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[utvolpj]

Do you really want to get played here? Really? I think we've done this dance before, haven't we?

name something analogous to HC that the gov't runs efficiently.

 

[utvolpj]

Sure, they can walk in at 6 am and get to see the student docs at midnight. Sure.

Problem is, this is just another indication of the inefficiency of the private system.

that's absolutely false (which is a nice way of saying you're lying). I've been in one recently and ER's don't do that.

 

[utgibbs]

You're on crack if you think the health care reform would solve that problem which occurred to your brother in law.

A single payer system would have.

Let's put it this way, he says it would never have happened in Canada.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Sure, they can walk in at 6 am and get to see the student docs at midnight. Sure.

Problem is, this is just another indication of the inefficiency of the private system.

You keep touting the inefficiency of the private health care system. What you don't realize it's the same damn problem in social health care systems in Germany and Europe. Get a clue.

 

[NEO]

Do you really want to get played here? Really? I think we've done this dance before, haven't we?

Ok, another question.

Nobody on this forum agrees with your thought process.

That goes from BPV to PJ to IP to Droski to Me to MG.

Does that make you wonder about your rational at all when a spectrum that wide (IP to me) both clearly disagree with your views?

make you wonder just a little bit if you've went a little too far off?

 

[utgibbs]

that's absolutely false. I've been in one recently and ER's don't do that.

Bull, but I'm sure some are better than others.


For the final time, single payer = cheaper, better metrics. Every. Single. Time.

 

[utvolpj]

A single payer system would have.

Let's put it this way, he says it would never have happened in Canada.

didn't happen in the US either

 

[fl0at]

Is that the same government that fires on its own civilians?

Ha!

Also pj's Sunday comment was good.
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[hohenfelsvol]

A single payer system would have.

Let's put it this way, he says it would never have happened in Canada.

BS

 

[NEO]

The U.S. Postal Service: Our Next Bankruptcy?

They can't even break even in the mail delivery system for God's sake.

Meanwhile UPS and Fedex are making an actual profit.

There's your real world gorilla Gibbs.

 

[utgibbs]

Ok, another question.

Nobody on this forum agrees with your thought process.

That goes from BPV to PJ to IP to Droski to Me to MG.

Does that make you wonder about your rational at all when a spectrum that wide (IP to me) both clearly disagree with your views?

make you wonder just a little bit if you've went a little too far off?

No. I simply don't require your approval, and your disapproval in no way diminishes the strength of my arguments or the data from the real world. That's just the way it is.

IP is just mad because he is a dyed-in-the-wool Dem, and I'm even more critical of them (because they have more potential for goodness...) IP has a lot of potential, but he needs more experience under his belt.

 

[NEO]

post office lost 9 billion in 2010 and 2009.

That is billion Gibbs.

Most companies would be done for after that.

 

[NEO]

No. I simply don't require your approval, and your disapproval in no way diminishes the strength of my arguments or the data from the real world. That's just the way it is.

IP is just mad because he is a dyed-in-the-wool Dem, and I'm even more critical of them (because they have more potential for goodness...) IP has a lot of potential, but he needs more experience under his belt.

Okie dokie

 

[utgibbs]

post office lost 9 billion in 2010 and 2009.

That is billion Gibbs.

Most companies would be done for after that.

Are you really saying this in 2011? Are you really saying this in 2011?

It has to be asked again:

Are you really saying this in 2011? Are you just looking to get played?

 

[BeecherVol]

Ok, another question.

Nobody on this forum agrees with your thought process.

That goes from BPV to PJ to IP to Droski to Me to MG to Beechervol.

Does that make you wonder about your rational at all when a spectrum that wide (IP to me) both clearly disagree with your views?

make you wonder just a little bit if you've went a little too far off?

fixed for accuracy.

 

[utgibbs]

You keep touting the inefficiency of the private health care system. What you don't realize it's the same damn problem in social health care systems in Germany and Europe. Get a clue.

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

No one is saying any system is perfect, but CLEARLY the single payer systems are more efficient than ours.

The Swiss system is wholly reliant on private insurance. They happen to be #2 on cost.

Your German system is, I think, 90% based on private insurance. They happen to be #3. The Swiss and Munich Re effect, I should think.

 

[volinbham]

IP has a lot of potential, but he needs more experience under his belt.

Hang in there IP - you'll eventually make it to enlightenment.

Me? I've already been broken. No hope and buried under Gorilla dung.

 

[utgibbs]

Okie dokie

No problem. :hi:

 

[rmsmith]

Question, do all functions of the gov't report finances? I know the post office is losing money but what about DOD, DOT etc?

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

Yet they have better health metrics, and they pay less for it.

No one is saying any system is perfect, but CLEARLY the single payer systems are more efficient than ours.

The Swiss system is wholly reliant on private insurance. They happen to be #2 on cost.

Your German system is, I think, 90% based on private insurance. They happen to be #3. The Swiss and Munich Re effect, I should think.

They don't pay less for it. Instead of reading it, go live it. I have done it in the "real world".

 

[volinbham]

Question, do all functions of the gov't report finances? I know the post office is losing money but what about DOD, DOT etc?

I don't know that they are "profit centers" - e.g. revenue generators/P&L functions. More likely they are cost centers receiving a budget and any "revenues" they generate go into operating budgets.

Just a SWAG

 

[BeecherVol]

Question, do all functions of the gov't report finances? I know the post office is losing money but what about DOD, DOT etc?

Good question. Hard to imagine the DOT breaking even. The business Im in, if your standing/sitting your moving backwards.

Edit. Prolly good for their sake that they don't.

 

[NEO]

Are you really saying this in 2011? Are you really saying this in 2011?

It has to be asked again:

Are you really saying this in 2011? Are you just looking to get played?

Oh this oughta be good.

Are you about to bring out the gimp?

 

[BeecherVol]

I don't know that they are "profit centers" - e.g. revenue generators/P&L functions. More likely they are cost centers receiving a budget and any "revenues" they generate go into operating budgets.

Just a SWAG

Yeah, and from experience if they take care of what they have while staying under the budget, they blow the rest or have their budget reduced the next year.

 

[rmsmith]

I don't know that they are "profit centers" - e.g. revenue generators/P&L functions. More likely they are cost centers receiving a budget and any "revenues" they generate go into operating budgets.

Just a SWAG

Good question. Hard to imagine the DOT breaking even. The business Im in, if your standing/sitting your moving backwards.

Edit. Prolly good for their sake that they don't.

K thanks. Just a thought that popped in my head when thinking about stamps always going up and then thought about how we sell missles, planes and stuff to friendly nations.