 

[newladyvolfan]

Lmao drinking already?

yeah I started at 5am

 

[lvocd]

Going to have to disagree. IMO the problem actually is it's hard to keep coming up with good questions. Esp when each reporter gets 4 or 5 questions. Everything said here, maybe w the exception of Jewel, was asked and answered in the post game presser. To have to come back a few days later and rehash it all again, or go off on a tangent trying to come up w something new, is a waste of time for everyone. And KC's demeanor exactly reflects that. The midweek pressers are completely painful, even for a very good reporter like Cora.

P.S. Kim's answer about what Jan said was absolutely perfect. This woman simply has zero effs to give about stuff like that.

Agreed.

And yes, my favorite part of the interview was her perfect take on Jensen’s pep talk. Of COURSE she had to fire her team up however she felt would fire them up. Caldwell clearly understands that. Good stuff.

 

[creekdipper]

Well, she's a lot prettier than Belichick for one thing.

And doesn't date people 48 years younger than herself (which wouldn't even be possible for quite a while).

 

[glv98]

Redus from LSU, Anderson from Illinois, and Harmon at Iowa.. are some names to think of if anyone leaves in a year or two

Are these assistants? I don't think any LV assistants would leave except for a head coaching job.

 

[krichunaka]

Going to have to disagree. IMO the problem actually is it's hard to keep coming up with good questions. Esp when each reporter gets 4 or 5 questions. Everything said here, maybe w the exception of Jewel, was asked and answered in the post game presser. To have to come back a few days later and rehash it all again, or go off on a tangent trying to come up w something new, is a waste of time for everyone. And KC's demeanor exactly reflects that. The midweek pressers are completely painful, even for a very good reporter like Cora.

P.S. Kim's answer about what Jan said was absolutely perfect. This woman simply has zero effs to give about stuff like that.

I think it's been established that Cora Hall is our best, or most-likeable reporter. I've spent very little time in New York, but even I know that, this game, this event, for so many reasons, was a big deal, and most-certainly so for a promising journalist. And, please forgive my ignorance, but I expect that The News Sentinel shelled out, what?, a couple-three thousand? Or more? Anyhow, there's some pressure involved. Besides, it was a subject of interest on various medias, and it's actually been discussed quite smartly and open-mindedly, here. It's delicate.

Having said all that, the "pep talk" question was a reach, plain and simple. However, I think our reporter's heart was in the right place; so, nothing to really worry about. Anyhow, I highly doubt that Jan Jensen is, let's just say, "biased." She was, after all, agreeable to, and fully aware of being mic'd up. Most everyone amongst us actually saw the game, so it's worth noting that she has a few players of color, including the freshman who hit a huge, crunch time three against Iowa State last night, and Stuelke made several good plays, so there didn't appear to be any hangover. Teams in those (and all) areas are generally going to reflect the local demographics.

Bottom line, and not just concerning that one question: Madtownvol nailed it: "Do better."

 

[chuckiepoo]

I think it's been established that Cora Hall is our best, or most-likeable reporter. I've spent very little time in New York, but even I know that, this game, this event, for so many reasons, was a big deal, and most-certainly so for a promising journalist. And, please forgive my ignorance, but I expect that The News Sentinel shelled out, what?, a couple-three thousand? Or more? Anyhow, there's some pressure involved. Besides, it was a subject of interest on various medias, and it's actually been discussed quite smartly and open-mindedly, here. It's delicate.

Having said all that, the "pep talk" question was a reach, plain and simple. However, I think our reporter's heart was in the right place; so, nothing to really worry about. Anyhow, I highly doubt that Jan Jensen is, let's just say, "biased." She was, after all, agreeable to, and fully aware of being mic'd up. Most everyone amongst us actually saw the game, so it's worth noting that she has a few players of color, including the freshman who hit a huge, crunch time three against Iowa State last night, and Stuelke made several good plays, so they didn't appear to be any hangover. Teams in those (and all) areas are generally going to reflect the local demographics.

Bottom line, and not just concerning that one question: Madtownvol nailed it: "Do better."

