Gators lose top defensive player for season

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MikeVol44 said:
Well--

CBJ is 14-18 in the SEC in 4 years...

That means that he is 14-10 (58%) against the SEC East.....

and 0-8 in the West...with losses to unranked Ole Sis, unranked Arky at home, #9 Auburn at home, and #8 aTm on the road...

In direct head to head comparisons.....

CJM is 13-5 in the SEC in 2 years...

11-1 (92%) against the SEC East....only loss to Vols... with NO losses to Vandy or SCe....or UGA...

West record is 2-4...
with road wins over #3 Ole Miss...and #16 LSU...

Losses are on the road to #6 LSU and unranked Arky...

Bama twice in SEC championship...

So--THE WHOLE STORY is that CJM has beaten 2 ranked teams from the West with musical chairs on the OL and without a QB anywhere near the caliber of Dobbs...than CBJ has been able to accomplish in 4 years....


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Ole Miss was ranked #3 when Butch lost to them. They were undefeated lol. Hard to take someone seriously when they mistake a #3 team that's undefeated as an unranked team.

Mac inherited a top 10(if not top 5) defense in the country and top 2 or 3 in the SEC.
Remind me again what Butch inherited? AJ Johnson, Curt Maggitt and Dan McCullers were the best on defense. A solid starting Oline that all left after 2013 and Pig Howard was the best on offense.

Mac needed a 4th and 14 to win the East in 2015 and UT to have over 25 injuries to win the East in 2016..... Mac has had the same sort of luck that Mizzou had when they first joined the SEC
 
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Smokey123 said:
Ole Miss was ranked #3 when Butch lost to them. They were undefeated lol. Hard to take someone seriously when they mistake a #3 team that's undefeated as an unranked team.

Mac inherited a top 10(if not top 5) defense in the country and top 2 or 3 in the SEC.
Remind me again what Butch inherited? AJ Johnson, Curt Maggitt and Dan McCullers were the best on defense. A solid starting Oline that all left after 2013 and Pig Howard was the best on offense.

Mac needed a 4th and 14 to win the East in 2015 and UT to have over 25 injuries to win the East in 2016..... Mac has had the same sort of luck that Mizzou had when they first joined the SEC
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Butch Jones bears sole responsibility for losing that 2015 game, and injuries should never result in UT losing to Vanderbilt or a weak South Carolina team under any circumstances, let alone when the East is still up for grabs. You're freaking Tennessee.

About 2015...Mac got that 4th and 14 because UT's coaching staff decided to put a spy on Grier instaead of sending pressure. Grier got rocked on the previous play and wasn't a threat to run for 14+ yards on 4th down.

UT's coaching staff decided not to go to 2 after Hurd's TD put you guys up 26-14. Turned out to be the difference between the eventual outcome and UT possibly winning in OT.

And your kicker missed a game winning FG that would have made all of that other stuff meaningless...but it should have NEVER come down to attempting a game winning FG.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Butch Jones bears sole responsibility for losing that 2015 game, and injuries should never result in UT losing to Vanderbilt or a weak South Carolina team under any circumstances, let alone when the East is still up for grabs. You're freaking Tennessee.

About 2015...Mac got that 4th and 14 because UT's coaching staff decided to put a spy on Grier instaead of sending pressure. Grier got rocked on the previous play and wasn't a threat to run for 14+ yards on 4th down.

UT's coaching staff decided not to go to 2 after Hurd's TD put you guys up 26-14. Turned out to be the difference between the eventual outcome and UT possibly winning in OT.

And your kicker missed a game winning FG that would have made all of that other stuff meaningless...but it should have NEVER come down to attempting a game winning FG.
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I would agree with all of this... but as far as MikeVol44 goes, it's a little weird to have someone who identifies as a Vol fan on a Vol forum going to such lengths to advocate for a Gator head coach over our own... and on top of that, he didn't even have all of his facts right. Ole Miss was indeed ranked #3 when we played them on the road in '14. They finished the season with a thud at #17 but at no point in '14 were they ever unranked.

