Game Thread Lady Vols vs Texas

#76
#76
teacherdean said:
you have got to hear Holly's interview after the disaster at Mocs' house. First she mostly blamed the players for playing bad. Why did't she call timeouts when things started going South like Foster did with the Mocs? She interviews worse than any big time coach I have ever heard. With Her voice and mannerism do you feel Holly has the skill set to motivate these ladies?
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No, she is horrible. Every time I see her in an interview it sounds like she is on the verge of tears. Unfortunately our team plays that way too. Very fragile.
 
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#82
#82
This is a game thread. If you guys/gals want to have a true fan discussion, start a thread for it. There's no reason to keep derailing every thread with the same discussion over and over.

And please refrain from name-calling. It adds nothing to the discussion. If you all will use the report button, I will deal with those who are unable to remain civil.

Thanks. :hi:
 
#83
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ivyleague said:
I think that you are under the impression that you know more than you actually do. Wednesday's game was not Holly's best coaching effort. A good deal of the blame can be laid at her feet, but not all of it, and certainly not enough to warrant kicking her to the curb. Get over yourself. Either support the team and the coaching staff, or find another team whose record and style are more to your liking. It's really quite simple, actually.
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You keep telling us what we already know!!
 
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Here is what I think. I think if the team -- the TEAM, not just the coach -- makes wise decisions tonight and if those playing can actually make shots, pull down rebounds, and defend as they are capable of (notice a lot of this is on the players' shoulders, not Holly's or her staff's), Tennessee will win. I think if Harrison plays and isn't incredibly rusty or still in pain, Tennessee can win handily. I think if shots don't fall and if Harrison is unavailable, Tennessee will quite possibly lose. Coaching is important. Being able to actually make shots, get rebounds, and defend is even more important. Tonight's outcome is primarily in the hands of the women on the court, not the one on the sideline.
 
#87
#87
Holly never puts players out there that can make shots. Look at the stats look at Burdick's career numbers. Look at Reynold's career numbers. Your not going to make shots if you've never been a great shooter. To many players getting huge minutes that are offensive liabilities. To many players that can't guard anybody. Coach has to narrow it down go by what the stats tell you about players. You certainly can still lose any game but your percentages go way up when you put the players out there that have the ability in the first place.
 
#88
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Volfan2012 said:
Holly never puts players out there that can make shots. Look at the stats look at Burdick's career numbers. Look at Reynold's career numbers. Your not going to make shots if you've never been a great shooter. To many players getting huge minutes that are offensive liabilities. To many players that can't guard anybody. Coach has to narrow it down go by what the stats tell you about players. You certainly can still lose any game but your percentages go way up when you put the players out there that have the ability in the first place.
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Burdick and Reynolds have not proven to be great shooters, but they both have upsides outside of shooting ability. Burdick is (can be) a great rebounder. Reynolds is a great floor leader and has proven to be an excellent passer. She is a large part of why the Lady Vols won the SEC tournament final against UK last season. That said, I think both need to come off the bench. I'd start Massengale over Reynolds and Jones over Burdick. I also wonder what might transpire if both Moore and Harrison were on the floor at the same time (especially against Texas's size). Moore has had some good games and can make shots, but she doesn't appear to be incredibly strong.
 
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ivyleague said:
Burdick and Reynolds have not proven to be great shooters, but they both have upsides outside of shooting ability. Burdick is (can be) a great rebounder. Reynolds is a great floor leader and has proven to be an excellent passer. She is a large part of why the Lady Vols won the SEC tournament final against UK last season. That said, I think both need to come off the bench. I'd start Massengale over Reynolds and Jones over Burdick. I also wonder what might transpire if both Moore and Harrison were on the floor at the same time (especially against Texas's size). Moore has had some good games and can make shots, but she doesn't appear to be incredibly strong.
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They definitely need to play a role not the role they are playing now. They are certainly both qualified for a backup role of 10 to 15 minutes per game.
 
#91
#91
I just would like to see improvements. Remember it is Holly talking about lack of motivation. It is Holly talking about mistakes. It is Holly talking about being out rebounded. It is Holly talking about poor defense. My question is who has the cure? It is not automatic or incredible corrects its self. It has to be in a great part coaching. Someone has to accept responsibility, who will stand up and stand out?

By the way, if you compare benches, on paper, The Lady Vols. should beat Texas. It will only be a surprise if the Ladies get their butts seriously kicked to the curb.
 
#92
#92
teacherdean said:
By the way, if you compare benches, on paper, The Lady Vols. should beat Texas. It will only be a surprise if the Ladies get their butts seriously kicked to the curb.
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If games were played on paper, the Lady Vols would have beat UTC by 30. It's really hard to see them winning this one against a real team in a hostile environment....
 
#93
#93
teacherdean said:
I just would like to see improvements. Remember it is Holly talking about lack of motivation. It is Holly talking about mistakes. It is Holly talking about being out rebounded. It is Holly talking about poor defense. My question is who has the cure? It is not automatic or incredible corrects its self. It has to be in a great part coaching. Someone has to accept responsibility, who will stand up and stand out?

By the way, if you compare benches, on paper, The Lady Vols. should beat Texas. It will only be a surprise if the Ladies get their butts seriously kicked to the curb.
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I think you bench the problems and put other players ahead of them. It is one thing to understand the problems and another to do anything about it. What I see is the same players that she is suspecting or saying have no motivation are the same people that she continues to let play. This is nothing new has been going on all three seasons that Holly has been coach. They play when they want to and take a game off when they don't feel like giving effort.
 
