Good thing Tennessee didn’t hire Lane!

[Boston Vol]

There is a difference in leaving a better job with a 2 week notice vs stealing the microwave and emptying the register as you go.

Told his recruits to come with him, left in the middle of the night, & we got violations because of him. If you're going to be a realist be a realist all the way. Not just with half the story for your bias.

There’s no such thing as a two week notice in college coaching. We’re you just as disgusted with how Butch left Cincinnati? I mean he interviewed with Dave Hart in a hotel room in Lexington, KY early in the morning, then went back to Cincinnati a few hours later and told his boss and team he was leaving.

 

[C-south]

Let's get this straight, once and for all. Lane Kiffin has never won a damn thing as a head coach. And he has had several chances. Furthermore, he crapped on your front porch and rang the door bell. And you want him back because of why? Because he put up 60 on Tulane? This Tennessee fan wouldn't take that punk back if he worked for free. Stop the Kiffin worship. You're making fools of yourselves.

The one year he was here he made a terrible qb into an NFL draft pick. We won some big games and competed in every SEC game except one which was ironically Ole Miss. Last year at Ole Miss they had a terrible defense but at least played to win every game. They were fun to watch. Fans knew the team was outmatched in a lot of areas but he did things that at least gave them hope. So far JH hasn’t done anything to give many people hope. He just looks like another Dooley, Pruitt, Jones hire. Hell if I had known we’d be here right now I'd just assume stuck with Butch.

 

[Volfan76]

Tennessee’s pride has become laughable. Ole Miss sure is enjoyable to watch!!! Wonder how Tennessee would look right now if they’d just swallowed their pride and gone after him when they could have. Tennessee will unfortunately struggle for many more years.

I don't think anybody that didn't want Kiffin ever dreamed that Heupel was the alternative.

 

[DonjoVol]

I would have preferred Kiffin over Pruitt but the narrative being spun here that he is a top 5 coach in football is mind-boggling even for VolNation. Kiffin has had 5 head coaching jobs. He's hated at 3 of the 5 and for good reason. One is Florida Atlantic and one he has been coaching at for 18 months or so and is barely above .500.

Even Al Davis went out of his way and held a special press conference regarding Lane Kiffin.

However, I do think Lane has matured since then and his time with Saban really did help. His stint at Florida Atlantic also helped. I still believe that was the perfect job for him and should have stayed.

 

[DonjoVol]

The one year he was here he made a terrible qb into an NFL draft pick. We won some big games and competed in every SEC game except one which was ironically Ole Miss. Last year at Ole Miss they had a terrible defense but at least played to win every game. They were fun to watch. Fans knew the team was outmatched in a lot of areas but he did things that at least gave them hope. So far JH hasn’t done anything to give many people hope. He just looks like another Dooley, Pruitt, Jones hire. Hell if I had known we’d be here right now I'd just assume stuck with Butch.

Heupel is still barely into his first year. Lets give the man some time to get this turned around. He needs at least 4 to 5 years minimum.

 

[Behr]

 

[hUTch2002]

-----------------Still stand by what I said ! Kiffin is top five easily in my opinion !!!!

I disagree and, you know what? That’s ok! Amazing that 2 adults can disagree civilly. Have a good one and Go Vols!

 

[KingtUT]

Tennessee’s pride has become laughable. Ole Miss sure is enjoyable to watch!!! Wonder how Tennessee would look right now if they’d just swallowed their pride and gone after him when they could have. Tennessee will unfortunately struggle for many more years.

For some reason i thought we did hire him once.

 

[C-south]

Heupel is still barely into his first year. Lets give the man some time to get this turned around. He needs at least 4 to 5 years minimum.

In 4-5 years he better be winning SEC championships and have us in the championship playoff.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Jones was a band member. Josh Heupel was a consensus All American quarterback who won the National Championship. Josh Heupel was the QB coach/OC for 6 Big 12 championships. He has coached multiple Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks and #1 NFL draft picks. He has coached record setting quarterbacks as an assistant and as a head coach at multiple schools. He has won 77 percent of games he has coached as a head coach. Josh Heupel has accomplished MUCH more than Butch Jones in football and failed way less.

Different words but the same meaning: you're being dishonest.

Jeremy Pruitt won multiple national championships, with two different schools no less, as defensive coordinator. Does that mean he's a better head coach than Lane Kiffin or Dan Mullen? He's not even close to as good as either of them as a head coach, and such is provable by his record as a head coach. You do understand that accomplishments as a player are as meaningless to what someone has accomplished as a head coach as Pruitt's accomplishments as a coordinator are meaningless pertaining his ability as a head coach? Or do you?

 

[lifeisdeep]

Here's is what I have to say about Kiffin... If you were in a relationship and the person you dated beat you black and blue would you take them back if they "changed" afterwards?

