Gators lose top defensive player for season

[Lawrence Wright]

15 the problem is now gone, remember that guy named Jancek that rushed 3 on 4th and 14? 16 was because of injuries. No team has over 25 injuries and lives up to the hype. Especially when 3 are captains. Remind me again what happened to UF in 2013? 4-8 was it? At FLORIDA

Not sure why you keep bringing up 2013 and our 4-8 record, as if I'm arguing that Will Muschamp is a better coach than (insert any football coach with a pulse) like some of you are suggesting Jones is a better coach than McElwain.

Muschamp is easily UF's worst football coach dating back to the early 1970s, yet somehow he's undefeated against Butch Jones.

Think about that for a second.

 

[Smokey123]

Not sure why you keep bringing up 2013, as if I'm arguing that Will Muschamp is a better coach than (insert any football coach with a pulse) like some of you are suggesting Jones is a better coach than McElwain.

Muschamp is easily UF's worst football coach dating back to the early 1970s, yet somehow he's undefeated against Butch Jones. Think about that for a second.

Never said Jones is better than Mac, I'm saying calling Mac easily better than Butch this early in Mac's career is idiotic. And Mac is 1-1 vs the coach that is the worst you've had since the 70's. And he allowed 38 unanswered points vs him. All while having a top 10 defense. Think about that for a second

 

[Smokey123]

25+ injuries and losing 3 of ur 4 captains will ruin anyone's seasons. Funny how nobody has been able to dispute that

 

[BowlBrother85]

Not sure why you keep bringing up 2013 and our 4-8 record, as if I'm arguing that Will Muschamp is a better coach than (insert any football coach with a pulse) like some of you are suggesting Jones is a better coach than McElwain.

Muschamp is easily UF's worst football coach dating back to the early 1970s, yet somehow he's undefeated against Butch Jones.

Think about that for a second.

Okay, I thought about that for a second.

Now, do you mind thinking about this for a second:

38-28. :dance2:

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I already said Butch should have beat Socar😂 But it's still a FACT injuries played a major role in the loss. You can't deny that. no team has 25+ injuries, loses 3 of ur 4 captains and don't drop multiple games u shouldn't. That's a fact

Sorry, there's no excuse for Tennessee to lose to a lesser South Carolina squad (or Vanderbilt) while the East is still up for grabs (and a possible Sugar Bowl bid), when Tennessee was the solid favorite to win.

 

[Smokey123]

Sorry, there's no excuse for Tennessee to lose to a lesser South Carolina squad (or Vanderbilt) while the East is still up for grabs (and a possible Sugar Bowl bid), when Tennessee was the solid favorite to win.

It's not an excuse. It's a fact. Show me a team that lost 25+ to injuries and 3 of their 4 captains, including 3 of their 4 best defensive players. And didn't lose a game they shouldn't. I'll wait

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Never said Jones is better than Mac, I'm saying calling Mac easily better than Butch this early in Mac's career is idiotic. And Mac is 1-1 vs the coach that is the worst you've had since the 70's. And he allowed 38 unanswered points vs him. All while having a top 10 defense. Think about that for a second

So we're back to the whole losing a game versus losing the division thing again. We had a bad half of defense, gave up a bunch of points, lost the game...but it didn't cost us the East.

It's great for you guys to finally beat us, and I give UT all the credit in the world for beating us, but if I'm in your shoes that victory rings hollow based on how the rest of the season played out.

It's like the Bruce Pearl days of "owning" Billy Donovan while our basketball team ran off B2B national titles.

I'll gladly take that trade-off...you would too.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

It's not an excuse. It's a fact. Show me a team that lost 25+ to injuries and 3 of their 4 captains, including 3 of their 4 best defensive players. And didn't lose a game they shouldn't. I'll wait

It's an excuse...and I'm not doing your homework for you.

If you don't think Tennessee's worst team shouldn't get the best of Vanderbilt's best team, regardless of injuries, then we really don't have much left to discuss.

A South Carolina team that couldn't beat Kentucky has no business beating Tennessee under any circumstances.

It's an excuse.

Sorry.

 

[Smokey123]

It's an excuse...and I'm not doing your homework for you.

If you don't think Tennessee's worst team shouldn't get the best of Vanderbilt's best team, regardless of injuries, then we really don't have much left to discuss.

A South Carolina team that couldn't beat Kentucky has no business beating Tennessee under any circumstances,

It's an excuse.

Sorry.