1) 40 minutes of game execution, your team and the opponent.
2) 8-10 players in rotation on opponent’s roster.
3) The opposing coaching staff and their decisions.

Note: The above points change every time we tip it off.

4) Has Danny White found a new tailor?

Plenty of topics for new questions…

 

[madtownvol]

And doesn't date people 48 years younger than herself (which wouldn't even be possible for quite a while).

I am sure his girlfriend is just enthralled when he regales her with the backstories on Jefferson Airplane's white rabbitt and Iron Butterfly's In gadda-da-vida. That was MUSIC (shaking fist at sky!!!)

 

[madtownvol]

I think it's been established that Cora Hall is our best, or most-likeable reporter. I've spent very little time in New York, but even I know that, this game, this event, for so many reasons, was a big deal, and most-certainly so for a promising journalist. And, please forgive my ignorance, but I expect that The News Sentinel shelled out, what?, a couple-three thousand? Or more? Anyhow, there's some pressure involved. Besides, it was a subject of interest on various medias, and it's actually been discussed quite smartly and open-mindedly, here. It's delicate.

Having said all that, the "pep talk" question was a reach, plain and simple. However, I think our reporter's heart was in the right place; so, nothing to really worry about. Anyhow, I highly doubt that Jan Jensen is, let's just say, "biased." She was, after all, agreeable to, and fully aware of being mic'd up. Most everyone amongst us actually saw the game, so it's worth noting that she has a few players of color, including the freshman who hit a huge, crunch time three against Iowa State last night, and Stuelke made several good plays, so they didn't appear to be any hangover. Teams in those (and all) areas are generally going to reflect the local demographics.

Bottom line, and not just concerning that one question: Madtownvol nailed it: "Do better."

On a somewhat related note, glad that Iowa beat Iowa St. last night. It makes the LVs win look better.

 

[glv98]

Having said all that, the "pep talk" question was a reach, plain and simple. However, I think our reporter's heart was in the right place; so, nothing to really worry about. Anyhow, I highly doubt that Jan Jensen is, let's just say, "biased." She was, after all, agreeable to, and fully aware of being mic'd up

Hi friend. Agree to disagree. Not judging Jan's bias or lack of, but it's hard for me to see how any aware adult wouldn't knlw the dangerous territory that comment rubbed right up against. She can't be unaware of the whole recent "barfighter" and "thug" controversary which began with an identical statement. With no disrespect of course.

Totally ok telling her team they're going to get out-athleticed and out-quicked and so would have to play sharper and more efficiently. But the language Jan added was so coded it's first name should be Morse.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Hi friend. Agree to disagree. Not judging Jan's bias or lack of, but it's hard for me to see how any aware adult wouldn't knlw the dangerous territory that comment rubbed right up against. She can't be unaware of the whole recent "barfighter" and "thug" controversary which began with an identical statement. With no disrespect of course.

Totally ok telling her team they're going to get out-athleticed and out-quicked and so would have to play sharper and more efficiently. But the language Jan added was so coded it's first name should be Morse.

Please. Do not confuse me as being a fan of Jan.

I’d give her a pass on this particular indiscretion. If it truly is an element of her core values, it will tell quickly as her recruiting falls off.

 

[madtownvol]

Hi friend. Agree to disagree. Not judging Jan's bias or lack of, but it's hard for me to see how any aware adult wouldn't knlw the dangerous territory that comment rubbed right up against. She can't be unaware of the whole recent "barfighter" and "thug" controversary which began with an identical statement. With no disrespect of course.

Totally ok telling her team they're going to get out-athleticed and out-quicked and so would have to play sharper and more efficiently. But the language Jan added was so coded it's first name should be Morse.

You're better than they are," Jensen said. "They're a little taller, they might be a little faster, overall they might jump a little higher, but they're not better basketball players."

But coach, isn't height, speed, and jumping part of being a basketball player?

Shut up!!!!!!

