Game Thread: Lady Vols Vs Vandy ; Sun Jan 19th ; Away game; 3 PM Eastern; SEC+

#876
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glv98 said:
LOL I realize nothing changes your narrative. It's not the staff that gets the short end of a virtual visit, and indeed the same staff landed Jill after a real visit. But when your facilities are as good as ours, they need to be seen. Both Jewel and Destinee Wells said they knew the minute they saw the locker room, both committed on their visits.

Not sure why it's so hard to say that like most things in adult life "it" was all of the above. Obviously the staff didn't connect well, but also NIL problems, bad luck and bad timing played a role.
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I don’t disagree that the facilities are greater than Kellies ability to recruit/close/win. It’s the excuses that fans will continually make as if she was somehow wronged or the victim of her own failures.

Had the staff been able to connect and win, the rest takes care of itself.
 
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Back to the game.

IMO the LVs, and their coach, are searching for an identity. Who are we when the press isn't producing t.o.s and the 3s aren't falling? We have the same debate on this board every time we lose or get behind in a game. Some say quit jacking 3s and get to the rim (that's exactly what CKC said post game) and quit over playing on D and just fall back (CKC had rather lose a limb than ever say that). Others say no way, that would be abandoning our core system of record breaking 3 attempt, extra shots and extra possesions.

CKC, who is just learning to coach at this level, seems to answer by going kind of half ass. She's called out her team for quick shooting 3s all year but they still seem confused on exactly what a quick shot is and isn't within the system. Jewel called it a "fine line" which is hard to figure out. When the balls to the wall press isn't working, she answers with a weak sister, trot along beside them press. She continues to line sub even though the starters are now playing starter mins (30+), just in a very broken up, flowless pattern.

None of this is unexpected nor an indictment of the coach or the system. We knew there would be growing pains for both. CKC said in the presser she believes she could fix it if she had enough consectutive practices to work with. Welcome to the big girl SEC season, you won't be getting that.

I still think the current LVs and staff have the smarts, the talent, and the resources to work this all out and be a nightmare in March. Just wish they didn't have such a brutal stretch coming up in which to find themselves.
 
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1morevol said:
Rebounds and turnovers were practically even so the LVs did not have their usual shots attempted margin. Couple that with miserable shooting, 23% on 3pt attempts in particular, plus a minus -6 on free throws and you have the perfect recipe for defeating the Lady Vols and any other team, regardless of their system. Vandy did not shoot particularly well either, resulting in a very tight game. Games like this happen over the course of a season. Go Lady Vols, I'm still on board because it's the only train I ride. I didn't watch or listen to the game. How did the LVs defend that last 6 seconds?
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They defended great just didn't box out on the rebound. 🥺
 
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volsagain said:
They defended great just didn't box out on the rebound. 🥺
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Nah. Zee sort of slipped (happened alot throughout the game), there was no help, and Pierre got an open shot she should have made. Then no one boxed out ( a tweet shows 3 LVs standing around the ft line just watching) and the super athletic Blakes flew in unchecked and tipped in the miss. Complete defensive cluster on the most crucial play of the game.
 
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Interesting tidbit related to the game, the 5’10 guard that scored the putback for Vandy is one of several current SEC, Big Ten, and ACC freshmen or sophomores that were beaten by 2025 elite commits Mia/Mya Pauldo and Morris Catholic. The Pauldo twins/MC is currently nationally ranked and undefeated after an incredible Hoophall Classic showing. They haven’t loss a game to a NJ school in two years.
Let CKC cook.
GBO!
 
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I think if I were Kim I'd have a short meeting before practice today to ask them each to give some serious thought later tonight about what they think, specifically, is causing the shooting problems, the struggle sometimes to stay in front of their target on defense, the occasional lapses in focus, and what Kim has implied is an occasional disconnect between what they do in practice as opposed to what they do in a game.

Then we'd take a day off practice and spend time talking about things as adults, instead.

I kinda feel like if Coach Caldwell approached them with a spirit of non-judgement and genuine interest in what they REALLY think and see for themselves about "the system" and how they feel it's going for them, she might be surprised by what they say. And depending on whether they're honest and forthright with their thoughts, she might be able to make a few tweaks in response to their input that really helps them going forward.