Nope. It's a fact. Show me one team that had those type of injuries and still lived up to their hype and I'll gladly accept it as an excuse.

Just because the fact doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it wrong.

 

[Smokey123]

So we're back to the whole losing a game versus losing the division thing again. We had a bad half of defense, gave up a bunch of points, lost the game...but it didn't cost us the East.

It's great for you guys to finally beat us, and I give UT all the credit in the world for beating us, but if I'm in your shoes that victory rings hollow based on how the rest of the season played out.

It's like the Bruce Pearl days of "owning" Billy Donovan while our basketball team ran off B2B national titles.

I'll gladly take that trade-off...you would too.

I wouldn't glady take the East over beating UF, I didn't say I wouldn't. U brought Butchs record vs Muschamp, I brought up Mac's vs Butch. Is that not allowed? It's funny how Muschamp is ur worst coach since the 70's and is 4-0 vs Butch. Yet Mac with a top 10 defense is 1-1 and gave up 38 unanswered. What does that say about Mac's coaching ability?

Also. If Mac is so great, why has his offenses put up less PPG than all(except 2013)of Muschamps offenses while he was at UF? You would think since Mac is such a great coach and offensive guru he could at least turn around that offense, right?

 

[05_never_again]

Nope. It's a fact. Show me one team that had those type of injuries and still lived up to their hype and I'll gladly accept it as an excuse.

Just because the fact doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it wrong.

LW is right. It's an excuse. Injuries notwithstanding, you shouldn't lose to South Carolina and Vandy. We were favored by at least a touchdown in each of those games.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Nope. It's a fact. Show me one team that had those type of injuries and still lived up to their hype and I'll gladly accept it as an excuse.

Just because the fact doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it wrong.

Not saying you're wrong, I simply disagree with your opinion.

If you're comfortable using injuries as an excuse/reason/cause/explanation/justification for UT losing to Vanderbilt, then you clearly have low expectations for Tennessee football.

 

[Smokey123]

LW is right. It's an excuse. Injuries notwithstanding, you shouldn't lose to South Carolina and Vandy. We were favored by at least a touchdown in each of those games.

Already stated we should have won, but there's NO denying Injuries played a major role in the losses. Show me a team that had Those injuries and didn't lose a game they shouldn't?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I wouldn't glady take the East over beating UF, I didn't say I wouldn't. U brought Butchs record vs Muschamp, I brought up Mac's vs Butch. Is that not allowed? It's funny how Mac is ur worst coach since the 70's and is 4-0 vs Butch. Yet Mac with a top 10 defense is 1-1 and gave up 38 unanswered. What does that say about Mac's coaching ability?

Also. If Mac is so great, why has his offenses put up less PPG than all(except 2013)of Muschamps offenses while he was at UF? You would think since Mac is such a great coach and offensive guru he could at least turn around that offense, right?

Edit that post and try again.

 

[Smokey123]

Not saying you're wrong, I simply disagree with your opinion.

If you're comfortable using injuries as an excuse/reason/cause/explanation/justification for UT losing to Vanderbilt, then you clearly have low expectations for Tennessee football.

Nope. I just realize having over 25 injuries will ruin anyone's season. No matter how good the coach is, no matter how good the team is. No team has those injuries and lives up the hype, that's not an opinion. That is fact. Because it's happened plenty of times and they always lose games they shouldn't

 

[Smokey123]

Edit that post and try again.

Nice catch there😂 But u know what I meant

 

[GVF]

I was referring to our offense with the "more with less" comment. McElwain had 6 scholarship OL his first season...and wound up with Treon Harris as a starting QB. Stole the game against you guys in Gainesville and won the East.

And yes, we lost to you guys last season. Then you inexplicably lost to Vanderbilt and South Carolina.

You might very well beat us again in September. But until proven otherwise, I fully expect Butch Jones to lose a game or two against teams UT should boatrace.

I would never trade winning the East for a chance to pound my chest over beating Tennessee during the regular season...while losing the East.

Can't argue with that. lol.

 

[BowlBrother85]

LW is right. It's an excuse. Injuries notwithstanding, you shouldn't lose to South Carolina and Vandy. We were favored by at least a touchdown in each of those games.

Yes, we should have won both of those games regardless of who we had out. Dobbs had a terrible game vs SC and our defense at the end of last season was Sunseri level bad. No excuse for it and yet... Nobody here wants to discuss this:

38-28... :bottom:

 

[05_never_again]

Already stated we should have won, but there's NO denying Injuries played a major role in the losses. Show me a team that had Those injuries and didn't lose a game they shouldn't?

