Get Ready for the Starbucks Boycott

[hohenfelsvol]

I've got to be honest though, I kinda like Starbucks

Racist

 

[droski]

Because a private health system has no incentive for efficiency.

besides profit you mean. :whistling:

 

[NEO]

Of course it will put a strain on small business....

Because a private health system has no incentive for efficiency.

As the data from the real world shows.

I've got to be honest though, I kinda like Starbucks, and I really like the efficiency, simplicity, and health metrics of the single payer systems.

I want a quick two sentence response on what incentive the government has to be efficient.

Can you do it?

Droski gave a one sentence response for Capital.

 

[utgibbs]

besides profit you mean. :whistling:

Exactly why it is so inefficient.

Health care is not a market.

Thanks for supporting my points yet again, droski. Don't need the help, but I never say no. :hi:

 

[MG1968]

private health care is pretty efficient, meaningless anecdotal story follows.

on the morning June 8, 2006, I suffered a distal biceps rupture in my left arm (work related)

by midday, I had already seen an occupational health physician, who then referred me to an orthopedic clinic. Two days later, I was seen at the orthopedic clinic and scheduled for surgery.

a week later (a distal biceps rupture isn't painful and you don't lose use of your arm except when lifting things heavier than a gallon of milk), I was in surgery at St. Mary's in Knoxville.

I challenge gibbs, or any other single payer advocate, to find a health system that works faster than that.

 

[utgibbs]

I want a quick two sentence response on what incentive the government has to be efficient.

Can you do it?

Droski gave a one sentence response for Capital.

Health care is not a market.

Government removes the "middle men."

Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

I know you only gave me two, but I've got to add a third:

All the data from the real world.

Keep up the "letters to Santa Claus" though.

 

[droski]

Exactly why it is so inefficient.

Health care is not a market.

Thanks for supporting my points yet again, droski. Don't need the help, but I never say no. :hi:

how in the world is it not a market? dozens of suppliers and millions of consumers. this is like arguing that tennis shoes isn't a market.

 

[droski]

Health care is not a market.

Government removes the "middle men."

Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

I know you only gave me two, but I've got to add a third:

All the data from the real world. Keep up the "letters to Santa Claus" though.

middle man being whom exactly?

 

[utgibbs]

how in the world is it not a market? dozens of suppliers and millions of consumers. this is like arguing that tennis shoes isn't a market.

Health care is not a market. You cannot chose not to want health care. Your basic human rights might be denied, it is sadly true.

Thanks for more "letters to Santa Claus."

 

[utgibbs]

middle man being whom exactly?

The insurers and marketers to name but two in the private system.

And all the data from the real world.

 

[MG1968]

Health care is not a market. You cannot chose not to want health care. Your basic human rights might be denied, it is sadly true.

Thanks for more "letters from Santa Claus."

people choose not to take health care all the time

 

[droski]

Health care is not a market. You cannot chose not to want health care. Your basic human rights might be denied, it is sadly true.

Thanks for more "letters from Santa Claus."

you can absolutely chose the amount you want to consume. who says a market needs to be perfectly elastic?

 

[droski]

The insurers and marketers to name but two in the private system.

And all the data from the real world.

if the govt is becoming the insurer how does this eliminate the middle man? as for the marketers have you missed the social security commercials during the super bowl? i guess you must have. i don't remember seeing a blue cross one.

 

[utvolpj]

if the govt is becoming the insurer how does this eliminate the middle man?

Interesting question. Because they don't like to get involved in the lives of citizens?

 

[utgibbs]

people choose not to take health care all the time

No they don't. They may be prevented because of the highly inefficient US system from receiving the care they need, but they do not choose; they are forced into a situation of "consumer" apartheid.

In addition, when the semi driver falls asleep on I-40, I'm not sure there is much "consumer sovereignty."

Health care is not a market.

Private health care is inefficient, for obvious reasons, as all the data from the real world suggests.

 

[MG1968]

I'd like for gibbs to answer my question from post #30

 

[justingroves]

Health care is not a market.

Yes it is.

 

[utgibbs]

if the govt is becoming the insurer how does this eliminate the middle man? as for the marketers have you missed the social security commercials during the super bowl? i guess you must have. i don't remember seeing a blue cross one.

And now your intellectual bankruptcy is complete. Do you mean to tell me the SuperBowl is the only place to market health care?

As for the first question ask any doctor with a personal practice.

Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

 

[BeecherVol]

Health care is not a market.

Government removes the "middle men."

Game, Set, and Match. :hi:

I know you only gave me two, but I've got to add a third:

All the data from the real world.

Keep up the "letters to Santa Claus" though.

No it doesn't. It just changes who the middle men are.

 

[utgibbs]

Yes it is.

Wrong.

But just to stop the nonsense, okay, okay, okay....

It is a market failure. As all the data from the real world demonstrates.

:dance2:

 

[utvolpj]

No it doesn't. It just changes who the middle men are.

clearly you just don't get it that replacing an insurance company with the efficient fed gov't eliminates the middle man

 

[BeecherVol]

clearly you just don't get it that replacing an insurance company with the efficient fed gov't eliminates the middle man

Is that the same government that fires on its own civilians?

 

[NEO]

The insurers and marketers to name but two in the private system.

And all the data from the real world.

Gibbs, your do realize that whether it is privatized or state ran there is still a middle man. The middle man, in a state ran scenerio, is just an employee paid for by tax dollars instead of premiums. That is as real world as it gets.

And you totally dodged and did not answer my question.

What reason does the Federal government have to be efficient?

Answer the actual question.

 

[utvolpj]

Is that the same government that fires on its own civilians?

absolutely. You can trust them and their spokesmodel gibbs

 

[utgibbs]

private health care is pretty efficient, meaningless anecdotal story follows.

on the morning June 8, 2006, I suffered a distal biceps rupture in my left arm (work related)

by midday, I had already seen an occupational health physician, who then referred me to an orthopedic clinic. Two days later, I was seen at the orthopedic clinic and scheduled for surgery.

a week later (a distal biceps rupture isn't painful and you don't lose use of your arm except when lifting things heavier than a gallon of milk), I was in surgery at St. Mary's in Knoxville.

I challenge gibbs, or any other single payer advocate, to find a health system that works faster than that.

My friend's mother was hit by a car in Paris, France. A single mom with a baby in the back simply didn't see her, broke her leg.

She was treated free of charge immediately with free medication. The single mum responsible did not have to fear economic peril.

Grandma was picked up by the English NHS for follow-on treatment. Gave her a wheelchair for the remainder of her vacation and free pain meds.

When she got back to North Carolina, her employer had dropped health insurance. She was turned away at her usual doctor.

The US system does well on speed, for those who can afford it, but it falls over almost everywhere else.

Game, Set, and Match.