Game Thread Lady Vols at West Virginia

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Coach Jumper said:
I've got nothing against JW,,,proud to have her,,,as a backup for Jordan Horston.
There is no good reason for JH and TK to be sitting the pine on startups.
NO GOOD REASON
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What difference does it make who starts as it is not one or the other but both. Horston is going to play the max minutes but she is also needed to back up the two at least in these early game so Walker is the next best option. If Horston starts still seems to be in the teams best interest for Walker to get the additional minutes available at point guard. As far as Key I don't care if it is her or KK that starts just don't like to see two fours in there one more likely a three. You need a true five in there then you can put a four or a stretch four with them. I agree that starting two players in the post that are not true fives seems to be a mistake. The point guard situation I don't get as both have to play figure it out who starts or whatever anyway you want.
 
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Amb3096 said:
She didn't play PG at her last school, she was off the ball. Walker was a high volume shooter like Simmons was. So she would be learning a new position while adjusting to a much higher level of competition. She hasn't played PG since HS, so it's not a given that she will be able to pick up the nuances of playing PG against tougher competition. One would think that Jordan Horston would be a better option here, since she's overall a more skilled player. We'll see what happens once the SEC play starts and she's going head to head against some elite PGs.
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We don’t have a PG! Did not have one last year either, we had 2’s and 3’s trying to do it.
 
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PG1 said:
We don’t have a PG! Did not have one last year either, we had 2’s and 3’s trying to do it.
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Jazmine Massengill def is not a 2 or 3 as of yet. to have had to rely on her to score would not go well...

Cant discount her turnovers AT ALL but Horston was a league leader in assists.
 
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VA_VOLFAN said:
Jazmine Massengill def is not a 2 or 3 as of yet. to have had to rely on her to score would not go well...

Cant discount her turnovers AT ALL but Horston was a league leader in assists.
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Like I said no PG last year or this year. The season will play out and prove this point.
 
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PG1 said:
Like I said no PG last year or this year. The season will play out and prove this point.
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Let’s hope not let’s hope it turns out well. PG or not as a fan i don’t want to see them fail.

so regardless i am hoping for the best and have some optimism because in the year of 2020 i don’t think i can do anymore negative

I know i know i am probably getting labeled a sunshine pumper but also being in education right now again the positivity is needed 😂
 
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she could make a last second shot or two to end a quarter or a half unless the game was at stake. then she was a non factor.. Afraid to shoot the ball?
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
How quickly they forget.

Jazmine Massengill - Women's Basketball - University of Tennessee Athletics

Not a great shooter but she did have 128 assists and only 49 turnovers. No one will come close to that Assist/Turnover ratio this year.

*** On edit I see others mentioned her name. Still, yes, she was a point guard. Not a great one, but that is what she was.
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LOL I wasn't going to say it, I've said it so many times before. I believe she was third in SEC in assist to t.o. ratio and top 10 assists maybe. Hesitent on offense, both with her own shot and sometimes with getting the offense in motion. Almost overcareful, on a team where turnovers were a huge effing deal that's understandable.

Ironically, I see some of the same hesitance when JH plays point, since T.O.s are a huge effing deal for her also. Terrible for her game which is decidedly unhesitant and why I don't like her having primary ball handling duties right now.
Bballnut1952 said:
More than serviceable doesn't mean great.

I liked her game. She just doesn't shoot well enough. And a year under Holly didn't help.
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But a year under someone else sure did. Massengill made a dramatic improvement btw frosh and soph yrs. Frosh yr under Holly I wondered why she had a schollie. It hurt that Horston didn't get to have that intense in person coaching this off season.
 
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We need Horston, Burrell and Davis each to be at least in the range of 13 to 18 points a game. I just do not see the post scoring much.
 
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glv98 said:
Oh God you know to punch where it hurts. Simmons, a fine kid I'm sure but one of my least fave players of all time. Just is.

So far, JH skills do not include the one most basic to successful PG play. I totally see an argument that she is most likely to develop those skills by just giving her the position and letting her grow into it. That could totally happen, but IMO would mean the continuation of a high-turnover, one on one oriented offense. Sometimes, against some teams JH Burrell and Davis would be able to outscore their turnovers but not on the regular.

Rae has cut down t.o.s somewhat this yr, but I still feel like she's one click away fm a five t.o. game. Davis will always be a high turnover player, Then there's the issue of the woeful hands of our posts. This is not the team with which JH needs to learn a flowy, error free offense IMO.

All to say, you negative nabob, quit pissing on my Walker parade! I need this! I need her to be the magic PG potion. Then slide ole JH to her natural position, 2 guard and let her earn the first of those A-As we've been hearing about.
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This is not a direct response to you, 98. Just wanted to tell you it sure makes me happy seeing you out here. I, and I’m certain, all of us are keeping you ground zero folks in the forefront of our hearts and minds. Three of my eight siblings have now dealt with this awful thing. So far. My 62-year-old, slightly hefty, diabetic baby brother had us quite worried for several days. Hang in there, 98!

The NFL signs Backups ...all the time. It goes with the territory. If Peyton Manning’s on the team, and you’re a quarterback ...newsflash: You’re a backup! Oh, and your annual salary is six, eight ...twelve million dollars. Now, grab that clipboard, son, and have a nice day.

I’m being redundant and a bit facetious here, but it just doesn’t work that way in College! Coach Kellie does NOT recruit backups! That would be the most counterproductive, not to mention, counterintuitive approach imaginable. We are a in a very delicate profile. As things are we could lose to most every opponent on our schedule. She is not toying, but rather trying to assemble the best overall team with the personnel available.