It's an excuse. Period. For both the South Carolina and Vandy losses. The offense, which was reasonably healthy for the South Carolina game, was downright awful. A lot was made of the injuries along the defensive front, but we only allowed 3.2 yards/carry against South Carolina. It was Kentucky and Mizzou that really thrashed us on the ground, yet we found a way to win those games by scoring 49 and 63 points respectively. We only gave up 24 to South Carolina and should have found a way to win that one too.

As far as Vandy, Shurmur and his receivers torched us to the tune of 416 yards passing despite having Sutton back and our other DBs were healthy. The pass defense wasn't that great all year long. E-x-c-u-s-e.

 

[Smokey123]

It's an excuse. Period. For both the South Carolina and Vandy losses. The offense, which was reasonably healthy for the South Carolina game, was downright awful. A lot was made of the injuries along the defensive front, but we only allowed 3.2 yards/carry against South Carolina. It was Kentucky and Mizzou that really thrashed us on the ground, yet we found a way to win those games by scoring 49 and 63 points respectively. We only gave up 24 to South Carolina and should have found a way to win that one too.

As far as Vandy, Shurmur and his receivers torched us to the tune of 416 yards passing despite having Sutton back and our other DBs were healthy. The pass defense wasn't that great all year long. E-x-c-u-s-e.

Kamara was out vs South Carolina and Hurd didn't play half the game because he quit. Oline had injuries too, so I'm not sure what you mean by we didn't have injuries on offense lol.


Injuries played a role in both losses, this is a fact. Can you show me just ONE team who had the same injuries we did and still lived up to their hype? Just one team. I can show multiple teams who didn't

 

[Smokey123]

It's an excuse. Period. For both the South Carolina and Vandy losses. The offense, which was reasonably healthy for the South Carolina game, was downright awful. A lot was made of the injuries along the defensive front, but we only allowed 3.2 yards/carry against South Carolina. It was Kentucky and Mizzou that really thrashed us on the ground, yet we found a way to win those games by scoring 49 and 63 points respectively. We only gave up 24 to South Carolina and should have found a way to win that one too.

As far as Vandy, Shurmur and his receivers torched us to the tune of 416 yards passing despite having Sutton back and our other DBs were healthy. The pass defense wasn't that great all year long. E-x-c-u-s-e.

You must have never played football. When players are rotating so much due to injuries the chemistry of the team falls apart. 3rd and 4th stringers don't typically play with 1st or 2nd stringers.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Kamara was out vs South Carolina and Hurd didn't play half the game because he quit. Oline had injuries too, so I'm not sure what you mean by we didn't have injuries on offense lol.


Injuries played a role in both losses, this is a fact. Can you show me just ONE team who had the same injuries we did and still lived up to their hype? Just one team. I can show multiple teams who didn't

Give a little ground here. Everything you're saying is accurate and yet we still should have beaten SC and Vandy... Struggle with them some? Sure but we still should have won.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Yes, we should have won both of those games regardless of who we had out. Dobbs had a terrible game vs SC and our defense at the end of last season was Sunseri level bad. No excuse for it and yet... Nobody here wants to discuss this:

38-28... :bottom:

Pretty sure there's a game thread somewhere discussing it.

Congrats on the big win.

 

[Smokey123]

Give a little ground here. Everything you're saying is accurate and yet we still should have beaten SC and Vandy... Struggle with them some? Sure but we still should have won.

Oh I agree, we definitely still should have won. But injuries played a major role. Im not dumb enough to think a team losing 3 of their 4 captains, 3 of their 4 best defensive players, 12 starting combinations on Oline and secondary, over 25 different starters on defense and over 25 players hurt will live up to their hype and not lose a game or 2 they shouldn't.

 

[05_never_again]

Kamara was out vs South Carolina and Hurd didn't play half the game because he quit. Oline had injuries too, so I'm not sure what you mean by we didn't have injuries on offense lol.


Injuries played a role in both losses, this is a fact. Can you show me just ONE team who had the same injuries we did and still lived up to their hype? Just one team. I can show multiple teams who didn't

So we lost to South Carolina because Kamara, who was underused his entire career at UT, was hurt? Do you really think his production would have been any different from John Kelly's, who ran for almost 7 YPC in the game? The offensive line was dealing with injuries before the season even started, yet we somehow managed to beat Florida, Georgia, and almost A&M.

Tennessee lost that game because Dobbs went 12/26 passing with 2 INTs.