Also, it can't objectively be denied that Tennessee having Alabama as an annual opponent from the West puts them at a disadvantage in relation to the rest of the East division.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would agree with all of this... but as far as MikeVol44 goes, it's a little weird to have someone who identifies as a Vol fan on a Vol forum going to such lengths to advocate for a Gator head coach over our own... and on top of that, he didn't even have all of his facts right. Ole Miss was indeed ranked #3 when we played them on the road in '14. They finished the season with a thud at #17 but at no point in '14 were they ever unranked.

Also, it can't objectively be denied that Tennessee having Alabama as an annual opponent from the West puts them at a disadvantage in relation to the rest of the East division.
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It's more weird to be a subjective homer in the face of overwhelming evidence. Butch Jones choked away the East in 2015 and 2016 by losing games he had no business losing.

Beat UF in 2015 and losing to Bama is irrelevant.

Beat South Carolina and Vandy in 2016, and losing to Bama is irrelevant.

UT wins the East and you get a rematch with Bama in Atlanta both years.
 
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McElwain IS the better coach. Why lie to yourself. I hate florida but acknowledge the fact.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Butch Jones bears sole responsibility for losing that 2015 game, and injuries should never result in UT losing to Vanderbilt or a weak South Carolina team under any circumstances, let alone when the East is still up for grabs. You're freaking Tennessee.

About 2015...Mac got that 4th and 14 because UT's coaching staff decided to put a spy on Grier instaead of sending pressure. Grier got rocked on the previous play and wasn't a threat to run for 14+ yards on 4th down.

UT's coaching staff decided not to go to 2 after Hurd's TD put you guys up 26-14. Turned out to be the difference between the eventual outcome and UT possibly winning in OT.

And your kicker missed a game winning FG that would have made all of that other stuff meaningless...but it should have NEVER come down to attempting a game winning FG.
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No one is doubting that John Jancek stunk. What a difference a year made though with an attacking defense in the second half. Also debord stunk it up as well at the end of that game learned his lesson and put a whooping on you guys in the second half of last year also.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Butch Jones bears sole responsibility for losing that 2015 game, and injuries should never result in UT losing to Vanderbilt or a weak South Carolina team under any circumstances, let alone when the East is still up for grabs. You're freaking Tennessee.

About 2015...Mac got that 4th and 14 because UT's coaching staff decided to put a spy on Grier instaead of sending pressure. Grier got rocked on the previous play and wasn't a threat to run for 14+ yards on 4th down.

UT's coaching staff decided not to go to 2 after Hurd's TD put you guys up 26-14. Turned out to be the difference between the eventual outcome and UT possibly winning in OT.

And your kicker missed a game winning FG that would have made all of that other stuff meaningless...but it should have NEVER come down to attempting a game winning FG.
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Obviously he still should have beat Socar and Vandy, I already said that😂 But that's doesn't change the fact that if half those don't happen we when the East easily. Theres NO team in the country that has those same injuries and live up to expectations.
Remind me real quick what happened in 2013 when y'all had so many injuries? 4-8 and you're freaking Florida!

That's my point, Mac needed terrible coaching by the opposing team to win the East. You needed 5 4th down plays to win the East. Which is why Jancek is gone. Mac has had the same luck Mizzou had when they joined the SEC
 
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Smokey123 said:
Ole Miss was ranked #3 when Butch lost to them. They were undefeated lol. Hard to take someone seriously when they mistake a #3 team that's undefeated as an unranked team.

Mac inherited a top 10(if not top 5) defense in the country and top 2 or 3 in the SEC.
Remind me again what Butch inherited? AJ Johnson, Curt Maggitt and Dan McCullers were the best on defense. A solid starting Oline that all left after 2013 and Pig Howard was the best on offense.

Mac needed a 4th and 14 to win the East in 2015 and UT to have over 25 injuries to win the East in 2016..... Mac has had the same sort of luck that Mizzou had when they first joined the SEC
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Okay...sorry that I screwed it up about Ole Miss's ranking at the time they played us....but Ole Sis promptly lost 4 of their next 6 games and finished the season unranked if memory serves...So their #3 ranking was premature and grossly over-rated.

Nevertheless--HOMERS are gonna be HOMERS...and HOMERS always change the narrative and fill it with whatever excuses are necessary to defend their homerism.... just like you did in the rest of the post....

