Game Thread Lady Vols at Texas

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#302
Orange_Mamba said:
You want to go with Diamond at point guard when she leads the team in TO's. She has more turnovers than assists.
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True.
Diamond did play better this game but had only 1 assist and 3 to's. 8 of 20 from the floor.
Still, saw a spark in her play. She has to play well for a full 40 minutes. Half a game is not enough for the team to win against a decent opponent.
 
#303
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ladyvosl23 said:
We are getting better no one can say it was coaching holly warlick was out coaching Karen every play she called for diamond. Down the stretch they out played us .. if we run on rebounds we would have won. It was a stretch in the game where Jamie launches a three and were up two holly was upset
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Tennessee had the more talented team on the floor. I wouldn't say that Holly was out coaching Karen, but I also won't say that they lost because Holly failed to make the appropriate coaching calls. For the most part, they kept McCarty in check, and she was my biggest concern going into this game.
 
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sccshortstop said:
I pretty much agree. Jordan has played out of position because of the makeup of our team since she has been here. I think she has seemed to get worse offensively each year and I cannot understand why. Great effort and the only time I though HW did go stone on us was in the first quarter when we were getting behind so badly. I think a timeout may have helped but who knows.
I had said we would lose the big 5 out of conference games and I see no reason to change at this time.
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If not PG, what position should Jordan be playing? She can't shoot for sh!t, so that rules out SG, and she can't attack the basket from the perimeter, so that rules out SF.

Cheerleader?
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
You want to go with Diamond at point guard when she leads the team in TO's. She has more turnovers than assists.
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I can live with her at the point with Nared as the focal player on the offense. At the Point Diamond will give me more points than Reynolds ever has and she will play better defense. Down the stretch the player Reynolds was guarding got a couple critical putbacks because she was just looking at the player when the shot went up. Say what you want about DD but when she has a desire to play she balls out.

I believe she needs someone to challenge her and I think Nared has shown (this game at least) that she is willing to do that.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Tennessee had the more talented team on the floor. I wouldn't say that Holly was out coaching Karen, but I also won't say that they lost because Holly failed to make the appropriate coaching calls. For the most part, they kept McCarty in check, and she was my biggest concern going into this game.
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Holly warlick out coached her and no Texas has more talent they have 7 AA on team to our six we missed key rebounds and stop
 
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Amb3096 said:
If not PG, what position should Jordan be playing? She can't shoot for sh!t, so that rules out SG, and she can't attack the basket from the perimeter, so that rules out SF.

Cheerleader?
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Exactly! At this point she needs to become an emotional leader imo, she isn't going to improve her WNBA draft stock (she could if he had a desire to want to produce more but she seems to have a whatever mentality and that's so disheartening).

Give her minutes to MeMe, Middleton, Dunbar, & Harris so that they continue to develop and make your bench even more potent when you get your #1 class on campus next season. Start establish Middleton & Dunbar roles as a 3PT killers, MeMe's role as a defensive specialist and hard worker (Alesha Welch type out of SC) and Harris as a Shot Blocker and rebounder (Kiah Stokes). The talent in there, we have to put them in their place.
 
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#309
I will say this if Mercedes, Diamond, and Jaime showed up every night Jordan not scoring wouldn't be a problem. She's great with assists, rebounds, and keeping turnovers down. She would be a great facilitator type like Lindsay Allen. But not knowing which Diamond shows up or if Mercedes is willing to play up to her potential , really negates her contributions.
 
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ladyvosl23 said:
Holly warlick out coached her and no Texas has more talent they have 7 AA on team to our six we missed key rebounds and stop
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And one of Texas' All-Americans was sitting on the bench in street clothes waiting for her eligibility to start, another is on the bench in street clothes with a concussion (who happens to be the 2nd leading scorer on the team), and the other is just getting into the flow of games after tearing her ACL earlier this year.