Based on what we knew this summer, I didn’t expect Marta Suárez to start. But, despite the recent awkwardness, she appears a very promising and talented player. Jordan Walker, who was recruited by the elites, I fully expected to play a lot, but not necessarily start. She looks capable, but the nerves appeared to get the best of her early in Morgantown. But, despite the recent, and costly jitters, both Jordan and Marta will prove themselves capable as we move along.

Jordan Horston is, IMO, as talented, if not moreso, than any other Lady Vol basketballer. I expect she will form a very productive trio with Rae and Rennia. But, without a good leader/distributor (as mentioned), we could see our offense erode into a three ring circus. We need STEADY point guard play. At this time, I would roll with Jordan Walker.

I don’t know what our post game will become, but Jordan Horston could actually be at least the short term answer there as well. This is not about Jordan versus Jordan. If that were the case, then I would think Coach Kellie is as bad as some of you think she is.
 
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krichunaka said:
This is not a direct response to you, 98. Just wanted to tell you it sure makes me happy seeing you out here. I, and I’m certain, all of us are keeping you ground zero folks in the forefront of our hearts and minds. Three of my eight siblings have now dealt with this awful thing. So far. My 62-year-old, slightly hefty, diabetic baby brother had us quite worried for several days. Hang in there, 98!
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Thank you. For a long time I semi-regularly read, but didn't have the emotional energy to post. Lately its been a fun diversion again. I'm kind of in a daze most of the time when I'm off; my family would say not unlike my pre-pandemic state. It's every horrible thing you see on TV and much more. Right now, in addition to severe, ongoing PTSD, exhaustion, and frustration, we are in a nightmarish staffing crisis. Less than a quarter of licensed RNs and RTs are able to care for covid patients on vents, rotoprone beds, multiple drips and continuous dialysis and many of them are now gone, So many great bedside caregivers have transferred to easier rolls bc they just can't do it anymore, or are out sick with the virus. The vaccine gives us our first glimmer of hope, pls pray for its success.

Great post on the LVs, I agree with all!
 
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Amb3096 said:
She has. 3 games against P5 schools: Iowa, Rutgers and Michigan. Michigan was the only ranked team, and was somewhere around 20.

5 pts vs Iowa (1-8 from the floor, 1-6 from 3)
4 pts vs. RU (2-9 from the floor, 0-5 from 3)
14 pts vs Michigan (5-21 from the floor, 1-8 from 3)

This comes out to 7.6 ppg shooting 21% from the floor (8-38) and 11% from 3 (2-19). That's compared to her season average last year of 16 ppg, 38.5% from the floor and 31.7% from deep.

Jordan did not show she can play against high level competition at WMU, and that competition will pale in comparison to what she plays against in the SEC (and (OOC against UConn). That's why I'm not sold on her until she shows that she can be a factor against better teams.
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So she has played the "big schools"
 
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glv98 said:
Well that would be odd. Aren't they on the same team? Although there was that horrible time at Vandy when Rennia did actually appear to be defending her own player whilst the 'Dores did a breakaway. So much to choose from, but that viral video may have been the nadir of the Holly years.

Yes, the longer, apparently quicker JH would probably take the one on one matchup (unless she turned the ball over, sorry I had to say it!). So what? To me it shows JH belongs at the off guard position where her scoring spirit is more free to create. I don't like PG as a one on one position, got burned out on it through the last decade of bull through the lane and through up a prayer perimeter players we've had. Much rather have a steady eddy PG who initiates movement and flow. Bonus points if they can nail the occasional timely 3.

I've never understood the need to shoehorn JH in as PG. IMO JH is a creator and scorer, not a decider and distributor. As madtown said, probably that HS player so talented she was PG by default in an offense called get the ball to Jordan and get out of the way. Not working on the regular now. I want JH on the court big minutes, her defense and rebounding alone have been very valuable, but not as primary ball handler.

So best case scenario to me is Walker and Jordan, not against each other but beside ea other at 1 and 2. Of course that would require Walker to be at least adequate at steady eddy PG.
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do y'all perhaps have the viral video or the thread it was in🤣🤣🤣
 
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LadyVols_WBK said:
do y'all perhaps have the viral video or the thread it was in🤣🤣🤣
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Hide your eyes...this probably set women's basketball back at least two decades.

Video memes F1vYqDAS6 by bruhhumor: 129 comments - iFunny :)

The worst part is as that Tennessee's futility at the offensive end and Rennia Davis' moving screen on Zaay Green to clear Vandy's path to the hoop wasn't the worst part; that missed layup at the end was a fitting finish to this sequence.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Hide your eyes...this probably set women's basketball back at least two decades.

Video memes F1vYqDAS6 by bruhhumor: 129 comments - iFunny :)

The worst part is as that Tennessee's futility at the offensive end and Rennia Davis' moving screen on Zaay Green to clear Vandy's path to the hoop wasn't the worst part; that missed layup at the end was a fitting finish to this sequence.
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lmfaaaoo its okay though the men did something very similar in a LONGER VIDEO this NBA szn
 
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#698
Memvol44 said:
We were in it till the end.....
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So you are saying playing weak teams gives us enough team chemistry to stay in the game til the end against average teams from the Big 12. We need battle tested players to have us in the game with 4 mins to go vs the SEC top 4 unless you are ok with 4th or 5th in the Conf.
 
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Memvol44 said:
You don't like the schedule,you want Emily to transfer,Walker is no good...gee..why do you watch the Lady Vols for???
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Yes I would love to see a player actually go play somewhere she can start and play well. Cupcakes only pad the win total and I never said anything about Walker I just said we don’t have a quality PG. Sorry if you think any of that is untrue.
 
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