 

[dapeak]

I think it's been established that Cora Hall is our best, or most-likeable reporter. I've spent very little time in New York, but even I know that, this game, this event, for so many reasons, was a big deal, and most-certainly so for a promising journalist. And, please forgive my ignorance, but I expect that The News Sentinel shelled out, what?, a couple-three thousand? Or more? Anyhow, there's some pressure involved. Besides, it was a subject of interest on various medias, and it's actually been discussed quite smartly and open-mindedly, here. It's delicate.

Having said all that, the "pep talk" question was a reach, plain and simple. However, I think our reporter's heart was in the right place; so, nothing to really worry about. Anyhow, I highly doubt that Jan Jensen is, let's just say, "biased." She was, after all, agreeable to, and fully aware of being mic'd up. Most everyone amongst us actually saw the game, so it's worth noting that she has a few players of color, including the freshman who hit a huge, crunch time three against Iowa State last night, and Stuelke made several good plays, so there didn't appear to be any hangover. Teams in those (and all) areas are generally going to reflect the local demographics.

Bottom line, and not just concerning that one question: Madtownvol nailed it: "Do better."

disagree. Coaches and analysts need to stop thinking some girls are just good at basketball because they’re faster and taller… it’s always telling who people say have a high bball iq vs who’s just naturally talented. Like I don’t hear a ton of bball IQ for SC teams but I hear it for Iowa state. Mind you… who’s been the team to win chips? Same with these x’s abd o’s surveys about coaches. Dawn is never on them yet she out coaches pretty much everybody lol Yes Jan has players of color on her team but idk if that means anything. When she said “but we’re better at basketball” that’s when it was clear that “this is an undisciplined team of athletes on a basketball court, we play the game of basketball” dog whistle.

 

[creekdipper]

Much ado about nothing, imo.

As Caldwell pointed out, coaches do what they can to motivate players, especially during games when things aren't going well. It's the same with coaches posting "bulletin board material" to fire up their team and get them to feel disrespected. Mind games.

Akin to Gene Hackman having the player measure the height of the rims at the state tournament in "Hoosiers."

I took it to mean that the Iowa players shouldn't get overwhelmed by their physical shortcomings and should concentrate on playing their game of sound fundamentals...back door cuts, assists, finding the easiest shot, taking advantage of overplaying, etc. And they did come back and make it anyone's game until the final minutes. It was a contrast of two different styles of basketball.

The Lady Vols did look disjointed and ragged at times; however, the low amount of turnovers given the increased number of possessions and the platooning continues to impress. That wouldn't happen if the team was totally undisciplined and lacked fundamentals.

 

[madtownvol]

disagree. Coaches and analysts need to stop thinking some girls are just good at basketball because they’re faster and taller… it’s always telling who people say have a high bball iq vs who’s just naturally talented. Like I don’t hear a ton of bball IQ for SC teams but I hear it for Iowa state. Mind you… who’s been the team to win chips? Same with these x’s abd o’s surveys about coaches. Dawn is never on them yet she out coaches pretty much everybody lol Yes Jan has players of color on her team but idk if that means anything. When she said “but we’re better at basketball” that’s when it was clear that “this is an undisciplined team of athletes on a basketball court, we play the game of basketball” dog whistle.

Our Kaiya Wynn is a good example. As a freshman, she was a good athlete whose basketball skill set was woefully underdeveloped. She got better every year and was looking pretty well rounded last season (serious bummer about her season ending injury). So coming in, she fit the stereotype but then showed it is not something set in stone or the genes.

This dichotomous framing is an ongoing problem in the world of professional (European) football, where star black players are always "amazing physical specimens," with natural strength and speed, and great "instincts" whereas star white players are always "coaches on the field", who have worked hard to develop their "technical skills" and who out think their opponents. And the simple fact is that you can't be a star at this level without having an understanding of the game, elite technical skills, and physical gifts.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Our Kaiya Wynn is a good example. As a freshman, she was a good athlete whose basketball skill set was woefully underdeveloped. She got better every year and was looking pretty well rounded last season (serious bummer about her season ending injury). So coming in, she fit the stereotype but then showed it is not something set in stone or the genes.

