Gay Marriage

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#277
therealUT said:
He said that smoking in restaurants. I did not realize the government was forcing people to eat in restaurants!!!
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Smoking in the privacy of one's home still hurts those around them. You can still get drunk at home hop in the car and kill somebody.
 
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JZVOL said:
Smoking in the privacy of one's home still hurts those around them. You can still get drunk at home hop in the car and kill somebody.
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So, now you are for the government telling you what you can and cannot do in the privacy of your own home. Patrick Henry would be proud.
 
#279
#279
Once again how can you be for those things that can hurt other people not involved in the act but for ONLY for freedoms that don't hurt people involved in the act?
 
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#280
therealUT said:
So, now you are for the government telling you what you can and cannot do in the privacy of your own home. Patrick Henry would be proud.
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that is such a lame arguement. The good thing though is that you are now making me laugh so I thank you for that.
 
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#281
You are trying to argue against smoking, because other people who choose to be around smokers, might be harmed by it. Think on that.
 
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#283
therealUT said:
He said that smoking in restaurants. I did not realize the government was forcing people to eat in restaurants!!!
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Should the restaurants then become off limits to someone who might be harmed by the smoke, lest they choose to be harmed.

See, the problem in your debate lies in the fact that in the event of porhibition in smoking, smokers can still use the restaurant and be inconvenienced by not smoking. Non-smokers have to choose not to use the restaurant at all. I'm not a huge believer in utilitarianism, but in this case the decision has fallen on the side of the greatest good.
 
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#285
If the restaurant owner chooses to allow smoking in his restaurant, then someone who is uncomfortable around smoke should choose not to eat at the restaurant. That "greatest good" crap is simply that, crap. The only thing in the Constitution that was set up for the "greater good" was in allowing slavery in the South. The "greater good" was simply to form the nation.

The "individual good" is what should be esteemed. If someone does not want to work, the government throws money to them and their children, to serve the "greater good." If no money was thrown at them, they would be forced to work or starve. The choice would be between the "individual good" or death.
 
#287
#287
How does this involve gay marriage? Gay couples getting married, smoking at the rehersal dinner at a restaurant, then driving home drunk?
 
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#289
therealUT said:
You are trying to argue against smoking, because other people who choose to be around smokers, might be harmed by it. Think on that.
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I don't give a rat's arse about smoking. I didn't argue about it when it was a simple inconvenience for me to be around second hand smoke. Now that there's clear evidence that it's a problem for me, I have every expectation that smoking in indoor public places will cease, whether people are being forced there or not. You act almost as if my choosing to go eat is somehow on par with someone choosing to smoke in a restaurant. What happened to the part of your personal liberty about harming someone else?

Yes your honor, I did put the rat poison in his stew, but I didn't force him to eat it. I even offered him something different to eat, but he ate the stew I poisoned. What's the big deal?
 
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#291
BigPapaVol said:
I don't give a rat's arse about smoking. I didn't argue about it when it was a simple inconvenience for me to be around second hand smoke. Now that there's clear evidence that it's a problem for me, I have every expectation that smoking in indoor public places will cease, whether people are being forced there or not. You act almost as if my choosing to go eat is somehow on par with someone choosing to smoke in a restaurant. What happened to the part of your personal liberty about harming someone else?

Yes your honor, I did put the rat poison in his stew, but I didn't force him to eat it. I even offered him something different to eat, but he ate the stew I poisoned. What's the big deal?
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I am glad that you think that your comfort and convenience should dictate what someone else chooses to allow on their private property.
 
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#294
therealUT said:
I am glad that you think that your comfort and convenience should dictate what someone else chooses to allow on their private property.
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I don't care about private property, I clearly said in public indoor spaces and it is no longer simple inconvenience, which I said as well.
 
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#300
therealUT said:
Restaurants and places of business are private property.
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not to the extent that the gov't can regulate their enterprise and determine to whom they must serve their wares.

You're welcome to continue being extreme or technical and to keep on the semantics games, but personal liberty at the expense of all else is a problem.
 
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