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Let's face it; we had the perfect storm.............NIL, the transfer portal, and Saban is on the down slope.We all know the story. 2 years ago Danny White, after being turned down by multiple candidates (by many sources), settled on Josh Heupel, the coach from whence White came, UCF. Not surprisingly, many Vol fans were underwhelmed by the hire. Some were very vocal about it, others were resigned, some took a wait and see approach. I was personally very underwhelmed, though it did seem like Heupel was generally articulate and he came across as genuine - a definite move up from Slingblade McGump.
Today, it seems a few fans are taking some form of delight in bumping old threads where many expressed disapointment in the hire, some more vocal than others. I don't get it. I don't recall anyone jumping up and down about the hire, CERTAIN we would win 11 games in his second season. I think we have ALL been pleasant;ly surprised by how fast Heupel seems to have turned the program and the culture.
Why make this an issue? Are some just that bored? I don't know a single fan on this board who is nbot generally positive about Heupel at this point. If some have been slow to get onboard, well excuse the F out of them as we have ALL had to deal with 15-20 years of an absolute poop-show.
Give it a rest, sparky. Heupel is doing great things. Let's just all be happy about that, and hope that Tennessee football wil;ll soon be back among the elite!
True, when things are going really awesome, fair weather fans flock to the banner. The bandwagon gets crowded.@WilcoVolsFan, I'll extend an olive branch by observing that I don't think there are any bandwagon or fair-weather fans left on the board. After the 15-20 year poop fest we have been through, I think those types of fans are wearing red hats with a knock-off of the Green Bay Packers logo this morning.
Those that are left are true Vols. You and me included.
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Here's another thought.
Maybe not declare your hastily assembled and uninformed opinion as a fact, share it in the most dramatically Karen way possible for max. drama, then get your panties in a twisty when it's humorously brought up later w/a "Still true?" or similar response. That, or laugh it off as "OK, you got me" take the L and not create a new thread calling more attention to it w/the title of pay no attention to it.
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None of them. Didn't you hear Danny White say Heupel is the only coach he offered the job to? LOLI’m not so sure that White didn’t pull one over on Volnation. I think Heup was his guy all along and he interviewed just for perception, to appease us Vol lunatics.
I’d be curious to know how many “candidates” actually had an offer opposed to just being interviewed.
I love a parade!!!We all know the story. 2 years ago Danny White, after being turned down by multiple candidates (by many sources), settled on Josh Heupel, the coach from whence White came, UCF. Not surprisingly, many Vol fans were underwhelmed by the hire. Some were very vocal about it, others were resigned, some took a wait and see approach. I was personally very underwhelmed, though it did seem like Heupel was generally articulate and he came across as genuine - a definite move up from Slingblade McGump.
Today, it seems a few fans are taking some form of delight in bumping old threads where many expressed disapointment in the hire, some more vocal than others. I don't get it. I don't recall anyone jumping up and down about the hire, CERTAIN we would win 11 games in his second season. I think we have ALL been pleasant;ly surprised by how fast Heupel seems to have turned the program and the culture.
Why make this an issue? Are some just that bored? I don't know a single fan on this board who is nbot generally positive about Heupel at this point. If some have been slow to get onboard, well excuse the F out of them as we have ALL had to deal with 15-20 years of an absolute poop-show.
Give it a rest, sparky. Heupel is doing great things. Let's just all be happy about that, and hope that Tennessee football wil;ll soon be back among the elite!
If you’re READING it, how is it “behind your back”?One went as far as to sling personal insults my way. It amazes me how some people have the audacity to say things to you via a board that would never do so in person. There should be more transparency on these boards. It would minimize the cowardice.
What Heupel and company have done thus far is well beyond any realistic expectations anyone could have had for him when he took the job. He still has more years ahead of him to prove staying power, but no one has any current grounds to doubt him. His trajectory from 3 wins to 11 wins in 2 years is steeper than anyone's in the SEC that is still coaching and perhaps all of the BIG 5.
Still, none of that changes the fact that he had 2 years of head coaching experience prior to taking the job at Tennessee. None of which were in a Big 5 conference. His accomplishments at UCF were difficult to assess as he inherited an undefeated team at UCF that was slowly trending in the wrong direction.
Facts are he had yet to prove himself at this level and was taking on a project noone else wanted and noone else had succeeded at in 4 years before or many after the one guy who had and we fired. We had a guy come in with many years of HC experience and championships in similar leagues who came close, but could not do it. So, why would we have felt confident Heupel could do it when he inherited an even worse situation?