If Holly outcoached Karen, then they wouldn't have let Texas regain the lead after closing the gap at the end of the 3rd Q.
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
I will say this if Mercedes, Diamond, and Jaime showed up every night Jordan not scoring wouldn't be a problem. She's great with assists, rebounds, and keeping turnovers down. She would be a great facilitator type like Lindsay Allen. But not knowing which Diamond shows up or if Mercedes is willing to play up to her potential , really negates her contributions.
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Jordan not scoring will always be a problem because Diamond, Jaime and Mercedes cannot carry the team alone against better teams. Even Allen knows to look for her shot if defenses are sagging off her.

D/J/M have to compensate for Jordan's lack of offensive contributions, and she's not that good at the other things that the tradeoff is worth it.
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
I will say this if Mercedes, Diamond, and Jaime showed up every night Jordan not scoring wouldn't be a problem. She's great with assists, rebounds, and keeping turnovers down. She would be a great facilitator type like Lindsay Allen. But not knowing which Diamond shows up or if Mercedes is willing to play up to her potential , really negates her contributions.
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You might be right, but Lindsay Allen can score with the best of them when her team needs her to, so could Niya Johnson, they just didn't have to.

Jordan doesn't do that she knows her players are struggling and she doesn't look to help but stepping up, she continues to try to get them going instead of saying, oh XYZ is struggling let me score a little bit.
 
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#314
We are a team that simply doesn't play well, on both ends, for very long. We're lucky to play well on one end for a short stretch. We held texas scoreless for about the first half of the 3rd quarter, but couldn't score ourselves and only won the quarter by 3 points. So while we played very good defense in the 3rd, the offense was bad. Then in the 4th we reverted back, it seems, to our bad defense--giving up 20+ points. Our goal, defensively, should be to hold opponents to a max of 15 points per quarter. You give up 20, the opponent is on pace for an 80 point game.

Our players simply don't play well enough to win games. We got a good game from Nared, a decent game from DD, and that was about it. Russell had 3 baskets and 8 points--we can't win with only 8 points from her. DD was only 8-20--not good enough. Reynolds had some assists but her shooting was terrible. We lost the game at the FT line--they had 17 free throws, made 13. We made 5 of 9--eight point difference. Not getting to the line is a function of poor ball movement and not attacking the basket. Granted, Texas is big--but one of their regular bigs did not play in the 2nd half. I hate our motion/weave/isolationist offense: It is basically an NBA offense that seems to focus on a few passes around the perimeter followed by someone going 1.v 1 against an opposing defender. Our players are not good enough for an offense like that--and you'd think that Warlick would have scrapped it by now, as we've been running it for years. It sux. Not enough picking/screens, not enough movement, not enough good looks.
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
You want to go with Diamond at point guard when she leads the team in TO's. She has more turnovers than assists.
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You want Nared and Diamond on the wing, but all the point guard does is in this offense, is the initiator of the offense, cos its motion. Reynolds, prolly communicates better than Meme, at the point. The point guard has to be a talker.

Meme @ point. Diamond and Nared on the wing!
 
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#317
RE DD at PG: It can't her to try her there---what's the worst that could happen, another loss?--but I doubt it will work. DD is not an especially good ball handler--she's ok but not great--and I'm skeptical she can help create good shots for others. We'd have to play Nunn at the 4 with DD at the point. And who's the other guard--Jackson? It's a recipe for more bad offense, I think, as Nunn can't score at all, Jackson very little. But as I say, I'd give it go just to see.
 
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mlindsay said:
Exactly! At this point she needs to become an emotional leader imo, she isn't going to improve her WNBA draft stock (she could if he had a desire to want to produce more but she seems to have a whatever mentality and that's so disheartening).

Give her minutes to MeMe, Middleton, Dunbar, & Harris so that they continue to develop and make your bench even more potent when you get your #1 class on campus next season. Start establish Middleton & Dunbar roles as a 3PT killers, MeMe's role as a defensive specialist and hard worker (Alesha Welch type out of SC) and Harris as a Shot Blocker and rebounder (Kiah Stokes). The talent in there, we have to put them in their place.
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Dunbar is not ready. Dunbar is not the answer.

Prolly why they aren't playing...

