Game Thread - Tennessee Lady Vols vs #2 Shady Trees & Referees

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turbovol said:
As we've seen so many times in recent years, we folded down the stretch. Played well for 3 quarters and then fell apart in the 4th, on both ends of the court. We got outscored 24-12 in the 4th quarter, which was GAME.

---WHAT is with Harper? While we played relatively well for 3 quarters, she continues to play too many people: we had 10 players with 9 or more minutes of action in the game. She is running so many different players in and out of games constantly that I have no idea how we have any continuity. For example, Puckett played 17 minutes in the first half--7 minutes first quarter, 10 minutes second quarter. And so how many minutes did she play in the 3rd quarter? Answer: ZERO! So when she does get put in the game in the 4th quarter, when the wheels are starting to come off, she is cold and anxious and missed a shot or two. She played 17 minutes in the first half, 4 minutes in the 2nd. That makes NO SENSE.

Walker, meanwhile, played 24 minutes--3rd most on the team--and was a --18 for the game. We are not going to beat anybody good if Walker is playing a lot. For some reason Harper has not grasped that reality.

----Darby made a 3 early in the 3rd quarter--and that was our last 3 of the game. Puckett had 3 treys in the first half, hardly played in the 2nd half. Oh, my. We ended with 4 made 3s. I'll continue to say it: You're not going to beat good teams making only 4 three's.

---We play too much 1v
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Played too many players and still looked gassed.
 
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The Lady Vols looked surprisingly focused and mindful for three quarters, which is different than many of our teams since Pat we play a really important game. It started to change near the end of the 3rd quarter when we took some rushed shots when we didn't have to. Then you saw the tightness kick in, with people just heaving the ball up quickly without any ball movement or team work on offense. Jordan, who has improved immensely each year, still has one more step to become the first team all American player that is within her grasp: The greatest get their most focused toward the end of the game whereas she will give great effort but often gets tight and loses focus in the 4th quarter. This is not at all to blame her for the loss, as it would not have been close if Jordan didn't play so great overall.

In the 4rth Quarter, we fell in love with the approach to draw a foul on their center Brink. This might have been an okay idea but when it repeatedly failed we needed to get more diverse in our offense again. I was at least relieved to her recognize postgame that poor shot selection, rushed shots, and poor ball movement is what happened in the 4th. Too bad she didn't call timeouts to pull us out of the rut. Instead, she called two meaningless timeouts when we down by 10 in the last minute. This continues to be an enigma.

Congratulations are due for the first Lady Vol team ever to have single digit turnovers for 3 straight games. Just 5 turnovers on the road versus Standford in amazing. We would have been able to take full advantage of this if we had more assists, but we just had 5. Still, I like the trend of drastic improvement in the area that has hounded KJH since she has been a coach at Tennessee.

I said in another post that losing by single digits at Standford might be a confidence booster. While the way we lost at the end sure didn't feel that way at that moment, I do think this could be the case. Rickea echoed this sentiment in the postgame. I think we be favored in several games in a row until we play UCONN and LSU late January. If Rickea and Powell earn back their starting positions back, I still see us going on a roll in the SEC,
 
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Majors said:
Played too many players and still looked gassed.
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Agree. I thought we looked really tired in the 4th qtr. And all the thing that happen when we play tired happened. Too much hero ball and JH misses easy shots. Guards overdrive and get brutally stuffed. Previously hot outside shooters get thrown in ice cold after chillin on the bench. We really broke down late, partially due to Stanford dialing it up.

The depth and rotation gives, and the depth and rotation taketh away. Hot players like Sara get put in the ice bucket. Marta made shots today, but they weren't great shots still, the odds just played out for her. I thought the underuse of Puckett was the biggest coaching goof up that the coaches could control.

The biggest one the coaches couldn't have really controlled was the use of RJ. Her foul situation (plus apparently a winded incident) kept her from the prolonged play she so needed. That falling domino is why JH was tired and missing shots late. She played 35 mins and RJ 19. If RJ plays 25+, pressure is off JH. Great as she is, when JH is tired and under pressure she is not the same player.

The rotation fortunately gave us fouls to give in the post. But it also gave us no one really able to guard Brink. I would have liked to have seen more of Hollingshead. Much as Franklin contributes, she's too short and way too limited with the knee to guard an athletic post like Punkie Brink.

5 turnovers against elite competition who pressed a little is another really good takeaway.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Striplin had some nice moves, but she’s gonna struggle against teams with size and skill in the post. Zero blocks today shows how much the interior defense suffers without Key.
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That is true. We don't have a rim protector against a team the size of Stanford.