Once many of us heard Heupel and his staff take the podium, we were all set a little more at ease by the professional, articulate, perceptive and knowledgeable staff that began to speak to us one by one. It is then that I began to become more supportive and felt there was something different about this bunch than anything we have seen. The rest has been history.
Anyone else has anything to say about my or anyone else's character via a message board, or any other means that is behind one's back might as well sign their comments with, "AKA Coward".
Wow! So I guess the olive branch isn't welcomed then?? LOL
It is VERY important for you to be right, and to attack others as much as possible in so doing. So, again, I'll just say that every long term poster on here has been right and wrong about items yet to pass, except apparently you, and if you get enjoyment finding those examples where posters are wrong, and rolling in it much like a cat rolls in catnip, who am I to deny you your simple pleasures??
There. Feel better??
Converse can be true. Got a lot of grief (and thread bumps) for supporting previous HC’s. I never called for sweeping reforms. IMO only two groups should feel targeted: The “I know why this is a disaster and this is why you guys are too stupid and sunshine pumping to realize it!” and the “I hope I’m wrong about how this sets up for another 15 years of failure…but I know I’m not!” TBH the latter group is more annoying. If either are annoyed with revisiting their previous contributions then God’s work is being done.Wow! So I guess the olive branch isn't welcomed then?? LOL
It is VERY important for you to be right, and to attack others as much as possible in so doing. So, again, I'll just say that every long term poster on here has been right and wrong about items yet to pass, except apparently you, and if you get enjoyment finding those examples where posters are wrong, and rolling in it much like a cat rolls in catnip, who am I to deny you your simple pleasures??
There. Feel better??
Why? Did you issue this kind of response to all the Chicken Littles that are having their posts bumped? If you have the "courage" to say it... then have the courage to own it. I think a few guys have done the right thing and said, "Dish up my crow". Those are guys who've likely learned to show a little patience before having their hissy fit in public. Others... are deflecting and blaming others for bringing up what are now pretty idiotic looking posts.
Personally I wouldn't care except there are some fringe nuts out there who will come at you personally.One went as far as to sling personal insults my way. It amazes me how some people have the audacity to say things to you via a board that would never do so in person. There should be more transparency on these boards. It would minimize the cowardice.
Three if you count the Covid year. The supposed "decline" in his first two years at UCF included a 12-0 team that lost to a very good LSU team by 8 points followed by a 10 win team that lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. In two years, he lost 4 games by 15 points. That's "the bounces" in football.What Heupel and company have done thus far is well beyond any realistic expectations anyone could have had for him when he took the job. He still has more years ahead of him to prove staying power, but no one has any current grounds to doubt him. His trajectory from 3 wins to 11 wins in 2 years is steeper than anyone's in the SEC that is still coaching and perhaps all of the BIG 5.
Still, none of that changes the fact that he had 2 years of head coaching experience prior to taking the job at Tennessee. None of which were in a Big 5 conference. His accomplishments at UCF were difficult to assess as he inherited an undefeated team at UCF that was slowly trending in the wrong direction.
"No one" is a bit much. And there were rumors from the start that White was going through the "process" just to get back to Heupel. People at the time didn't like it... but maybe White knew more than we did.Facts are he had yet to prove himself at this level and was taking on a project noone else wanted and noone else had succeeded at in 4 years before or many after the one guy who had and we fired.
There were a LOT of reasons to like Heupel over Jones.We had a guy come in with many years of HC experience and championships in similar leagues who came close, but could not do it. So, why would we have felt confident Heupel could do it when he inherited an even worse situation?
Honestly, that made me "like" him. But I wanted to see signs of good leadership. We saw them. I wanted to see a product on the field. He produced. I wanted to see him build a roster and develop players. In a pretty non-conventional and unexpected way, he has.Once many of us heard Heupel and his staff take the podium, we were all set a little more at ease by the professional, articulate, perceptive and knowledgeable staff that began to speak to us one by one. It is then that I began to become more supportive and felt there was something different about this bunch than anything we have seen. The rest has been history.
Don't forget that much of what you read here is stripped of non-verbal communication. Some of the things that are offensive may not have been intended that way.Anyone else has anything to say about my or anyone else's character via a message board, or any other means that is behind one's back might as well sign their comments with, "AKA Coward".
Whatever ignorant, emotional, wrong,... statement you might have made. I've eaten quite a few myself.Whoa. Is this a forum to exchange opinions about a college football team or world f***king affairs? Have the 'courage to own' what, exactly?
Yep. Someone not long ago reminded me of an opinion I expressed here that "didn't age well". So be it. No shame in being wrong... just shame in being stubbornly wrong after being proven wrong. Do you really think people who cannot admit they're wrong on an anonymous chat board suddenly become "great people" in real life? It is even harder when you have to actually look people in the face and admit being wrong.An opinion about a coaching hire that maybe didn't age well?