The facts are very simple...

CJM is 11-1 against the SEC East in his first two years...
And the Fla team that beat LSU last year in Baton Rouge had a lot of injuries, too.

CBJ is 9-3 against the same SEC East in those same two years with losses to SCe, Fla, and Vandy.

It's just LAUGHABLE how you explain away CBJ's choke job in the 2015 loss in Gainesville to whatever suits your agenda.

Facts are--The East was OURS in 2015 if CBJ can hold on to a 2 TD lead against Fla--and beat an unranked Arky team at HOME!

CBJ has NO EXCUSE for failing to win the East in 2015... was looking at 7-1 in SEC competition and blew it all away...

CJM on the other hand has capitalized on similar situations and EARNED the East title on the field...:salute:

Personally--It's hard for me to take seriously any HOMER for any team who continually makes excuses for why their team keeps losing games they should have won! :salute:
 
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Catbone said:
McElwain IS the better coach. Why lie to yourself. I hate florida but acknowledge the fact.
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I don't have to acknowledge any such thing.

38-28 :salute:

Florida had 7 players on defense who were drafted in the first 100 picks of the 2017 NFL Draft, yet Tennessee somehow managed to score 38 points in 26:45 of game time against them.
 
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Catbone said:
McElwain IS the better coach. Why lie to yourself. I hate florida but acknowledge the fact.
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Lmao. Mac inherited a top 10 defense in the country, if not top 5. He's supposed to be an offensive Guru, why has his offense in both years had less PPG than all (except 2013) of Muschamps offenses while he was UF? And they are 1-1 vs each other, both have blown big leads to each other with bad coaching.

If Buch would have inherited a top 10 or 5 defense and his records were 10-4 and 9-4 YOU would be calling for his head
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Okay...sorry that I screwed it up about Ole Miss's ranking at the time they played us....but Ole Sis promptly lost 4 of their next 6 games and finished the season unranked if memory serves...So their #3 ranking was premature and grossly over-rated.

Nevertheless--HOMERS are gonna be HOMERS...and HOMERS always change the narrative and fill it with whatever excuses are necessary to defend their homerism.... just like you did in the rest of the post....

The facts are very simple...

CJM is 11-1 against the SEC East in his first two years...
And the Fla team that beat LSU last year in Baton Rouge had a lot of injuries, too.

CBJ is 9-3 against the same SEC East in those same two years with losses to SCe, Fla, and Vandy.

It's just LAUGHABLE how you explain away CBJ's choke job in the 2015 loss in Gainesville to whatever suits your agenda.

Facts are--The East was OURS in 2015 if CBJ can hold on to a 2 TD lead against Fla--and beat an unranked Arky team at HOME!

CBJ has NO EXCUSE for failing to win the East in 2015... was looking at 7-1 in SEC competition and blew it all away...

CJM on the other hand has capitalized on similar situations and EARNED the East title on the field...:salute:

Personally--It's hard for me to take seriously any HOMER for any team who continually makes excuses for why their team keeps losing games they should have won! :salute:
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I didn't use facts? So it's not a fact that Mac inherited a top 10 defense? It's not a fact Butch had the most injuries in the SEC last year? It's not a fact that Jancek was bad at play calling that allowed 5 4th downs including 4th and 14 which lead to his firing?

There's always 2 sides of the story, you choose to ignore every fact that is pro-butch. That in itself is what you're accusing me of😂
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Okay...sorry that I screwed it up about Ole Miss's ranking at the time they played us....but Ole Sis promptly lost 4 of their next 6 games and finished the season unranked if memory serves...So their #3 ranking was premature and grossly over-rated.

Nevertheless--HOMERS are gonna be HOMERS...and HOMERS always change the narrative and fill it with whatever excuses are necessary to defend their homerism.... just like you did in the rest of the post....

The facts are very simple...

CJM is 11-1 against the SEC East in his first two years...
And the Fla team that beat LSU last year in Baton Rouge had a lot of injuries, too.

CBJ is 9-3 against the same SEC East in those same two years with losses to SCe, Fla, and Vandy.