Obviously the coach is the coach, the players are the players, and the coach has to have the last word. But at this point I think the players need and deserve an opportunity to give their own honest assessment of why they think the breakdowns are occurring.

I mean, are they just plain tired or mentally exhausted by this system of play? Does the helter-skelter substitution pattern affect their ability to focus? Are their defensive and rebounding lapses due to being paranoid about getting into foul trouble? Are they unclear about what "a good shot" actually is? Do they truly believe in the system they are playing in? If they could change one thing about it, what would they change? What do they think the staff could do that would help them most to be successful going forward? Back off a bit? Be more demanding? Let them eat more pizza? What? lol

Anyway, there are lots of questions I'd be interested in getting my players' honest answers to if I were Kim. The players definitely have thoughts and opinions. I'd be asking.
 
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Until they decide to make defense and rebounding a priority this will be the outcome EVERYTIME u cannot get by in this league without those 2 things.....literally every lost has come down to those 2 things just when you think they grew up a bit then boom this....this is a very good ball club no denying that but they have to want to do it consistently...as much as we sub there is no reason to be this inconsistent and lackluster on the defensive end...we gone find out starting thursday what we made of cuz im not high on texas at all and i think we can get them but i wasnt high on vandy,oklahoma,or lsu either
 
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lvocd said:
I think if I were Kim I'd have a short meeting before practice today to ask them each to give some serious thought later tonight about what they think, specifically, is causing the shooting problems, the struggle sometimes to stay in front of their target on defense, the occasional lapses in focus, and what Kim has implied is an occasional disconnect between what the do in practice as opposed to what the do in a game.

Then we'd take a day off practice and spend time talking about things as adults, instead.

I kinda feel like if Coach Caldwell approached them with a spirit of non-judgement and genuine interest in what they REALLY think and see for themselves about "the system" and how they feel it's going for them, she might be surprised by what they say. And depending on whether they're honest and forthright with their thoughts, she might be able to make a few tweaks in response to their input that really helps them going forward.

Obviously the coach is the coach, the players are the players, and the coach has to have the last word. But at this point I think the players need and deserve an opportunity to give their own honest assessment of why they think the breakdowns are occurring.

I mean, are they just plain tired or mentally exhausted by this system of play? Does the helter-skelter substitution pattern affect their ability to focus? Are their defensive and rebounding lapses due to being paranoid about getting into foul trouble? Are they unclear about what "a good shot" actually is? Do they truly believe in the system they are playing in? If they could change one thing about it, what would they change? What do they think the staff could do that would help them most to be successful going forward? Back off a bit? Be more demanding? Let them eat more pizza? What? lol

Anyway, there are lots of questions I'd be interested in getting my players' honest answers to if I were Kim. The players definitely have thoughts and opinions. I'd be asking.
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Great post, but I'm just waiting for the first "Pat would make em run til they puke" post.

I believe, and hope, alot of the very judgemental things CKC says in pressers are just Mean Chipmunk/Coach Speak. I mean if she really thinks players are randomly "taking plays off" why are they still playing 30+ mins? Pat woulda never! Probably more gentle and constructive takes like being tired (a bug of the system), new to the system, and most of all confused, are aready happening behind the scenes.

BC I'm never above beating a long dead horse, would have helped figure this all out sooner if they had been challenged at all in the non conf sched.
 
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When we start thinking about the first half of the game like the second half were going to win most of the games we have left. We won the second half 44 to 34 came out with the energy we should've had in the first half. Came out with the game plan we should've had in the first half. Texas next and I think were going to give them a very good game. Luck be with us we could win one in the last minute instead of losing.
 
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Rons1989 said:
Until they decide to make defense and rebounding a priority this will be the outcome EVERYTIME
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I'm always curious, at what point do think they "decide" not to make these a priority? At shootaround? The team meal? On the spot on the court in the moment? "Yeah everyone I know is watching this on tv but I'm just gonna slack on this crucial play cuz I'm not feeling it"? Is it like that late night snack you know you don't need but just can't resist? What makes a high profile D1 athlete make such a self-defeating decision?
 