Thank goodness, we are almost to the SEC where we matchup better.

I haven't looked at box score. But, we limited minutes for Miles, Pissott, and Wynn, In my opinion, the other ten primary players are stronger right now.

Karo, Horston, Buckett, Walker, Darby are a good starting team. They play very well together.

Franklin, Jill, Su help in the middle.

RJ gives us energy and points off bench.

Powell is the equal of Walker on the point.

I thought it was a good sub pattern dictated by the game. Stanford probably played ten deep as well. Most in SEC can't do that.
 
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Majors said:
Played too many players and still looked gassed.
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I was just about to post the same thing. I remarked to my daughter during one of the free throws that Stanford's players were not breathing hard compared to ours even though they were each playing more minutes. I have noticed this often during the year, but thought maybe Key's problem explained much of it since I didn't really catch which players it was each time.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Uh. Puckett started second half. Picked up her third foul nine seconds into the quarter and was rightfully replaced by Rickea.
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Well, that explains a lot--didn't see her start the 3rd--but doesn't explain why she played only 4 minutes in the 2nd half. And why would you keep her out the entire 3rd quarter. Players have to learn to play with fouls--it's basic.

Why was Jackson so winded? Has she got a health issue?
 
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LV renaissance said:
The Lady Vols looked surprisingly focused and mindful for three quarters, which is different than many of our teams since Pat we play a really important game. It started to change near the end of the 3rd quarter when we took some rushed shots when we didn't have to. Then you saw the tightness kick in, with people just heaving the ball up quickly without any ball movement or team work on offense. Jordan, who has improved immensely each year, still has one more step to become the first team all American player that is within her grasp: The greatest get their most focused toward the end of the game whereas she will give great effort but often gets tight and loses focus in the 4th quarter. This is not at all to blame her for the loss, as it would not have been close if Jordan didn't play so great overall.

In the 4rth Quarter, we fell in love with the approach to draw a foul on their center Brink. This might have been an okay idea but when it repeatedly failed we needed to get more diverse in our offense again. I was at least relieved to her recognize postgame that poor shot selection, rushed shots, and poor ball movement is what happened in the 4th. Too bad she didn't call timeouts to pull us out of the rut. Instead, she called two meaningless timeouts when we down by 10 in the last minute. This continues to be an enigma.

Congratulations are due for the first Lady Vol team ever to have single digit turnovers for 3 straight games. Just 5 turnovers on the road versus Standford in amazing. We would have been able to take full advantage of this if we had more assists, but we just had 5. Still, I like the trend of drastic improvement in the area that has hounded KJH since she has been a coach at Tennessee.

I said in another post that losing by single digits at Standford might be a confidence booster. While the way we lost at the end sure didn't feel that way at that moment, I do think this could be the case. Rickea echoed this sentiment in the postgame. I think we be favored in several games in a row until we play UCONN and LSU late January. If Rickea and Powell earn back their starting positions back, I still see us going on a roll in the SEC,
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Kellie did call one timeout when Stanford scored the first four points of their run.

After they scored another 4-6, I wanted her to burn a second one.
 
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glv98 said:
Oh, was that before or after they "chewed her out"?

Just piss me off so much when people try to gaslight me when I just watched the thing NOT happen on national TV.
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You piss me off also .I was not gas lighting and Abby Conkin is the best of all sources ? If she was taken out due to being tired whose fault is that ? That was rhetorical ...the answer is the fact that she and other are shuffled in and out so often there must be out of shape due to playing only in short spurts.By the way I watched the whole thing myself also .
 
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glv98 said:
Agree. I thought we looked really tired in the 4th qtr. And all the thing that happen when we play tired happened. Too much hero ball and JH misses easy shots. Guards overdrive and get brutally stuffed. Previously hot outside shooters get thrown in ice cold after chillin on the bench. We really broke down late, partially due to Stanford dialing it up.

The depth and rotation gives, and the depth and rotation taketh away. Hot players like Sara get put in the ice bucket. Marta made shots today, but they weren't great shots still, the odds just played out for her. I thought the underuse of Puckett was the biggest coaching goof up that the coaches could control.

The biggest one the coaches couldn't have really controlled was the use of RJ. Her foul situation (plus apparently a winded incident) kept her from the prolonged play she so needed. That falling domino is why JH was tired and missing shots late. She played 35 mins and RJ 19. If RJ plays 25+, pressure is off JH. Great as she is, when JH is tired and under pressure she is not the same player.