It's just LAUGHABLE how you explain away CBJ's choke job in the 2015 loss in Gainesville to whatever suits your agenda.

Facts are--The East was OURS in 2015 if CBJ can hold on to a 2 TD lead against Fla--and beat an unranked Arky team at HOME!

CBJ has NO EXCUSE for failing to win the East in 2015... was looking at 7-1 in SEC competition and blew it all away...

CJM on the other hand has capitalized on similar situations and EARNED the East title on the field...:salute:

Personally--It's hard for me to take seriously any HOMER for any team who continually makes excuses for why their team keeps losing games they should have won! :salute:
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Wrong again. Ole Miss finished the 2014 season ranked #17 in the AP poll and #19 in the Coaches poll. They weren't unranked at any point during 2014.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Obviously he still should have beat Socar and Vandy, I already said that�� But that's doesn't change the fact that if half those don't happen we when the East easily. Theres NO team in the country that has those same injuries and live up to expectations.
Remind me real quick what happened in 2013 when y'all had so many injuries? 4-8 and you're freaking Florida!

That's my point, Mac needed terrible coaching by the opposing team to win the East. You needed 5 4th down plays to win the East. Which is why Jancek is gone. Mac has had the same luck Mizzou had when they joined the SEC
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That's my point too.

We got it once in 2015 directly and twice in 2016 indirectly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would agree with all of this... but as far as MikeVol44 goes, it's a little weird to have someone who identifies as a Vol fan on a Vol forum going to such lengths to advocate for a Gator head coach over our own... and on top of that, he didn't even have all of his facts right. Ole Miss was indeed ranked #3 when we played them on the road in '14. They finished the season with a thud at #17 but at no point in '14 were they ever unranked.

Also, it can't objectively be denied that Tennessee having Alabama as an annual opponent from the West puts them at a disadvantage in relation to the rest of the East division.
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Ole Miss finished 2014 out of the top 25...

And it's NOT WEIRD to acknowledge FACTUAL information about ANY COACH--and give respect and kudos where kudos are due...

CJM has earned his kudos so far....CBJ hasn't...It's just that simple...

CJM is a better coach than CBJ...it's PLAIN to see!

As far as your whining about having Bama as a permanent SEC West opponent--grow the he&$ up!!

WE are Tennessee--we've beaten Bama more times than anyone else in the SEC...

There was a time when THE ELITE teams of the SEC were Bama and Tennessee....

Any TENNESSEE fan who accepts ANYTHING from our program except that ELITE STATUS in the SEC is a LOSER!

Only losers whine about having to play Bama every year as a disadvantage--because when we finally do beat them--everyone on here will try to ride that victory as a reason to respect our program again instead of whine about having to play them....
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That's my point too.

We got it once in 2015 directly and twice in 2016 indirectly.
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15 the problem is now gone, remember that guy named Jancek that rushed 3 on 4th and 14? 16 was because of injuries. No team has over 25 injuries and lives up to the hype. Especially when 3 are captains. Remind me again what happened to UF in 2013? 4-8 was it? At FLORIDA
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Ole Miss finished 2014 out of the top 25...

And it's NOT WEIRD to acknowledge FACTUAL information about ANY COACH--and give respect and kudos where kudos are due...

CJM has earned his kudos so far....CBJ hasn't...It's just that simple...

CJM is a better coach than CBJ...it's PLAIN to see!

As far as your whining about having Bama as a permanent SEC West opponent--grow the he&$ up!!

WE are Tennessee--we've beaten Bama more times than anyone else in the SEC...

There was a time when THE ELITE teams of the SEC were Bama and Tennessee....

Any TENNESSEE fan who accepts ANYTHING from our program except that ELITE STATUS in the SEC is a LOSER!

Only losers whine about having to play Bama every year as a disadvantage--because when we finally do beat them--everyone on here will try to ride that victory as a reason to respect our program again instead of whine about having to play them....
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Dude, for the 3rd freaking time... you are wrong.

Ole Miss finished 2014 ranked #17 in the AP poll and ranked #19 in the Coaches poll. At no point during the 2014 season was Ole Miss unranked.
 
