Good Grief. Give it a Rest.

[vegasvolfan]

I posted several times while he was still coach why he shouldn't have been hired based on his resume. I looked at his record in more detail. IIRC, the combined win % of his opponents at Cincy was under 40%. In 3 years he had 6 wins over teams that finished with a winning record... and 3 of them were 7-6. Overall he was 6-13 against teams with winning records. Heupel was 9-3 in his first two years at UCF against teams with winning records.

His resume was thinner than the paper it was written on.

And whoever discussed football with him in his interview... should have been executed at sunrise.

Yeah not so sure I agree with your overall sentiments. I think they apply more to Dooley and whoever decided to fire Fulmer without a candidate in place. I do respect your eye for detail.

Regardless, Butch outperformed everyone, but Heupel, since Fulmer, got us to 2 consecutive 9 win seasons and thumping power 5 teams in the bowls. During his tenure, Tennessee football was fairly exciting again for many.

Thing is, it wasn't him as much as it was his coaches through his early years that got us where we were. When we started losing those guys, we became a worse team and learned just how thin his book is. I think people just didn't like the guy and noone wanted to play for him by the time he was gone.

 

[RavinDave]

Don’t look at her Dave !!! She’ll turn you into a horny toad !!! It’s already happened to me.

Too late I’m afraid

 

[sami]

Whatever ignorant, emotional, wrong,... statement you might have made. I've eaten quite a few myself.

What "world affairs" are you talking about? Being a decent human being applies everywhere and all the time.

Yep. Someone not long ago reminded me of an opinion I expressed here that "didn't age well". So be it. No shame in being wrong... just shame in being stubbornly wrong after being proven wrong. Do you really think people who cannot admit they're wrong on an anonymous chat board suddenly become "great people" in real life? It is even harder when you have to actually look people in the face and admit being wrong.

No. That's not the definition... but it falls under the definition. Does it sting?

It is called wisdom. The "smarts" not to blab emotional, ignorant responses or opinions... that you might have to eat one day. That's a pretty good habit to develop whether you are stating opinions on a social media forum or dealing with a situation at work, home, or whatever.

Honestly... you seem to have missed quite a few "memos".

I'm guessing you totally missed the irony of you making a comment like this?

It's a forum for exchanging opinions about a college football team. "Ignorant, emotional, wrong"? What difference does it really make? We're talking about sports here. You're actually comparing expressions of opinions on an anonymous internet forum or social media to situations at work or home? Wow.

I think you seriously need to get your priorities in order.

 

[Delmar]

Why are you looking at her face now?

Seen the rest of it plenty of times.

 

[VolInNW]

1. We had overlapping posts when your "olive branch" was offered
2. A here's why your wrong response to one of my posts that wasn't directed at your in the first place really isn't much of an "olive branch" in the first place? Esp. not 3-4 pages in this particular thread. It's more of passive aggressive way of trying to get the last word in and then playing the victim when you don't get what you want.

If you want an olive branch though, just go away. You engaged me to start, not the other way around. Byeeeee....

Uh, no. Not going anywhere.

You feel the need to dig back two years in an effort to take shot shots at folks you don’t consider “real fans”. That’s pretty sad, my friend.

But please, enjoy it if it makes you happy. I choose to focus on the present and the amazingly positive vector of Tennessee sports.

You be you!!

 

[sjt18]

Yeah not so sure I agree with your overall sentiments. I think they apply more to Dooley and whoever decided to fire Fulmer without a candidate in place. I do respect your eye for detail.

Regardless, Butch outperformed everyone, but Heupel, since Fulmer, got us to 2 consecutive 9 win seasons and thumping power 5 teams in the bowls. During his tenure, Tennessee football was fairly exciting again for many.

Thing is, it wasn't him as much as it was his coaches through his early years that got us where we were. When we started losing those guys, we became a worse team and learned just how thin his book is. I think people just didn't like the guy and noone wanted to play for him by the time he was gone.

Jones squandered more talent than any of the coaches since Fulmer. He had a couple of homer and legacy classes fall right in his lap... and couldn't get it done. Can you imagine Heupel with Hurd, Kamara, Malone, Jennings, Callaway, etc?