No. That's not the definition... but it falls under the definition. Does it sting?So the new definition of courage is to 'eat crow' and admit you were wrong about an opinion a couple of years ago about a college football coaching hire?
It is called wisdom. The "smarts" not to blab emotional, ignorant responses or opinions... that you might have to eat one day. That's a pretty good habit to develop whether you are stating opinions on a social media forum or dealing with a situation at work, home, or whatever.In what scheme of things is it important to "show a little patience" before posting an opinion on a college football team forum?
Honestly... you seem to have missed quite a few "memos".Did I miss the memo about the critical significance of being vigilant with our opinions and the consequences that might arise if we go too far astray, such as being called out in a thread a few years later?
I'm guessing you totally missed the irony of you making a comment like this?Listen, it doesn't matter to me who starts a thread about whatever, as the choice is yours to click or not to click into it, but to suggest that it shows character in any way, shape, or form to admit you were wrong a few years ago stating an opinion about what is essentially a source of entertainment is bizarre.
Yeah. I was pretty harsh with him here. But I wouldn't have held a grudge off board. He/she was a JG fan or maybe friend or family member. May have been JG himself for all I know. Pretty delusional regardless.I knew you and K-Town were fundamentally best buds all along
Personally I wouldn't care except there are some fringe nuts out there who will come at you personally.
I made a comment on FB that some "woke" activist didn't like. They called my company and tried to get me fired. It was a fairly benign comment that I tried to be at least reasonably gentle delivering. If it weren't for things like that... I'd use my real name and invite you guys over. Even in the worst arguments here, I've never harbored any ill will against anyone... except Dobbs4Heisman. He really did get under my skin some.
Three if you count the Covid year. The supposed "decline" in his first two years at UCF included a 12-0 team that lost to a very good LSU team by 8 points followed by a 10 win team that lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. In two years, he lost 4 games by 15 points. That's "the bounces" in football.
He didn't have a good Covid year but a lot of teams did due to player losses and disruptions.
Also, while not P-5, UCF was playing at a P-5 level at that point. They were as good or better than some SEC teams and several ACC teams.
"No one" is a bit much. And there were rumors from the start that White was going through the "process" just to get back to Heupel. People at the time didn't like it... but maybe White knew more than we did.
There were a LOT of reasons to like Heupel over Jones.
One, Jones was a used car salesman. He was fake. Two, he just wasn't a very good coach. He was awful in game. He couldn't develop players. He tried to be "cool" and thought coaching was a process of stringing cliches together on end. Three, his record was paper thin. In his time at Cincy, he built a record on beating bad teams. The only year he played a schedule with the majority having winning records... he had a losing record.
Heupel did take over a program that Frost had turned around. They were 13-0. OTOH, in the two years previous they had been 0-12 and 6-7. Frost's flash in the pan didn't have to be sustained. Heupel built on what Frost left or maybe he built most of it. In either event, he had two outstanding years and left a program that has won 9 games in both of the last two years.
My point isn't that Heupel was a sure thing. My point is that if you're trying to treat folks "fairly"... and you compare his resume with that of Pruitt, Jones, Dooley, Kiffin, and even Fulmer's last 6-8 years... Heupel deserved more of a "wait and see" than any of them.
Honestly, that made me "like" him. But I wanted to see signs of good leadership. We saw them. I wanted to see a product on the field. He produced. I wanted to see him build a roster and develop players. In a pretty non-conventional and unexpected way, he has.
I'm more impressed with his leadership and the culture he's been able to build than the football stuff. I think that has been a bigger turnaround. From where Jones then Pruitt had the program from a culture stand point to where it is now... is almost miraculous.
Don't forget that much of what you read here is stripped of non-verbal communication. Some of the things that are offensive may not have been intended that way.
We all know the story. 2 years ago Danny White, after being turned down by multiple candidates (by many sources), settled on Josh Heupel, the coach from whence White came, UCF. Not surprisingly, many Vol fans were underwhelmed by the hire. Some were very vocal about it, others were resigned, some took a wait and see approach. I was personally very underwhelmed, though it did seem like Heupel was generally articulate and he came across as genuine - a definite move up from Slingblade McGump.
Today, it seems a few fans are taking some form of delight in bumping old threads where many expressed disapointment in the hire, some more vocal than others. I don't get it. I don't recall anyone jumping up and down about the hire, CERTAIN we would win 11 games in his second season. I think we have ALL been pleasant;ly surprised by how fast Heupel seems to have turned the program and the culture.
