Golden's dad disputes academic problems

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CatsQueue said:
I tend to agree with Chris. I do have a question for any lawyers on the board reading this. Would not the public statement of his dismissal for academic fraud by university staff be a FERPA violation? If so, the only source legally exempt to clarify is the Golden family and they have nothing to gain by speaking out.
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I'm guessing they thought it through for a while. I think they just wanted to say he's "transferring" to spare him the grief. He was essentially dismissed from the university, and consequently the team, but Cheek and Martin cut him some slack and didn't call it a dismissal.

I was actually thinking about this earlier, and that's the best I can come up with. I could be wrong though.
 
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bjsvols1 said:
I don't have any inside info here, but knowing how the university works, it's a plagiarism deal. Trae probably got caught by a professor. He's probably a repeat offender. The professor wouldn't give, the UTAD appealed it up the ladder, and the administration backed up the professor. At that point Trae was probably given the option to withdraw from the class and/or the university or be kicked out, which would hurt his options for transferring. Due to lack of credits and the plagiarism, his only option was to withdraw and transfer or receive a huge black eye. Is it an academic problem in terms of grades? No, technically it is an ethics and student conduct issue.
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bjsvols1 said:
One more thing, Cuonzo is probably working with the Golden's dad to help place him somewhere. No decent university is going to admit a student kicked out of their previous university for plagiarism. They are trying to keep this quiet to keep Golden's options open.
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I think you hit it right on the nose. If any of you were college basketball players with a professional career ahead of you, you just got caught plagiarizing - what would you do? I'd say keep it as quiet as possible and try to transfer out before getting officially kicked out.
 
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Sounds like he got caught cheating. If he was cheating & still failed....wow! Especially with all the fallbacks & assists the athletes get at the Thornton Center
 
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iKrager said:
I think you hit it right on the nose. If any of you were college basketball players with a professional career ahead of you, you just got caught plagiarizing - what would you do? I'd say keep it as quiet as possible and try to transfer out before getting officially kicked out.
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I'm thinking that's the most likely scenario. Something happened and he's transferring and asserting his privacy before any consequences come down that make him radioactive. That would explain the general vagueness.
 
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Vols4us said:
So there are academic issues per UT, which is disputed by the father of Trae and many of his friends. He is going to transfer and it will all work out fine per Zo and others, yet there are academic issues as the reason he is leaving. How can he transfer if there are academic issues? It's not like he is going juco. Sombody is misrepresenting the truth. No wonder the UTAD has as much credibility as the Obama administration. Maybe they need to hire Susan Rice as their publicist.
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Well if the alleged "plagiarism" committed by Golden was fabricated by the Athletic Department there are serious legal ramifications. Frankly, I have no idea who or what to believe considering the current state of the UT Athletic Dept. cpl with the recent basketball issues surrounding the release of Landry. More than a few journalists have said repeatedly that Golden kept up his class work and did the "right" things on and off the court.

But we probably will never know what actually occurred in this situation but it will be interesting to see whether UT can pull a PG in quickly and how they will do this season.
 
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patrick said:
Well if the alleged "plagiarism" committed by Golden was fabricated by the Athletic Department there are serious legal ramifications
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I'm sure the AD is setting Trae up and made it all up. Hey, lets say he cheated and make him leave is always the plan of people in education.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm sure the AD is setting Trae up and made it all up. Hey, lets say he cheated and make him leave is always the plan of people in education.
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The AD hasn't released a statement as to the reason for his "transfer", right?

Also, why is this being called a "transfer"? If he cheated, came up against the SJA and was dismissed from school, why isn't it being reported that he's "being dismissed"?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
The AD hasn't released a statement as to the reason for his "transfer", right?