My bigger grief with Jones is that he squandered an amazing opportunity.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Uh, no. Not going anywhere. You really are a smug little &$#@, aren’t you??

You feel the need to dig back two years in an effort to take shot shots at folks you don’t consider “real fans”. That’s pretty sad, my friend.

But please, enjoy it if it makes you happy. I choose to focus on the present and the amazingly positive vector of Tennessee sports.

You be you!!

So no more tree branches then?

 

[sjt18]

It's a forum for exchanging opinions about a college football team. "Ignorant, emotional, wrong"? What difference does it really make? We're talking about sports here. You're actually comparing expressions of opinions on an anonymous internet forum or social media to situations at work or home? Wow.

I think you seriously need to get your priorities in order.

Another VERY ironic comment coming from you considering the things you've written in this exchange.

 

[DaddyChad]

Don’t tell me how to live my life OP!!!!

 

[sami]

Another VERY ironic comment coming from you considering the things you've written in this exchange.

I'll leave it here - I said relax, it's a sports forum meant to have a fun exchange of opinions, not something of any real importance in life. You said that people should take the same care in expressing opinions about a football team on an anonymous internet forum as they do at work or at home. Who is the one that needs to better prioritize things? Have a nice day.

 

[sjt18]

I'll leave it here - I said relax, it's a sports forum meant to have a fun exchange of opinions, not something of any real importance in life. You said that people should take the same care in expressing opinions about a football team on an anonymous internet forum as they do at work or at home. Who is the one that needs to better prioritize things? Have a nice day.

Yes. Who you are... is who you are. And if it isn't then you might want to consider what kind of hypocrite you are in "real life".

 

[VolInNW]

Don’t tell me how to live my life OP!!!!

Eat right, exercise, spend time with your family........darn it, there I go again!

 

[vegasvolfan]

Jones squandered more talent than any of the coaches since Fulmer. He had a couple of homer and legacy classes fall right in his lap... and couldn't get it done. Can you imagine Heupel with Hurd, Kamara, Malone, Jennings, Callaway, etc?

My bigger grief with Jones is that he squandered an amazing opportunity.

Jones landed those guys.That's part of it. The other part of it is keeping the talent. The other guys may have done just as bad at both We have yet to have a guy recruit like Butch. Albeit, Heupel and co. clearly possesses a record of doing more with less. His players like him because he doesn't talk to his team like dogs. No leader does that. So, yeah, I can imagine. I think I stated in my original post that many were clearly wrong about Heupel and see why he gets more from "less". That said, I also think he is a great talent evaluator and supreme at designing offenses around strengths. I still think from what little we knew, plenty of debates can be made. With what we have seen ever since the hire should pipe a lot of people down.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Don’t tell me how to live my life OP!!!!

 

[overseasorange2]

"Every man dies, but not every man really lives"

 

[sjt18]

Jones landed those guys.That's part of it. The other part of it is keeping the talent. The other guys may have done just as bad at both We have yet to have a guy recruit like Butch. Albeit, Heupel and co. clearly possesses a record of doing more with less. His players like him because he doesn't talk to his team like dogs. No leader does that. So, yeah, I can imagine. I think I stated in my original post that many were clearly wrong about Heupel and see why he gets more from "less". That said, I also think he is a great talent evaluator and supreme at designing offenses around strengths. I still think from what little we knew, plenty of debates can be made. With what we have seen ever since the hire should pipe a lot of people down.

There are two reasons I disagree with that statement. One is that his best classes essentially fell into his lap and were not the product of him being a "great" recruiter. There were several legacies then homers like Hurd who never really wanted to go anywhere else.