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#94
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Volfan2012 said:
I think you bench the problems and put other players ahead of them. It is one thing to understand the problems and another to do anything about it. What I see is the same players that she is suspecting or saying have no motivation are the same people that she continues to let play. This is nothing new has been going on all three seasons that Holly has been coach. They play when they want to and take a game off when they don't feel like giving effort.
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I think that Graves will flourish in the right line up. She needs a line up where there are other scorers on the court so that she can free herself up. If you put her on the court at the same time as Carter, Reynolds and Burdick, you might as well take her out back and shoot her. If she's on the court with Massengale, Nared/Dunbar and Reynolds (she can be the distributor with 4 scorers), she will thrive because she doesn't have to force the issue.

Reynolds and Carter play important roles for the team, but they should not be the starting backcourt. Their individual strengths do not complement the other's weaknesses. Pick one of them and put Massengale in as the other starting guard.

Burdick...well, every team needs a practice player, and that's about all she can contribute at this point in her career. She shouldn't be playing, period.
 
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#95
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Volfan2012 said:
I think you bench the problems and put other players ahead of them. It is one thing to understand the problems and another to do anything about it. What I see is the same players that she is suspecting or saying have no motivation are the same people that she continues to let play. This is nothing new has been going on all three seasons that Holly has been coach. They play when they want to and take a game off when they don't feel like giving effort.
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You're right,Volfan. To me,Holly's biggest failing thus far is that she doesn't demand excellence from her players,just let's them do their own thing,seemingly. Once a player knows there is no consequence for lethargic uninspired play she lacks incentive to improve. Some Lady Vols should become very much acquainted with the bench at the start of today's game. Subpar performances should be an aberration for this team,but have become normal occurrences. All that aside,today's performance should be much better. Go Lady Vols
 
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#96
The thing with Burdick is she is probably a great practice player and those kinds of players win starting positions. She hustles, is vocal, and probably shoots well in practice. Any of us who have played sports recognizes this type of player. But, when she gets into a game her brain seems to freeze up. If you are working the ball through her on offense that is a serious mistake because she isn't a reliable passer, she can't dribble drive very well, she doesn't shoot well, and no one on the team seems to recognize what she is doing so it stagnates the offensive flow. If however, you don't work the ball through her but let her get rebounds, mop up, grapple, the type of things she does well then the offense will work much better. Same with Graves-if you are feeding her the ball down low in that she is the one you are primarily working the ball to then she is going to struggle. However, if you feed it to Moore and let Graves fight for rebounds and put backs then she will do well. Also, Holly has to keep a good three point shooter in the game like Mass, Nared, Middleton, or Dunbar and keep working the drive and dish with Reynolds and Carter-dish to Moore or Graves or dish out for the 3 point shot. There never seems to be a rhyme or reason to Holly's offense once they get into the half court. Good teams like Texas and Stanford aren't going to let us run against them. So, we have to run effective half court. Finally, Holly has to jerk any player who is not defending. You don't play lock down defense and you immediately sit the bench. Tirade over.
 
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#98
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Sandvol said:
The thing with Burdick is she is probably a great practice player and those kinds of players win starting positions. She hustles, is vocal, and probably shoots well in practice. Any of us who have played sports recognizes this type of player. But, when she gets into a game her brain seems to freeze up. If you are working the ball through her on offense that is a serious mistake because she isn't a reliable passer, she can't dribble drive very well, she doesn't shoot well, and no one on the team seems to recognize what she is doing so it stagnates the offensive flow. If however, you don't work the ball through her but let her get rebounds, mop up, grapple, the type of things she does well then the offense will work much better. Same with Graves-if you are feeding her the ball down low in that she is the one you are primarily working the ball to then she is going to struggle. However, if you feed it to Moore and let Graves fight for rebounds and put backs then she will do well. Also, Holly has to keep a good three point shooter in the game like Mass, Nared, Middleton, or Dunbar and keep working the drive and dish with Reynolds and Carter-dish to Moore or Graves or dish out for the 3 point shot. There never seems to be a rhyme or reason to Holly's offense once they get into the half court. Good teams like Texas and Stanford aren't going to let us run against them. So, we have to run effective half court. Finally, Holly has to jerk any player who is not defending. You don't play lock down defense and you immediately sit the bench. Tirade over.
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That's just it with Burdick. I've heard that she's a great practice performer, but to say that her game results are inconsistent is probably being generous. The reality is that she's a senior, and that ship has sailed. There are 2 freshmen on the team who play the same position, and have 3+ years to provide valuable contributions to the team. Burdick should not be taking 1 second of court time away from those two. Her time is passed
 
#99
#99
AllforTenn said:
Oh, let him/her rant and maybe get some satisfaction from it.
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Don't chastise me for saying what every fan who took the trip were saying, that was bad lady vols basketball and that is unacceptable. One game a season is all you get cos that game came be the difference for #1 seed or #2. smh fans huh Wins cures everything but a lost to UTC blindsided everyone. I hope they compete today. Go lady vols, so anxious for today's game.

None of us gain any satisfaction from a Lady Vols' lost, especially in the manner we lost, we didnt even fight, I mean that performance hurts, and its unacceptable.
 
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#100
#100
Pat4life said:
Don't chastise me for saying what every fan who took the trip were saying, that was bad lady vols basketball and that is unacceptable. One game a season is all you get cos that game came be the difference for #1 seed or #2. smh fans huh
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