Gas Prices Pass Record

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#251
oklavol said:
Read this article about how shell is trying to control from the drill to the pump and squeeze out the little guy so they can completely control prices:

Dealer prices gas over $4 in protest / He says tactics used by Shell are unfair to operators



But obviously oil companies aren't trying to stick it to the consumer, that must be a misprint.

By the way am I the only one on this board who is required to cite sources to support my opinion?
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From your "source":

Dennis DeCota, executive director of the California Service Station and Automotive Repair Association.
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Shell, of course, says nothing could be further from the truth. "I can only speak for Shell, but the majority of our sites are independently owned,'' says company spokeswoman Karyn Leonardi-Cattolica. In fact, she says, the number of independents is increasing.
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but when asked in the past about similar rent increases, she said, "To the extent that rents went up, it was to bring them in line with the rest of the market.''
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For franchise dealers like Oyster, it is the ultimate irony. At a time when the oil companies are posting record profits, the little guys are struggling to stay in business. And many, like Oyster, are giving up the fight.
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So you ignore the statements from Shell but quote the station owner and (basically) a lobbyist? There is no other example or proof used to back up 1 man's claim. Pretty weak article IMO, even for San Fran.
 
#253
#253
oklavol said:
if you trying to suggest that oil companies are the most profitable corporations in the world because they are the best run, most productive, or their technological innovation that's laughable.

They dont even design the wells that are being used, they buy those from manufacturers. They simply get drilling rights and use their geologists and test wells to determine where to drill.

Simply taking the oil out of the ground, oil that they don't even own, and bring it to the consumer makes them the richest corporations in the world? And you don't they might be overcharging the consumer? Oil they dont even own for the most part but is on aother countries land or someone's personal property.

Read this article about how shell is trying to control from the drill to the pump and squeeze out the little guy so they can completely control prices:

Dealer prices gas over $4 in protest / He says tactics used by Shell are unfair to operators



But obviously oil companies aren't trying to stick it to the consumer, that must be a misprint.

By the way am I the only one on this board who is required to cite sources to support my opinion?
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If you haven't noticed, many of the posters here cite sources as they post. Most of them have apparently looked at several sources (not everything on the internet is true :eek:hmy: ) and vetted the most likely factual statements.

Your statements, such as the ones at the beginning of the above quote, demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the subject, thus requiring the basis for your opinion. BTW, your cite covers some interesting people.....a customer that needs a reporter to point out cheaper gas just across the street and a businessman that would sign a lease without lease escalation clauses.....these people are not credible in my view.
 
#254
#254
KentheOrange said:
If you haven't noticed, many of the posters here cite sources as they post. Most of them have apparently looked at several sources (not everything on the internet is true :eek:hmy: ) and vetted the most likely factual statements.

Your statements, such as the ones at the beginning of the above quote, demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the subject, thus requiring the basis for your opinion. BTW, your cite covers some interesting people.....a customer that needs a reporter to point out cheaper gas just across the street and a businessman that would sign a lease without lease escalation clauses.....these people are not credible in my view.
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For someone who expects me to cite only sources and to not give any opinion, you have yet to post any sources or to explain why your so much knowledgable then everyone else.

At least the source I quoted is an independent gas station owner and can state the reason why his station is no longer in business. Or do you even dispute that? It does seem a little odd to me that a corporation like shell would be so cash strapped that they would need to raise the rent to independent operators to the point they can longer stay in business while at the same time they are making record profits.

He is only a gas station owner, and can only speak of his experience as an independent owner. If you more knoweledgable then everyone else in this area, then why don't you explain why? Otherwise your only stating an opinion like everyone else.
 
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#255
oklavol said:
For someone who expects me to cite only sources and to not give any opinion, you have yet to post any sources or to explain why your so much knowledgable then everyone else.

At least the source I quoted is an independent gas station owner and can state the reason why his station is no longer in business. Or do you even dispute that? It does seem a little odd to me that a corporation like shell would be so cash strapped that they would need to raise the rent to independent operators to the point they can longer stay in business while at the same time they are making record profits.

He is only a gas station owner, and can only speak of his experience as an independent owner. If you more knoweledgable then everyone else in this area, then why don't you explain why? Otherwise your only stating an opinion like everyone else.
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Gas station owners are going out of business because of several macro factors, none of which are tied to the price of fuel. The main problem that they face is the fact that fuel buyers expect the convenience of a pay at the pump feature and are no longer venturing into the c-store to bu $2 sodas and the like. Additionally, large box retailers have jumped into the business for the couple of cents spread per gallon because it makes sense for them to squeeze every dime from the audience that their big box captures. Oh by the way, they sell the sodas for about half the price of the c-stores.

Message to c-store owners: get out of your high traffic corner lot that might bring a premium and depart the gas selling business before economics forces the move.
 
#256
#256
BigPapaVol said:
Gas station owners are going out of business because of several macro factors, none of which are tied to the price of fuel. The main problem that they face is the fact that fuel buyers expect the convenience of a pay at the pump feature and are no longer venturing into the c-store to bu $2 sodas and the like. Additionally, large box retailers have jumped into the business for the couple of cents spread per gallon because it makes sense for them to squeeze every dime from the audience that their big box captures. Oh by the way, they sell the sodas for about half the price of the c-stores.

Message to c-store owners: get out of your high traffic corner lot that might bring a premium and depart the gas selling business before economics forces the move.
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I agree 100%. The Mom and Pop convenience store is quickly becoming a dinosaur.
 
#257
#257
BigPapaVol said:
Gas station owners are going out of business because of several macro factors, none of which are tied to the price of fuel. The main problem that they face is the fact that fuel buyers expect the convenience of a pay at the pump feature and are no longer venturing into the c-store to bu $2 sodas and the like. Additionally, large box retailers have jumped into the business for the couple of cents spread per gallon because it makes sense for them to squeeze every dime from the audience that their big box captures. Oh by the way, they sell the sodas for about half the price of the c-stores.