Two is attrition and the number of overrated players he signed. According to 247, he signed the #7 class in 2014 and the #3 class in 2015. Out of the 32 4/5* players in those classes you have these 20. That's a lot of busts... or else severely undercoached players. Either way... Jones was an empty suit:

Todd Kelly- good player, no 4*
Dillon Bates- overrated 4*
Dewayne Hendrix- overrated 4*, transferred before playing
Derrell Scott- overrated 4*
Dontavious Blair- overrated 4*
D'Andre Payne- overrated but became a starter for Utah State
Gavin Bryant- overrated 4*
Chris Weatherd- overrated but played some
Evan Berry- great returner but no other impact
Charles Mosley- overrated 4*
Kahlil McKenzie- talented guy who Jones didn't put on the OL where he belonged, not a 5*
Preston Williams- flaked out
Drew Richmond- overrated 4*
Jack Jones- injury retirement
Darrin Kirkland- injury prone, retired as a Vol
Quarte Sapp- good player but not a 4*
Micah Abernathy- another good player, still overrated
Sheriron Jones- overrated 4*
Andrew Butcher- overrated 4*
Quinten Dormady- never played like a 4*

 

[sjt18]

Jones landed those guys.That's part of it. The other part of it is keeping the talent. The other guys may have done just as bad at both We have yet to have a guy recruit like Butch. Albeit, Heupel and co. clearly possesses a record of doing more with less. His players like him because he doesn't talk to his team like dogs. No leader does that. So, yeah, I can imagine. I think I stated in my original post that many were clearly wrong about Heupel and see why he gets more from "less". That said, I also think he is a great talent evaluator and supreme at designing offenses around strengths. I still think from what little we knew, plenty of debates can be made. With what we have seen ever since the hire should pipe a lot of people down.

Concerning Heupel. He appears to treat guys with respect but is still straight with them with criticism and praise. Jones was always trying to prove he was "cool". There were rumors they were rough in practice but we hear some rumors like that now especially about CRG. I don't think many good football players are "offended" by being coached tough.

IMHO, Jones was influenced by the recruiting sites and tried to influence them to rate his commits higher. He as much as admitted it a couple of times. He was all image and no substance. I can't stand people like that. I think that's eventually why it all folded on him.

In recruiting, Heupel and his staff seem to trust their own evals. They also seem to take fewer character risks than previous UT coaches. You can't coach a player up if he isn't on the team even if his 40 time is a tenth faster than an alternate recruit with great character.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

There are two reasons I disagree with that statement. One is that his best classes essentially fell into his lap and were not the product of him being a "great" recruiter. There were several legacies then homers like Hurd who never really wanted to go anywhere else.

Two is attrition and the number of overrated players he signed. According to 247, he signed the #7 class in 2014 and the #3 class in 2015. Out of the 32 4/5* players in those classes you have these 20. That's a lot of busts... or else severely undercoached players. Either way... Jones was an empty suit:

Todd Kelly- good player, no 4*
Dillon Bates- overrated 4*
Dewayne Hendrix- overrated 4*, transferred before playing
Derrell Scott- overrated 4*
Dontavious Blair- overrated 4*
D'Andre Payne- overrated but became a starter for Utah State
Gavin Bryant- overrated 4*
Chris Weatherd- overrated but played some
Evan Berry- great returner but no other impact
Charles Mosley- overrated 4*
Kahlil McKenzie- talented guy who Jones didn't put on the OL where he belonged, not a 5*
Preston Williams- flaked out
Drew Richmond- overrated 4*
Jack Jones- injury retirement
Darrin Kirkland- injury prone, retired as a Vol
Quarte Sapp- good player but not a 4*
Micah Abernathy- another good player, still overrated
Sheriron Jones- overrated 4*
Andrew Butcher- overrated 4*
Quinten Dormady- never played like a 4*

Solid list, but I can't help but wonder how many of those guys would've had a different direction in their career under a Coach like CJH though.

Alvin Kamara in a Heupel offense???? OMFG...he'd have set the MFing record books on fire rather than being relegated as second string for a 1.5 seasons.



EDIT: Just saw you said nearly the same thing a few posts earlier.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BreatheUT]

Lane, buddy, you were a free man and could do whatever I guess, but ... just ... was she really that bad? Really? Reaaaaally?

It's never enough for some.

 

[loservol]

It's a forum for exchanging opinions about a college football team. "Ignorant, emotional, wrong"? What difference does it really make? We're talking about sports here. You're actually comparing expressions of opinions on an anonymous internet forum or social media to situations at work or home? Wow.

I think you seriously need to get your priorities in order.

Some people takes this board way too serious. Worse part is when people can't debate a topic and resort to childish name-calling. Lots of times I had to pull back on a topic, because I don't know how disturb the individual is on the other side of an issue.