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15 players drafted in the past 2 years. That's the team Mac inherited. Butch inherited what 3 players drafted 2013 and zero the next 2?
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Ole Miss finished 2014 out of the top 25...

And it's NOT WEIRD to acknowledge FACTUAL information about ANY COACH--and give respect and kudos where kudos are due...

CJM has earned his kudos so far....CBJ hasn't...It's just that simple...

CJM is a better coach than CBJ...it's PLAIN to see!

As far as your whining about having Bama as a permanent SEC West opponent--grow the he&$ up!!

WE are Tennessee--we've beaten Bama more times than anyone else in the SEC...

There was a time when THE ELITE teams of the SEC were Bama and Tennessee....

Any TENNESSEE fan who accepts ANYTHING from our program except that ELITE STATUS in the SEC is a LOSER!

Only losers whine about having to play Bama every year as a disadvantage--because when we finally do beat them--everyone on here will try to ride that victory as a reason to respect our program again instead of whine about having to play them....
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Ole Miss was ranked inside the top 20. Hard to take you seriously when you don't even know what you're talking about.

Mac Inherited 15 players drafted in the past 2 years! Butch inherited 3 in 3 years. Of course Mac is gonna have more success lol. Nobody is accepting mediocrity, we just see that have over 25 injuries will ruin ANYONES season. Including your beloved Mac who's offense completely fell apart after losing Grier
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong again. Ole Miss finished the 2014 season ranked #17 in the AP poll and #19 in the Coaches poll. They weren't unranked at any point during 2014.
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Okay...Okay....Okay...

I'm wrong, wrong, wrong about where Ole Sis ended up in the final rankings...for the 2014 Season.....Sorry for my complete ignorance and stupidity.

But just what in the he%& does it really have to do with realizing that CJM has demonstrated his superior coaching ability to CBJ over 2015 and 2016?

11-1 vs 9-3 in the SEC East for CJM vs CBJ in those years....

Deal with it
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Okay...Okay....Okay...

I'm wrong, wrong, wrong about where Ole Sis ended up in the final rankings...for the 2014 Season.....Sorry for my complete ignorance and stupidity.

But just what in the he%& does it really have to do with realizing that CJM has demonstrated his superior coaching ability to CBJ over 2015 and 2016?

11-1 vs 9-3 in the SEC East for CJM vs CBJ in those years....

Deal with it
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I can deal with that as long as you and LW can deal with this:

38-28 :rock:
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Okay...Okay....Okay...

I'm wrong, wrong, wrong about where Ole Sis ended up in the final rankings...for the 2014 Season.....Sorry for my complete ignorance and stupidity.

But just what in the he%& does it really have to do with realizing that CJM has demonstrated his superior coaching ability to CBJ over 2015 and 2016?

11-1 vs 9-3 in the SEC East for CJM vs CBJ in those years....

Deal with it
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Because you're ignoring the FACT that Mac inherited 15 NFL draft picks. Butch inherited 3 in 3 years, all in the 2013 draft. You're ignoring that fact that 25 injuries will ruin ANYONES season
 
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Smokey123 said:
Mac Inherited 15 players drafted in the past 2 years! Butch inherited 3 in 3 years. Of course Mac is gonna have more success lol. Nobody is accepting mediocrity, we just see that have over 25 injuries will ruin ANYONES season. Including your beloved Mac who's offense completely fell apart after losing Grier
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And they still managed to win the East with that same offense....It's hard to take you serious for failing to ACKNOWLEDGE that fact....

I'm done trying to argue with Archie and Jughead....
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
How many 2017 NFL draftees did Muschamp inherit last year?
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I already said Butch should have beat Socar😂 But it's still a FACT injuries played a major role in the loss. You can't deny that. no team has 25+ injuries, loses 3 of ur 4 captains and don't drop multiple games u shouldn't. That's a fact
 
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MikeVol44 said:
And they still managed to win the East with that same offense....It's hard to take you serious for failing to ACKNOWLEDGE that fact....
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I haven't acknowledged it? What? Lol.
I'll take a great defense with a bad offense over a bad defense and a great offense any day. Mac had a top 10(if not top 5) defense. Fact.

Sorry you ignore all the facts that don't fit you're agenda. Doesn't make them wrong
 
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