If your answer is yes then shame on you. Have some pride and self worth. Maybe he will make the next person happen but what he did to you is unforgivable. And your self worth is worth more than that.

That's how I view it anyways. He made his bed. We shouldnt have to risk it to fix it.

You do realize a relationship is slightly different than a university football program? If our program is being run with no more business sense than that we really are in trouble.

Here's an analogy for you: suppose you owned a small company, and your star employee left in the middle of the night for a Fortune 500 company. In four years he flamed out there; but then he slowly built back his reputation, including making a lot of money for a Fortune 100 company in a lesser role than the one he had at the 500; then he made a lot of money for a business even smaller than yours, more money than that business had ever made, by far, to the point that he was suddenly in demand again by Fortune 500 companies for another executive role like the one he had lost.

Suppose this guy, in the brief time he had worked for you, had made you more money than any other employee you had had in several years prior to that; he had made you drastically more money than any employee you've had since, and to tell the truth, now you've had a run of fully-certified idiots, and your business is on the ropes, as in, two or four more years of this and you're in Chapter 13.

And then you hear from a friend of a friend that that former star employee that made you all that money, wants his old job back. He hasn't left any job since you the way he left you, so there is some evidence that perhaps he has done as one or two other men in history have done, and matured.

Do you hire him and get to saving your business, or do you go down with the ship so you can keep your cherished pride at all costs?

It takes a special kind of fool to put his pride above the welfare of his business - or his football team.

 

[MiramarVol]

Kiffin admitted he made a terrible mistake. He even sent messages to UT basically begging for another chance. These "Fans" are just too pissed to forgive, like the UT Brass. So, NOW WHO are we going to have a shot at in the future? Name the Top 20 Coach UT will be in line for? None of them want the job. Fulmer should have hired Kiffin with a huge buyout to Tenn, and NONE to Kiffin----- and never looked back. The Guy can coach Football. AND recruit.

We've got a coach that wants to be here. That's not looking for a dream job. His name is Heupel. He's going to make a name for himself here because he's won everywhere he's been.

 

[VolArmy74]

Different words but the same meaning: you're being dishonest.

Jeremy Pruitt won multiple national championships, with two different schools no less, as defensive coordinator. Does that mean he's a better head coach than Lane Kiffin or Dan Mullen? He's not even close to as good as either of them as a head coach, and such is provable by his record as a head coach. You do understand that accomplishments as a player are as meaningless to what someone has accomplished as a head coach as Pruitt's accomplishments as a coordinator are meaningless pertaining his ability as a head coach? Or do you?

I said "Josh Huepel has accomplished more in football than Butch Jones ever will."

I can't fix your reading comprehension problems. Huepel is a football person and has been for decades. The poster I quoted was comparing him to Butch Jones riding Brian Kelly's coattails at multiple stops.

Butch was a guy who came to football late and is most famous for tanking our program. Huepel has been a key part of 7 major conference championships and a national championship. He was an outstanding player and hasn't failed as a coach at any stop, even when getting fired at Oklahoma they were a top 20 offense in the nation that year and averaged nearly 40 a game.

His experience on the field at the very highest level gives him a huge advantage over Butch Jones regarding football and how it's taught and what a player sees from the QB position.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I hope this thread stays alive. Corral might win the Heisman and Ole Miss might beat Bama this year. But yeah Kiffin is just an average coach and we don’t need him at TN because of his “integrity.”

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I said "Josh Huepel has accomplished more in football than Butch Jones ever will."

I can't fix your reading comprehension problems. Huepel is a football person and has been for decades. The poster I quoted was comparing him to Butch Jones riding Brian Kelly's coattails at multiple stops.

Butch was a guy who came to football late and is most famous for tanking our program. Huepel has been a key part of 7 major conference championships and a national championship. He was an outstanding player and hasn't failed as a coach at any stop, even when getting fired at Oklahoma they were a top 20 offense in the nation that year and averaged nearly 40 a game.

His experience on the field at the very highest level gives him a huge advantage over Butch Jones regarding football and how it's taught and what a player sees from the QB position.

I like Heupel much better than Jones but how can you say he has accomplished more than Butch?

 

[stillavol]

Jones was a band member. Josh Heupel was a consensus All American quarterback who won the National Championship. Josh Heupel was the QB coach/OC for 6 Big 12 championships. He has coached multiple Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks and #1 NFL draft picks. He has coached record setting quarterbacks as an assistant and as a head coach at multiple schools. He has won 77 percent of games he has coached as a head coach. Josh Heupel has accomplished MUCH more than Butch Jones in football and failed way less.

Who are the multiple Heisman Trophy QBs that Heupel has coached? I assume one is Sam Bradford but who is the other? Baker Mayfield only played under Lincoln Riley while at OU. I don't think Heupel called one play in a game that Mayfield played in. What am I missing?