We are not giving players minutes, just for the sake of giving them minutes, that's a loser mentality. Plus you can't do all that and establish roles, and establish a winning team. Your core group needs as many minutes as they can, to play together.

Holly will prolly go 6 deep at this point, with Jordan and Middleton fighting for the that 7th spot.

Give the players that play hard minutes, and play well together the minutes that's it, and try not to disrupt that as a coach.


Let it go!
 
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Pat4life said:
Harris is not ready. Harris is not the answer.

Dunbar is not ready. Dunbar is not the answer.

We are not giving players minutes, just for the sake of giving them minutes, that's a loser mentality. Plus you can't do all that and establish roles, and establish a team.

Give the players that play hard minutes, that's it.


Let it go!
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I don't care who you try at the point guard moving forward teams are going to be playing zone and no matter who's playing the offense is going to look inept. So you put Diamond or Meme there it's going to give the same results. That's one of the reason we looked better today, because Texas didn't play a zone.
 
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#322
Holly will prolly start Reynolds, if she does, she needs to understand what kind of message she's sending to her team. I get it, you want to build her up, but she's not playing good basketball right now, or you can have 14 losses again with her at the point. Hello?

Change it up, let that senior Reynolds, earn her spot back, with her play in games, not practice.

Next game would be the perfect game to reinforce that, by changing the lineup, and giving those players minutes and starts are based on performance. Not on what they're gonna do.
 
#323
#323
Pat4life said:
Dunbar is not ready. Dunbar is not the answer.

Prolly why they aren't playing...

We are not giving players minutes, just for the sake of giving them minutes, that's a loser mentality. Plus you can't do all that and establish roles, and establish a winning team. Your core group needs as many minutes as they can, to play together.

Holly will prolly go 6 deep at this point, with Jordan and Middleton fighting for the that 7th spot.

Give the players that play hard minutes, and play well together the minutes that's it, and try not to disrupt that as a coach.


Let it go!
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Well what is the answer?

We are 4-4, 4-4!

Yes we played better but this should've probably been a win if not for the poor start.

Reynolds and Nunn are seniors

DD, Russell, Nared, Alexa, & Dunbar are seniors so if Dunbar is not ready how freaking ready is she going to get? Same with Reynolds, wtf more does Holly need to see from Jordan that she (and all of us) haven't already seen?

At this point (and yes the season isn't over but we're going no where fast) what do you have to lose?

Jordan wont be returning, so why not increase the minutes for MeMe, Dunbar, Harris, and Alexa to get them developed and have some sort of a bench leading into next season or we (not me but some of you) will be making excuses as to why these same players aren't ready as juniors and seniors next season (Harris will be a Sophomore)

Let's not wait like we did with Nia Moore (also MeMe and Alexa last season) get nothing out of them in a sense (for 4 seasons in Nia's case) when they could've been ready to go in a big game like Syracuse when you don't have Jordan and Graves and Carter are ineffective.

Why give out scholarships to players who doesn't fit into your plans as it seems to look like the case for Dunbar (too early to tell with Harris).
 
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#324
We need solutions, answers, not more problems or projects. All we need is six or seven players.

If Dunbar and Harris are in the game, for long stretches we will lose those games, simply as that, they are not better than the players in front of them, otherwise they'll be playing.

They are not playing because the staff, feels they are not ready, and we if had more players or a deeper bench Dunbar, Alexa, wouldn't porlly see the court.

Right now.

Meme
Nared
DD
Nunn
Russell

They should get most of the minutes.
 
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#325
Pat4life said:
We need solutions, answers, not more problems or projects. All we need is six or seven players.

If Dunbar and Harris are in the game, are prolly for long stretches we will lose those games, simply as that, they are not better than the players in front of them, otherwise they'll be playing.

They are not playing because the staff, feels they are not ready, and we if had more players or a deeper bench Dunbar, Alexa, wouldn't porlly see the court.

Right now.

Meme
Nared
DD
Nunn
Russell

They should get most of the minutes.
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What minutes are Nunn getting? Those minutes are going to Jordan? and are we winning now? When was our last win? How long ago was that?
 
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