This dichotomous framing is an ongoing problem in the world of professional (European) football, where star black players are always "amazing physical specimens," with natural strength and speed, and great "instincts" whereas star white players are always "coaches on the field", who have worked hard to develop their "technical skills" and who out think their opponents. And the simple fact is that you can't be a star at this level without having an understanding of the game, elite technical skills, and physical gifts.

the dichotomy started in my Dad's day...I remember hearing him say that teams had to have a white QB bc they were better at snap decisions,,,sigh.

Then along came Doug Williams and a black QB finally won a superbowl. I always felt Doug Williams opened the door in football,,in the same way that Jackie Robinson opened the door for baseball...Next up was Randall Cunnningham, then the door busted wide open for black QB's

 

[Coach Jumper]

hey @madtownvol you gonna give a serious score prediction?

 

[madtownvol]

hey @madtownvol you gonna give a serious score prediction?

My prediction was serious and don't call me Shirley.

 

[mudcat1973]

Tess is really good at these things. And of course, so is Kim. I think we're all getting a kick out of her approach to interviews. There truly isn't anything I don't like about her.

One of the better post I liked about Tess.

 

[LV renaissance]

Much ado about nothing, imo.

As Caldwell pointed out, coaches do what they can to motivate players, especially during games when things aren't going well. It's the same with coaches posting "bulletin board material" to fire up their team and get them to feel disrespected. Mind games.

Akin to Gene Hackman having the player measure the height of the rims at the state tournament in "Hoosiers."

I took it to mean that the Iowa players shouldn't get overwhelmed by their physical shortcomings and should concentrate on playing their game of sound fundamentals...back door cuts, assists, finding the easiest shot, taking advantage of overplaying, etc. And they did come back and make it anyone's game until the final minutes. It was a contrast of two different styles of basketball.

The Lady Vols did look disjointed and ragged at times; however, the low amount of turnovers given the increased number of possessions and the platooning continues to impress. That wouldn't happen if the team was totally undisciplined and lacked fundamentals.

I really loved both sides of Kim's response. Not only did she nail the part about it being coach speak, she also said something to the effect of loving having great athletes and that is far from being a bad thing. Not many people can take a potentially controversial dig with such poise and nonreactivity. I am glad we have great athletes too! Let's continue to embrace it!

 

[madtownvol]

Much ado about nothing, imo.

As Caldwell pointed out, coaches do what they can to motivate players, especially during games when things aren't going well. It's the same with coaches posting "bulletin board material" to fire up their team and get them to feel disrespected. Mind games.

Akin to Gene Hackman having the player measure the height of the rims at the state tournament in "Hoosiers."

I took it to mean that the Iowa players shouldn't get overwhelmed by their physical shortcomings and should concentrate on playing their game of sound fundamentals...back door cuts, assists, finding the easiest shot, taking advantage of overplaying, etc. And they did come back and make it anyone's game until the final minutes. It was a contrast of two different styles of basketball.

The Lady Vols did look disjointed and ragged at times; however, the low amount of turnovers given the increased number of possessions and the platooning continues to impress. That wouldn't happen if the team was totally undisciplined and lacked fundamentals.

First off, this all goes out the window by next game. I don't think it crossed over to a national issue mainly because CKC chose to douse the embers immediately.

Creating drama does not seem to be her thing at all.

While it is true that coaches will say anything to motivate their team, that does not mean that they should be able to say anything without accountability.

If Jensen had something more along the lines of your paraphrase--if we just play our game and keep our composure when they bring pressure, we can win this one!! -that would have been a fine motivating speech, [On the flipside, I am not sure how motivating it is being told that you are slow, small, plodding and can't jump-- Yeah coach, we aren't athletes, rah, rah].

Let just forget about the potential racial subtext. It is just a really odd implication to say that Spencer, Whitehouse, Cooper aren't basketball players, and by implication that CKC is just coaching them to be "athletes," whereas CKC's main emphasis is on how hard it is to "learn" her system.

Anyway, Ruby was reading their "fundamental" passing lines like an elite safety all game long.

Initially, I did not think too much about Jensen's pep talk but in hindsight, that athlete versus basketball player stereotype maybe rolled off her tongue a little too easily.