Message to c-store owners: get out of your high traffic corner lot that might bring a premium and depart the gas selling business before economics forces the move.
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Fortune 500 listed the top 100 companies to work for

Fortune: 100 Best Companies to Work For

No. 21 on the list is QuickTrip.

If your not familiar with them they are a chain of convenience stores that sell gas. They have done exceedingly well, and are listed as of the top companies in the u.s. to work for.

They are everywhere where I live and where the majority of people buy gas here. So to say gas station owners are going out of business I don't find that to be true.
 
#258
#258
oklavol said:
Fortune 500 listed the top 100 companies to work for

Fortune: 100 Best Companies to Work For

No. 21 on the list is QuickTrip.

If your not familiar with them they are a chain of convenience stores that sell gas. They have done exceedingly well, and are listed as of the top companies in the u.s. to work for.

They are everywhere where I live and where the majority of people buy gas here. So to say gas station owners are going out of business I don't find that to be true.
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QuickTrip is not a mom and pop operation. It is an evil, large corporation.
 
#259
#259
volinbham said:
QuickTrip is not a mom and pop operation. It is an evil, large corporation.
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No its the govt that is evil that tries to level the playing field and prevent people from taking advantage of consumers.

For example, when the hurricane Katrina hit and some gas stations doubled, tripled, quadrupled the price of gas and water because they had it and everyone needed it. They should have raised the price 20 or 100 times. Its a free market, whatever the market will bear. Why shouldn't people try to make as much money as they can? And now the govt wants to try and stop that? How evil.
 
#260
#260
There are laws against price gouging. Some of those gas stations were prosecuted.

People should be free to try to make as much money as they can within the boundaries of the law.

BTW, I bet your buddies at QuickTrip had record profits this year as well. Better level them too.
 
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volinbham said:
There are laws against price gouging. Some of those gas stations were prosecuted.

People should be free to try to make as much money as they can within the boundaries of the law.

BTW, I bet your buddies at QuickTrip had record profits this year as well. Better level them too.
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There shouldn't be. Its free enterprise, they have a product people have to have and they should be able to charge whatever they want for it. Its free enterprise. Its the people's fault for running out of gas and water. Why should the govt try to stop someone from making as money as they possibly can? Its not right.
 
#265
#265
oklavol said:
Fortune 500 listed the top 100 companies to work for

Fortune: 100 Best Companies to Work For

No. 21 on the list is QuickTrip.

If your not familiar with them they are a chain of convenience stores that sell gas. They have done exceedingly well, and are listed as of the top companies in the u.s. to work for.

They are everywhere where I live and where the majority of people buy gas here. So to say gas station owners are going out of business I don't find that to be true.
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being the top to work for has nothing to do with declining margins across the entire industry. I'll assure you that more are declining than rising. QuickTrip is also large enough that few cent spreads on fuel makes them considerable money and they're large enough that they hedge in the fuel market. Most cannot, thus missing out on some larger spreads that those hedging can generate. Regardless, the c-store market is declining for the reasons I mentioned and that is not going to change.
 
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#268
oklavol said:
For someone who expects me to cite only sources and to not give any opinion, you have yet to post any sources or to explain why your so much knowledgable then everyone else.

At least the source I quoted is an independent gas station owner and can state the reason why his station is no longer in business. Or do you even dispute that? It does seem a little odd to me that a corporation like shell would be so cash strapped that they would need to raise the rent to independent operators to the point they can longer stay in business while at the same time they are making record profits.

He is only a gas station owner, and can only speak of his experience as an independent owner. If you more knoweledgable then everyone else in this area, then why don't you explain why? Otherwise your only stating an opinion like everyone else.
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Point out where I have asked you to withhold your opinion. I believe I have posted cites that refuted your rather strange understanding of refineries although it was in another, similar, thread. Maybe you forgot, or simply misread it.

My knowledge is such that I do know the difference between a well and a pumpjack. I also know that the oil companies do own the petroleum pumped from the ground.....they pay the mineral rights owner for it as it is recovered.....research the word "royalties."

The businessman you hauled in as a "victim" is not just a simple "gas station owner", he is a franchise owner that has more than one station. My point was that he is not a very good businessman if he signed a ground lease or a building lease without rent escalation being defined. Depending on the location of the property it could be worth many times more now than when the lease was first signed. If you were the property owner would you want fair market value for the property or would you forego those monies to keep an unqualified person in business.....be honest in your answer.

If you are that interested in my vitae curriculum ask by PM.
 
#271
#271
champyvol said:
according to allvol everybody. have to get a donkey to get from sevierville to memphis. i'll be there in a week.:rock:
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you find an alternate mode of transportation that doesn't require spending your own money for gas.

bus, bicycle, taxi, train, plane, someone else's car, electric car...

once you've exhausted all the mechanical means, then you can go out and get a donkey, although a good saddle horse would ride better.

somewhere, after all of your complaining, you'll realize how good you have it with your car and your ability to travel anywhere you want.
 
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#274
allvol123 said:
So what you needing to go from S-ville to Memphis for? Some people should learn what an actual "need" is.
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suppose to go to a wedding reception, but i probably won't go because big buisness and sorry a-- people in washington have to make another billion or so. i hope one day you get down and nobody helps you out, think back on all the crap you spew. maybe you'll say being poor sucks.:crazy:
 
#275
#275
I've been down many times - its not fun. I didn't see much use in blaming corporations for it though. On the contrary, I saw that most people that were doing well were doing so because the marketplace presented so many opportunities.
 
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