Gibson explains Bush Doctrine to Sarah Palin

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notverycrucial said:
Papa,

You have no idea what you're talking about. The AP has been heavily criticized by for its appearance of bias against Democrats -- particularly Obama and Biden. That's why I was so surprised to see Palin skewered this way.

AP Washington Bureau Chief, Ron Fournier, is a close friend of Karl Rove's and has openly admitted he interviewed to head up McCain's communications team earlier this year. This is the current head of the AP. This guy writes articles on a regular basis that appear in newspapers alll over the country and he has certainly taken a few shots at Dems. Oh, and did you know that Rupert Murdoch sits on the board of the AP., frickin liberal that he is.

All this whining about the so-called liberal press. They're not liberal. They're not conservative. They're establishment -- which means they lean to the Right these days. The only reason Palin was treated so badly in this particular article was b/c she was terrible. Also, she's not a part of the DC cocktail circuit, which is almost enitrely made up of conservatives anyway since they've dominated Washington for so long.

Sorry your woman got beat-up so badly tonight, but trying to blame her abysmal performance on the frickin liberal press is laughable. Oh, and we'll talk about the NYT some other time.

EDIT TO ADD: Here's a link to the AP story using a search of the first sentence on Google. Take your pick. NYTimes, FoxNews, Cleveland PlainDealer, LATimes, KnoxNews, and on and on! It's the same story on evey single news outlet.

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never
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crucial,

it is obvious we are voting for the same candidate, but the first thing you should learn is that the AP sucks, badly, no matter who they are covering.
 
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emainvol said:
crucial,

it is obvious we are voting for the same candidate, but the first thing you should learn is that the AP sucks, badly, no matter who they are covering.
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I totally agree. The AP is total garbage, yet they remain an incredibly powerful force because people view them as independent arbiters of public debate. Ron Fournier's introduction of analyst opinion stories earlier this year has completely changed the independent tone of the organization. They're essentailly a propaganda tool used by both the right and the left (mostly the right) using competing writers to push certain stories. At least jokers like Hannity and Olbermann are transparent in their agendas. The AP is hiding behind their supposed objectivity when they are anything but. Suck, they do.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I totally agree. The AP is total garbage, yet they remain an incredibly powerful force because people view them as independent arbiters of public debate. Ron Fournier's introduction of analyst opinion stories earlier this year has completely changed the independent tone of the organization. They're essentailly a propaganda tool used by both the right and the left (mostly the right) using competing writers to push certain stories. At least jokers like Hannity and Olbermann are transparent in their agendas. The AP is hiding behind their supposed objectivity when they are anything but. Suck, they do.
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they got a guy from dailykos fired from his job because he called them out in an anonymous blog.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I totally agree. The AP is total garbage, yet they remain an incredibly powerful force because people view them as independent arbiters of public debate. Ron Fournier's introduction of analyst opinion stories earlier this year has completely changed the independent tone of the organization. They're essentailly a propaganda tool used by both the right and the left (mostly the right) using competing writers to push certain stories. At least jokers like Hannity and Olbermann are transparent in their agendas. The AP is hiding behind their supposed objectivity when they are anything but. Suck, they do.
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since when has the AP been a tool of the right?
 
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notverycrucial said:
Papa,

You have no idea what you're talking about. The AP has been heavily criticized by for its appearance of bias against Democrats -- particularly Obama and Biden. That's why I was so surprised to see Palin skewered this way.

AP Washington Bureau Chief, Ron Fournier, is a close friend of Karl Rove's and has openly admitted he interviewed to head up McCain's communications team earlier this year. This is the current head of the AP. This guy writes articles on a regular basis that appear in newspapers alll over the country and he has certainly taken a few shots at Dems. Oh, and did you know that Rupert Murdoch sits on the board of the AP., frickin liberal that he is.

All this whining about the so-called liberal press. They're not liberal. They're not conservative. They're establishment -- which means they lean to the Right these days. The only reason Palin was treated so badly in this particular article was b/c she was terrible. Also, she's not a part of the DC cocktail circuit, which is almost enitrely made up of conservatives anyway since they've dominated Washington for so long.

Sorry your woman got beat-up so badly tonight, but trying to blame her abysmal performance on the frickin liberal press is laughable. Oh, and we'll talk about the NYT some other time.

EDIT TO ADD: Here's a link to the AP story using a search of the first sentence on Google. Take your pick. NYTimes, FoxNews, Cleveland PlainDealer, LATimes, KnoxNews, and on and on! It's the same story on evey single news outlet.