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glv98 said:
Nah. Zee sort of slipped (happened alot throughout the game), there was no help, and Pierre got an open shot she should have made. Then no one boxed out ( a tweet shows 3 LVs standing around the ft line just watching) and the super athletic Blakes flew in unchecked and tipped in the miss. Complete defensive cluster on the most crucial play of the game.
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Yep was watching instead of finishing the job. Probably afraid they would get called for a foul . That's no excuse.... The floor did seem slick noticed it in the men's game also. Hope these Ladies have learned from there 3 losses.
 
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lvocd said:
I kinda feel like if Coach Caldwell approached them with a spirit of non-judgement and genuine interest in what they REALLY think and see for themselves about "the system" and how they feel it's going for them, she might be surprised by what they say. And depending on whether they're honest and forthright with their thoughts, she might be able to make a few tweaks in response to their input that really helps them going forward.
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Bad idea...Coaching is a dictatorship and has to be...when you make coaching decisions and influences a democracy with the players you give them a sense of control.
glv98 said:
BC I'm never above beating a long dead horse, would have helped figure this all out sooner if they had been challenged at all in the non conf sched.
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The non conf schedule was an influence until the Okla, LSU and Vandy games,,,now they are the influences
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When we start thinking about the first half of the game like the second half were going to win most of the games we have left. We won the second half 44 to 34 came out with the energy we should've had in the first half. Came out with the game plan we should've had in the first half. Texas next and I think were going to give them a very good game. Luck be with us we could win one in the last minute instead of losing.
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I don't believe it was energy,,,it was direction
In Q1 thenumber of 3's and the 2's were almost equal by my recollection and in Q2 the 3's were more than 2/3's of our shots even though we were O-for for the entire quarter...In Q3 we shot 75% or better from inside the arc
glv98 said:
What makes a high profile D1 athlete make such a self-defeating decision?
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Simple...the "here we go again" phenomena.

I am about to rewatch the entire game,,,from a purely scouting/coach's perspective,,,since I know the outcome and have no emotion dictating my focus,,,I can see it clearly,,,,granted, from the limited views of a tv
 
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Coach Jumper said:
He is a fan, but a fan of the prior staff who pretty clearly wants this staff to fail,,,,but no doubt he IS a fan,,,I know him personally, not well, but enough to say what I say
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The minute he called his self a former fan he lost the credibility to come on here and criticize anything in my opinion.
 
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re my rewatching the game,,,imagine these scenarios

Starters on the floor,,,1 min 2 secs 3 subs come in (not bc of a run),,,that group plays for 2-1/2 mins...conclusion: working to be a starter means nothing!

5:46 five subs come in...5:22 3 subs come in...24 seconds on the floor!

Vandy player drives and the help-defender doesn't even hint at moving to cut it off

I don't need to watch a single moment further from here. Or I will feel the same frustration this team HAS to be feeling
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Simple...the "here we go again" phenomena.
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seems like "here we go again" would lead one to make a different decision this time. Why repeat the mistake if you recognize it?

Bottom line: consistency in focus, execution, and recognition are skills just like shooting and dribbling. Have to be learned and only the very best players perfect it. Esp hard for very athletic players who have always gotten by on superior athletic skills. But lack of these skills is not a conscious choice nor naughty behavior. Usually not correctable thru punishment.
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The non conf schedule was an influence
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Sugar high.
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onclusion: working to be a starter means nothing!
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CKC has said that til she's blue in the face, except for possible practice performance.
 
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glv98 said:
Nah. Zee sort of slipped (happened alot throughout the game), there was no help, and Pierre got an open shot she should have made. Then no one boxed out ( a tweet shows 3 LVs standing around the ft line just watching) and the super athletic Blakes flew in unchecked and tipped in the miss. Complete defensive cluster on the most crucial play of the game.
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Exactly Correct. Spencer I think, was guarding the girl that threw the ball inbounds, and like you said, no box out and stood and watched as the Vandy player went around her and made the tip in.
 
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