Also, why is this being called a "transfer"? If he cheated, came up against the SJA and was dismissed from school, why isn't it being reported that he's "being dismissed"?
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I think Trae decided against the SJA hearing. As for calling it a transfer, I assumed that was Martin "doing whats best for Trae". The way we handled it gives him the best chance at playing time next yr. IMO
 
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GoobieVol said:
I think Trae decided against the SJA hearing. As for calling it a transfer, I assumed that was Martin "doing whats best for Trae". The way we handled it gives him the best chance at playing time next yr. IMO
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His odds of playing for a D1 school if he got kicked out of UT for cheating are slim to none. I don't see how he can possibly play next year, even if he left the school in good academic standing, he hasn't graduated.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
His odds of playing for a D1 school if he got kicked out of UT for cheating are slim to none. I don't see how he can possibly play next year, even if he left the school in good academic standing, he hasn't graduated.
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Only way I see it is if a school allows him to enroll in summer school to make up the class he was caught cheating in. I'm assuming he would be able to get caught up in summer school tho. And I dont have to tell you what happens to folks who assume.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Only way I see it is if a school allows him to enroll in summer school to make up the class he was caught cheating in. I'm assuming he would be able to get caught up in summer school tho. And I dont have to tell you what happens to folks who assume.
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Still wouldn't be eligible unless he graduates which reports are that isn't possible. D1 that is. A lower level he is likely eligible regardless
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Plus, no school is going to enroll him is his transcripts from UT have "Cheated!!!" and 'Plagiarized!!!" stamped in red across them.
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I think that's the point of a lot of these mix signals. It won't be stamped on his official records
 
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BruinVol said:
Still wouldn't be eligible unless he graduates which reports are that isn't possible. D1 that is. A lower level he is likely eligible regardless
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see why I dont like to assume. thanks for the clarification tho. :hi:
 
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BruinVol said:
I think that's the point of a lot of these mix signals. It won't be stamped on his official records
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I dunno, something is fishy. If there are "repeated plagiarisms and cheating", then it will appear in his file. When he applies to another school, that school will have access to his file with UTK. The contents of that file, however, fall under FERPA and cannot be disclosed to the public willy-nilly. The University cannot speak on his academic record, and whoever "leaked" this information just violated a Federal law.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I dunno, something is fishy. If there are "repeated plagiarisms and cheating", then it will appear in his file. When he applies to another school, that school will have access to his file with UTK. The contents of that file, however, fall under FERPA and cannot be disclosed to the public willy-nilly. The University cannot speak on his academic record, and whoever "leaked" this information just violated a Federal law.
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If he agreed to accept an F in the class without any hearing/protest wouldn't his official records stay clean if he agreed to leave quietly??
 
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BruinVol said:
If he agreed to accept an F in the class without any hearing/protest wouldn't his official records stay clean if he agreed to leave quietly??
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Possibly, but that implies that it is the University's policy allow all students to plead "no contest" to accusations or plagiarism or cheating and avoid it appearing on their transcripts. I don't know enough about University policy to know if this is or is not the case.
 
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BruinVol said:
If he agreed to accept an F in the class without any hearing/protest wouldn't his official records stay clean if he agreed to leave quietly??
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If that is the case couldnt he make that class up in summer school, and be eligible to play next year?
 
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Golden isn't as good at making academic cheating allegations disappear as he was at making consistent PG play disappear.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
You mean dad isn't going to admit that his son is a repeated cheater? That's strange...
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If Trae was a cheater, I'm pretty sure this would have came up around two years ago. Cheaters just don't start cheating two years into college.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
If Trae was a cheater, I'm pretty sure this would have came up around two years ago. Cheaters just don't start cheating two years into college.
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Every cheater gets caught every time? And sure, it's possible to not cheat in the beginning but begin cheating later.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
If Trae was a cheater, I'm pretty sure this would have came up around two years ago. Cheaters just don't start cheating two years into college.
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Not necessarily I know a person who was kicked out of grad school about two weeks before finals of his final semester for plagiarism on a paper. First and only time anything like that had come up for the person and was a shock to all of our classmates. His reasoning was there was too much on his plate so he resorted to cheating. Maybe the same kind of thing happened here.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Every cheater gets caught every time? And sure, it's possible to not cheat in the beginning but begin cheating later.
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So, you're saying that Trae suddenly woke up one day and decided to cheat? If that's the case, he would have been dismissed, not leaving in good standing. He also could have appealed. That also didn't happen.
 
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