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never
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keep drinking that cool aid. try not to spike it so much this time.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Are you kidding? She was stalling, she was basically asking for a hint. It was a smart technique, but it was painfully obvious.
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I didn't see the interview but it is a pretty smart idea for anyone answering questions to have the interviewer define "Bush Doctrine" before stating your answer. It means different things to different people. It was a loaded question to begin with and she avoided stepping in it. The most to the point way of asking that same question is "Do you agree with Bush's policy involving preemptive war?".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The tropper firing issue is bad and I don't agree with it anymore than Bill and Hillary firing state troopers in Arkansas... :ermm:
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Do you mean the same state trooper that used a tazer on a 10 year old child? What a travesty, we need to put that guy back in uniform now!
 
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notverycrucial said:
Papa,

You have no idea what you're talking about. The AP has been heavily criticized by for its appearance of bias against Democrats -- particularly Obama and Biden. That's why I was so surprised to see Palin skewered this way.

AP Washington Bureau Chief, Ron Fournier, is a close friend of Karl Rove's and has openly admitted he interviewed to head up McCain's communications team earlier this year. This is the current head of the AP. This guy writes articles on a regular basis that appear in newspapers alll over the country and he has certainly taken a few shots at Dems. Oh, and did you know that Rupert Murdoch sits on the board of the AP., frickin liberal that he is.

All this whining about the so-called liberal press. They're not liberal. They're not conservative. They're establishment -- which means they lean to the Right these days. The only reason Palin was treated so badly in this particular article was b/c she was terrible. Also, she's not a part of the DC cocktail circuit, which is almost enitrely made up of conservatives anyway since they've dominated Washington for so long.

Sorry your woman got beat-up so badly tonight, but trying to blame her abysmal performance on the frickin liberal press is laughable. Oh, and we'll talk about the NYT some other time.

EDIT TO ADD: Here's a link to the AP story using a search of the first sentence on Google. Take your pick. NYTimes, FoxNews, Cleveland PlainDealer, LATimes, KnoxNews, and on and on! It's the same story on evey single news outlet.

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never
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NVC, I have seen you post for sometime now and I have a couple of observations:
You minimally criticized some stances of McCain and pronounced yourself an independent, some here saw through your obvious bias toward the democrat party early on. As time has gone on you have revealed more about yourself through your posts (nothing wrong with that).

I look at this post today and you announce to us all that the media has an anti liberal and pro conservative slant today. This has to qualify you for most ignorant post of the year! If you believe the printed press along with cable news is overwhelmingly conservative then there is very little hope for you. Obama has been given a free ride this entire election (not to mention a cheering section).

Here is the proof you need to show the medi does not have a conservative slant. Of all those questions asked Sarah Palin, how many of those have been asked of Obama? Has he been challenged at all by the media, or do they seem to let him just talk about his wonderful plan of "hope and change" (yet to be defined and laid out). The answer to that question is one, there has only been one interview in which he was asked the tough questions or challenged to expand on his answers. It was an interview on Fox News the only one of those media outlets with a conservative slant!

Please just give it up! You are what you are, don't try to hide behind your cloak of objectivity, especially when it is as see through as mosquito netting. You'll get more respect that way.
 
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that is what's so sad about the whole thing. Obama has zero executive experience and he get treated with kid gloves. but any conservative/republican is going to get raked over the coals. at least Palin has experience running a state, balancing a budget and managing. obama has used his senate seat to run for president. i'm glad that Palin is getting tough questions, it's only going to help her during the debates.
 
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lawgator1 said:
you cannot be serious. She had no confidence. She didn't understand the subject matter of the questions. She said she would go to war with russia if georgia was in nato and attacked them! She did not know what the bush doctrine was and when asked if she supported it tried to pretend (pathetically) like she knew what it was. She sounded stupid, not just naïve. She is utterly unprepared to take over.

There is no way anyhone who saw that interview and is remotely honest with themselves could ever be comfortable with her as vp.

Total disaster.
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so lawgaytor, please tell how obama is ready to lead???? how is he more qualified that Palin or mccain for that matter.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do you mean the same state trooper that used a tazer on a 10 year old child? What a travesty, we need to put that guy back in uniform now!
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I don't know anything about that case. I was referencing the troopers involved in all of that Whitewater/Paula Jones stuff. But apparently, they were found to have made up their stories. Just going off of memory from all that stuff from 10-15 years ago...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't know anything about that case. I was referencing the troopers involved in all of that Whitewater/Paula Jones stuff. But apparently, they were found to have made up their stories. Just going off of memory from all that stuff from 10-15 years ago...
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I don't know too much about the troopers you refer to. I just know that the trooper involved in the current debate over Palin made threatening remarks to friends as well as family members of Palin's sister (?) and used a tazer on a child. He needed to be out of state service and not sanctioned by the state to carry a gun for them. He is not the kind of person you want as an officer of the law.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I thought it was a pretty basic question. All she had to do was repeat the question, define what it means, then give a simple yes or no. It was pretty cut and dry. She couldn't answer it because she had no idea what the Bush Doctrine was.