The rotation fortunately gave us fouls to give in the post. But it also gave us no one really able to guard Brink. I would have liked to have seen more of Hollingshead. Much as Franklin contributes, she's too short and way too limited with the knee to guard an athletic post like Punkie Brink.

5 turnovers against elite competition who pressed a little is another really good takeaway.
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You know i finally gave credit to kellie earlier in this thread because i felt she finally got it with the rotations they were spot on in the fist half......not going to lie i do love the starting lineup because it gives horston space to move around with the shooters i think we should keep that lineup going forward.....jackson should most def be getting starters mins ALL THE TIMES especially when games are close like this otherwise i dnt see a problem....n lets face it theres only 2 teams that provide problems for us and hve depth like we do n thats south carolina and stanford and without brink they were dead in the water 27-7 i think in bench points for us so we getting there......i do think we go on a win streak in conference tho
 
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Voluble2 said:
I was just about to post the same thing. I remarked to my daughter during one of the free throws that Stanford's players were not breathing hard compared to ours even though they were each playing more minutes. I have noticed this often during the year, but thought maybe Key's problem explained much of it since I didn't really catch which players it was each time.
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Stanford is taller and thinner. We have some more solid bodies to muscle tall sticks. But, the dang ref's was overprotecting Brink (sp?).

The good news...we have ten really good players to rotate for breathers and foul problems.

I would like to play them again on a neutral court with SEC officials letting us use our leg muscles.

Hope to meet them in Final 4.
 
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Rons1989 said:
You know i finally gave credit to kellie earlier in this thread because i felt she finally got it with the rotations they were spot on in the fist half......not going to lie i do love the starting lineup because it gives horston space to move around with the shooters i think we should keep that lineup going forward.....jackson should most def be getting starters mins ALL THE TIMES especially when games are close like this otherwise i dnt see a problem....n lets face it theres only 2 teams that provide problems for us and hve depth like we do n thats south carolina and stanford and without brink they were dead in the water 27-7 i think in bench points for us so we getting there......i do think we go on a win streak in conference tho
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Yes, I think RJ should get starter minutes. But, that first five lineup is pretty darn good. They create great spacing which gives Horston a chance to get game off to strong start. Then when defense collapses, Darby or Buckett or Karo (from top of key) can hit 3-balls.
 
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We got called for at least a dozen phantom foul calls...I rewatched game and some fouls never happened, but were called and the announcers kept talking about sewing or whatever....

If we touched them it was a foul on us....They knocked the hell out of us several times and no call...Brink was the main bruiser...She was protected when she was needed..

Our pg's have to stop driving into the lane to have their shot knocked out like a volleyball....Kick the damn ball out to a wing shooter waiting for the kick out pass..

Kellie get off your butt and get a damn technical...Your girls were being brutalized and you just sit there again....Inexcusable!

I would never go back to Stanford again...The refs will see to it we lose...

No moral victory, it was just another damn loss.
 
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turbovol said:
Why was Jackson so winded? Has she got a health issue?
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Lots of respiratory stuff going around right now.
alexvol said:
You piss me off also .I was not gas lighting and Abby Conkin is the best of all sources ? If she was taken out due to being tired whose fault is that ? That was rhetorical ...the answer is the fact that she and other are shuffled in and out so often there must be out of shape due to playing only in short spurts.By the way I watched the whole thing myself also .
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Gonna say Abby Conklin sitting behind the bench is possibly a bit better source than you watching on TV and salivating over being able to throw gas on a fire, even if it's completely made up. So the focus gets changed to why she was winded now? Pls give us time stamp as to when "the chewing out" occurred.

You either made that up or saw it that way bc you're so eager to National Enquirer the story. It simply did not happen, and for the love of God the whole country saw that it didn't. And yet, you persist . . .
 
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With the refs i saw it go the other way too... i wish we wouldnt criticize the refs to the extent we do.....

this is a general comment..... it seems the critique comes up when we are on wrong side of score
 
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Coach Jumper said:
seriously.
Didn't yo uwatch Jones pushing with extended arm,,,no call
Brink stare down RJ,,,no call
seriously?
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Both Puckett and Walker got blatently shoved about ten feet almost into an official and nothing was called. Big credit to RJ for keeping her cool when Brink showed her skinny butt on national TV. Last thing RJ needed was an altercation. I'm a little surprised, Brink's antics were at a level I wouldn't have thought Tara would have allowed. Brink was classless today.

The shot blocking queen, Tamari Key never did that. Act like you've been there before Punky Brinkster.
 
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