 

[JarrettClass79]

Move on. We knew what he was when we hired him. I wished he had stayed but that is history. He will be Bama's HC when Saban retires. We should have gotten Mullins because he can build a program and win and he would not be a UF beating our &*(^ the next decade.

 

[VolArmy74]

I like Heupel much better than Jones but how can you say he has accomplished more than Butch?

For all the reasons I listed. He's played, won and coached at the very highest levels in football for 25 years. He has 7 major conference championships and a national championship as a player and coach.
Butch's only sniff of major conference championship level football came from being Nick Saban's coffee boy. Vanderbilt made sure of that.

Huepel's career arc is up, Jones' career arc looks like a stock market chart in 1929.

 

[Boston Vol]

Who are the multiple Heisman Trophy QBs that Heupel has coached? I assume one is Sam Bradford but who is the other? Baker Mayfield only played under Lincoln Riley while at OU. I don't think Heupel called one play in a game that Mayfield played in. What am I missing?

Well technically Heupel was coaching him the year that Mayfield sat out after transferring from TT. But you’re right, on the field, Lincoln Riley was the only OC that he played for.

 

[VolArmy74]

Who are the multiple Heisman Trophy QBs that Heupel has coached? I assume one is Sam Bradford but who is the other? Baker Mayfield only played under Lincoln Riley while at OU. I don't think Heupel called one play in a game that Mayfield played in. What am I missing?

Baker Mayfield was coached for a year by Huepel. He was in the QB room with him every day for a year. He ran the scout team for Heupel while he sat out his transfer year. He specifically turned down scholarship offers when he transferred, to walk on at Oklahoma to be coached by Heupel. That after watching Landry Jones rewrite the Oklahoma record book and finish his career as the 3rd leading passer in NCAA history.

 

[VolArmy74]

Move on. We knew what he was when we hired him. I wished he had stayed but that is history. He will be Bama's HC when Saban retires. We should have gotten Mullins because he can build a program and win and he would not be a UF beating our &*(^ the next decade.

Alabama would break their necks laughing if someone suggested they hire Lane Kiffin.

 

[windrider]

Yea, because what I said is so dumb. Lane would have come back and Tennessee football would have at least been entertaining again. Maybe he would have left again and maybe not but it would have at least been entertaining. I know most of you live in East Tennessee and are surrounded by other Tennessee fans. Trust me when I tell you no one outside of East Tennessee has any respect for Tennessee football, to the point where it’s not even an afterthought. When I tell people I’m a Tennessee fan they don’t even bother to talk trash anymore and haven’t in years. It’s pathetic

If I want to be entertained I will go to Hooters or Twin Peaks. Otherwise, I want to watch my team (UT) winning or at least clearly on that path. Sadly, too many here are willing to settle for less.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

For all the reasons I listed. He's played, won and coached at the very highest levels in football for 25 years. He has 7 major conference championships and a national championship as a player and coach.
Butch's only sniff of major conference championship level football came from being Nick Saban's coffee boy. Vanderbilt made sure of that.

Huepel's career arc is up, Jones' career arc looks like a stock market chart in 1929.

I mean as a HC only. Using his player stats or accomplishments as an assistant really doesn’t count. Butch has accomplished more as a head coach than Heupel. But only because he has been one for much longer.

 

[stillavol]

Baker Mayfield was coached for a year by Huepel. He was in the QB room with him every day for a year. He ran the scout team for Heupel while he sat out his transfer year. He specifically turned down scholarship offers when he transferred, to walk on at Oklahoma to be coached by Heupel. That after watching Landry Jones rewrite the Oklahoma record book and finish his career as the 3rd leading passer in NCAA history.

I seriously doubt that. If that was the case Mayfield would have left when they fired Heupel. Riley coaches him for 3 years on the field and you really believe it was Heupel who taught him?? In fact Mayfield gave all the credit to Riley in his Heisman speech lol. I don't think he mentioned Heupel's name? But believe what you want.

 

[VolArmy74]

I seriously doubt that. If that was the case Mayfield would have left when they fired Heupel. Riley coaches him for 3 years on the field and you really believe it was Heupel who taught him?? In fact Mayfield gave all the credit to Riley in his Heisman speech lol. I don't think he mentioned Heupel's name? But believe what you want.

Mayfield transferred from Texas Tech to Oklahoma, he had to sit a year and lost a year of eligibility once he transferred within the conference, Texas Tech made a huge stink about it. He wasn't going to tranafer again and sit another year for 2015. Huepel was the QB coach and offense coordinator who had coached the #1 draft pick and Heisman winner in Bradford and the all time Oklahoma passing leader in Jones leading into the transfer year. Mayfield left TT in December then enrolled at Oklahoma and showed up at the football facility. Huepel found him walking with the other QBs. Stoops hadn't even met him yet. You're not smart if you don't believe Huepel and his massive success coaching QBs was a major factor in his choice of schools.

P.S Lincoln Riley was at East Carolina at the time and would be for another year.