We've all been there before when something like that happens. It's embarrassing and yes, she handled it as well (in fact much better) than most considering she had no idea what he meant.

EDIT to add: She couldn't give a simple yes or no answer because she didn't know what it was -- regardless of whether she should have given a Y/N answer. I agree politicians generally shouldn't -- although Mr. Straight Talk might disagree.
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Pull me out some quotes where obama gives a definite "yes or no" answer. It has already been pointed out that politicians like to avoid those type answers regardless of the question. You are ragging on Palin for avoiding it but fail to point out that they all do it.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't know too much about the troopers you refer to. I just know that the trooper involved in the current debate over Palin made threatening remarks to friends as well as family members of Palin's sister (?) and used a tazer on a child. He needed to be out of state service and not sanctioned by the state to carry a gun for them. He is not the kind of person you want as an officer of the law.
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Oh, is that what happened with the trooper in Alaska? I missed that small bit of info. I was under the impression from the original reports that Palin had done something nefarious with her brother in-laws firing or what not. Weren't there reports of lawyers and operatives going up to Alaska to defend this guy and investigate? That was the last I had heard about it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh, is that what happened with the trooper in Alaska? I missed that small bit of info. I was under the impression from the original reports that Palin had done something nefarious with her brother in-laws firing or what not. Weren't there reports of lawyers and operatives going up to Alaska to defend this guy and investigate? That was the last I had heard about it.
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I'm pretty sure that Palin probably had something to do with getting him fired but the point is moot anyway if he behaves the way he has he does not need a badge!

I'm sure they are, they probably care more for making this political than for getting this obvious bad apple off the force.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm pretty sure that Palin probably had something to do with getting him fired but the point is moot anyway if he behaves the way he has he does not need a badge!

I'm sure they are, they probably care more for making this political than for getting this obvious bad apple off the force.
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Aren't the questions being asked more about the firing of the guy who refused to fire the trooper than the actual firing of the trooper?
 
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TennTradition said:
Aren't the questions being asked more about the firing of the guy who refused to fire the trooper than the actual firing of the trooper?
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Now that I don't know about. If he was trying to protect a bad apple then I don't have much problem. If he was just doing his job by the letter of the law, then maybe there is an issue.
 
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KB5252 said:
Now that I don't know about. If he was trying to protect a bad apple then I don't have much problem. If he was just doing his job by the letter of the law, then maybe there is an issue.
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I think that is what the actual investigation is about...what role did Palin play in trying to make this guy fire the trooper...and then I think that guy (some Alaskan cabinet member or something along those lines) got canned....but I don't really know. I didn't read a lot about it because it was fully known and under investigation when McCain tapped her....and I have to think that it would have been carefully considered in the vetting (even though it was apparently an accelerated vetting) and decided to be a non-issue.
 
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The pundits will slice and dice this a hundred different ways. Her supporters will highlight her good answers and explain away her bad ones as bad questioning or context or what have you. As on here, some will ignore the criticism in favor of just saying, "Oh, yeah? Well, Obama sucks!" Her detractors will emphasize her worst answers.

I am not listening to either side because I know what I saw and heard and I trust my own judgment on this.
 
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The issue rests squarely on Safety Commissioner being fired, not the trooper. The Commish has his hands tied since the trooper has already been disciplined for the Taser incident and others. Its called double Jeopardy and the Commish basically told Palin that and then he got fired. The investigation is only looking into abuse of powers of office for the firing of the Commissioner.
 
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MontereyVol said:
The issue rests squarely on Safety Commissioner being fired, not the trooper. The Commish has his hands tied since the trooper has already been disciplined for the Taser incident and others. Its called double Jeopardy and the Commish basically told Palin that and then he got fired. The investigation is only looking into abuse of powers of office for the firing of the Commissioner.
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Maybe it is just me but if you have a trooper who has had repeated issues involving violence and threats of violence you don't need to be sanctioned by the state to enforce the law. Maybe the commish needed to go based on his reluctance to do what is in the best interest of the public.
 
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