Why make this an issue? Are some just that bored? I don't know a single fan on this board who is nbot generally positive about Heupel at this point. If some have been slow to get onboard, well excuse the F out of them as we have ALL had to deal with 15-20 years of an absolute poop-show.
Give it a rest, sparky. Heupel is doing great things. Let's just all be happy about that, and hope that Tennessee football wil;ll soon be back among the elite!
Jones didn't pan out, so why would we be so quick to jump on board for a guy with a lesser resume work out?
Amen to this! It’s fine to have an opinion, no matter how unguided or misinformed. But too many folks around here project said opinion with that know-it-all, holier-than-thou candor—which is why it’s nice to remind ourselves that sometimes these naysayers don’t know as much as they think they do.Here's another thought.
Maybe not declare your hastily assembled and uninformed opinion as a fact, share it in the most dramatically Karen way possible for max. drama, then get your panties in a twisty when it's humorously brought up later w/a "Still true?" or similar response. That, or laugh it off as "OK, you got me" take the L and not create a new thread calling more attention to it w/the title of pay no attention to it.
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And there it is. Living vicariously through a sports team. Your sudden appearance and audacious behavior makes total sense now.1. Because Jones failing has zero impact on the success or failure of future coaches. It's kind of like the idiot who plays roulette based upon patterns where the ball previously landed on the wheel.
2. Because he was our Coach. Our team leader and that alone earns him some initial support if you actually are a fan. Having doubts about the hire is not mutually exclusive from getting behind and supporting the program BEFORE the success is shown. Waiting on it and then hopping on is the very definition of a bandwagon fan i.e. You.
3. Because Heupel didn't have a lesser resume, your personal ignorance of his background notwithstanding. You see, this is another example your (uninformed) opinion being presented as fact again. FYI - that's part of the life lesson you're still missing BTW
4. Your version of events has some MAJOR revisions. You're getting your panties in a wad over my "Never Forget" takes but countering them w/your own "Never Remember" ones.
5. Nobody personally insulted your character over this. But I kinda am now - you're straight up lying about this. Which is odd, because who f'n cares, really? (I mean you, obviously, but why?)
I posted several times while he was still coach why he shouldn't have been hired based on his resume. I looked at his record in more detail. IIRC, the combined win % of his opponents at Cincy was under 40%. In 3 years he had 6 wins over teams that finished with a winning record... and 3 of them were 7-6. Overall he was 6-13 against teams with winning records. Heupel was 9-3 in his first two years at UCF against teams with winning records.I appreciate your response. My belief is Jones' resume was better than Huepel's and most of us knew nothing about the guy until he was here and opened his mouth. Jones didn't pan out, so why would we be so quick to jump on board for a guy with a lesser resume work out? Difference is, Heuep and company opened their mouths and people quickly placed more confidence in him.
True.1. Because Jones failing has zero impact on the success or failure of future coaches. It's kind of like the idiot who plays roulette based upon patterns where the ball previously landed on the wheel.
False. I'm no bandwagon fan but I do not give my trust/support or whatever you want to call it to a coach making millions just because someone hired him and he signed the contract. None of these guys are owed loyalty. They need to earn it by doing the job well.2. Because he was our Coach. Our team leader and that alone earns him some initial support if you actually are a fan. Having doubts about the hire is not mutually exclusive from getting behind and supporting the program BEFORE the success is shown. Waiting on it and then hopping on is the very definition of a bandwagon fan i.e. You.
Thanks for bringing to light the troll who is trying to stir the pot and divide the fan base.We all know the story. 2 years ago Danny White, after being turned down by multiple candidates (by many sources), settled on Josh Heupel, the coach from whence White came, UCF. Not surprisingly, many Vol fans were underwhelmed by the hire. Some were very vocal about it, others were resigned, some took a wait and see approach. I was personally very underwhelmed, though it did seem like Heupel was generally articulate and he came across as genuine - a definite move up from Slingblade McGump.
Today, it seems a few fans are taking some form of delight in bumping old threads where many expressed disapointment in the hire, some more vocal than others. I don't get it. I don't recall anyone jumping up and down about the hire, CERTAIN we would win 11 games in his second season. I think we have ALL been pleasant;ly surprised by how fast Heupel seems to have turned the program and the culture.
Why make this an issue? Are some just that bored? I don't know a single fan on this board who is nbot generally positive about Heupel at this point. If some have been slow to get onboard, well excuse the F out of them as we have ALL had to deal with 15-20 years of an absolute poop-show.
Give it a rest, sparky. Heupel is doing great things. Let's just all be happy about that, and hope that Tennessee football wil;ll soon be back among the elite!
And there it is. Living vicariously through a sports team. Your sudden appearance and audacious behavior makes total sense now.