Good thing Tennessee didn’t hire Lane!

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Boston Vol said:
How exactly did he crap on the front porch and ring the door bell? You mean by leaving for a better job and doubling his salary in the process? That sounds like what 99% of people would do. And before you accuse me of being a Kiffin fanboy, I’m not, I’m just a realist.
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Some people you cannot draw them a picture !!!!
 
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MiramarVol said:
We've got a coach that wants to be here. That's not looking for a dream job. His name is Heupel. He's going to make a name for himself here because he's won everywhere he's been.
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Make no mistake, his dream job is Oklahoma because that’s where he played and also coached some. While the probability of Riley leaving is less than 5%, don’t think that Heupel wouldn’t jump at the job if offered. I wouldn’t blame him either. It’s his Alma mater
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I would have preferred Kiffin over Pruitt but the narrative being spun here that he is a top 5 coach in football is mind-boggling even for VolNation. Kiffin has had 5 head coaching jobs. He's hated at 3 of the 5 and for good reason. One is Florida Atlantic and one he has been coaching at for 18 months or so and is barely above .500.
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Get back to me in two weeks when Ole Miss Beats bama .
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I said "Josh Huepel has accomplished more in football than Butch Jones ever will."

I can't fix your reading comprehension problems. Huepel is a football person and has been for decades. The poster I quoted was comparing him to Butch Jones riding Brian Kelly's coattails at multiple stops.

Butch was a guy who came to football late and is most famous for tanking our program. Huepel has been a key part of 7 major conference championships and a national championship. He was an outstanding player and hasn't failed as a coach at any stop, even when getting fired at Oklahoma they were a top 20 offense in the nation that year and averaged nearly 40 a game.

His experience on the field at the very highest level gives him a huge advantage over Butch Jones regarding football and how it's taught and what a player sees from the QB position.
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Blather all you want but trying to argue that accomplishments as a player or as a position coach or coordinator are the same as accomplishments as a coach just makes you look foolish.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You do realize a relationship is slightly different than a university football program? If our program is being run with no more business sense than that we really are in trouble.

Here's an analogy for you: suppose you owned a small company, and your star employee left in the middle of the night for a Fortune 500 company. In four years he flamed out there; but then he slowly built back his reputation, including making a lot of money for a Fortune 100 company in a lesser role than the one he had at the 500; then he made a lot of money for a business even smaller than yours, more money than that business had ever made, by far, to the point that he was suddenly in demand again by Fortune 500 companies for another executive role like the one he had lost.

Suppose this guy, in the brief time he had worked for you, had made you more money than any other employee you had had in several years prior to that; he had made you drastically more money than any employee you've had since, and to tell the truth, now you've had a run of fully-certified idiots, and your business is on the ropes, as in, two or four more years of this and you're in Chapter 13.

And then you hear from a friend of a friend that that former star employee that made you all that money, wants his old job back. He hasn't left any job since you the way he left you, so there is some evidence that perhaps he has done as one or two other men in history have done, and matured.

Do you hire him and get to saving your business, or do you go down with the ship so you can keep your cherished pride at all costs?

It takes a special kind of fool to put his pride above the welfare of his business - or his football team.
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But this is a man who failed at USC, failed at the Raiders, and failed at Tennessee... Why hire someone with such a poor resume? There is no proof he is a "for sure" hire.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
We could have had Kiffin....................He is without a doubt in the top 5 coaches in the USA. But no, our fans did not want a good coach. So, we took the economy route !
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WE didn’t? Where’s that link?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Blather all you want but trying to argue that accomplishments as a player or as a position coach or coordinator are the same as accomplishments as a coach just makes you look foolish.
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In his fourth year as a HC and he has a 30-9 record. Lot not to hate.

After his fourth year, Kiffin was 32-20 and was fired (on the tarmac) 5 games into the next season.
 
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Boston Vol said:
How exactly did he crap on the front porch and ring the door bell? You mean by leaving for a better job and doubling his salary in the process? That sounds like what 99% of people would do. And before you accuse me of being a Kiffin fanboy, I’m not, I’m just a realist.
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USC is not a better job. And regardless of his salary or leaving. The way he did it was crapping on our porch. Including trying to steal recruits using our cell phone. He is scum and a mediocre HC
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
USC is not a better job. And regardless of his salary or leaving. The way he did it was crapping on our porch. Including trying to steal recruits using our cell phone. He is scum and a mediocre HC
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Lol at USC not being a better job than Tennessee. It absolutely is and there’s no real argument that it isn’t.
 
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Kiffin maybe end up being a good coach for Ole Miss, but the conviction some of you have that he this amazing coach is puzzling. His career suggests he is a very mediocre coach. He had consistent elite recruiting classes at USC and did exactly nothing with it.

Yes he can run a very successful knows offense. But there is more to coaching than running a good offense.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
But this is a man who failed at USC, failed at the Raiders, and failed at Tennessee... Why hire someone with such a poor resume? There is no proof he is a "for sure" hire.
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You have an odd definition of "failed" regarding what he did here. He went to a bowl in his first season - remind me the last coach to do that here besides him? He also came within a blocked field goal of beating Bama - remind me of the last coach to do that here, first year or otherwise?

He also had more success at his most recent stop - you know, the one that matters the most, since, you know, people are capable of learning and getting better at stuff they do - than any other coach in their history.

Stop lying.
 
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butchna said:
In his fourth year as a HC and he has a 30-9 record. Lot not to hate.

After his fourth year, Kiffin was 32-20 and was fired (on the tarmac) 5 games into the next season.
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Serious question: what do you think Heupel's record would be if he were hired, right now with much more experience than Kiffin had when he was given the job, as HC of an NFL team? How do you think Heupel would do, right now, at USC?

Take your answer, and I'll take my answer, and we'll see in a couple years, or more likely a couple months, which one of us was right.
 
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Carp said:
Kiffin maybe end up being a good coach for Ole Miss, but the conviction some of you have that he this amazing coach is puzzling. His career suggests he is a very mediocre coach. He had consistent elite recruiting classes at USC and did exactly nothing with it.

Yes he can run a very successful knows offense. But there is more to coaching than running a good offense.
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You left out the minor details of major scholarship reductions, bowl ban, etc. He only took over the program at the one of the worst points in its history.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You have an odd definition of "failed" regarding what he did here. He went to a bowl in his first season - remind me the last coach to do that here besides him? He also came within a blocked field goal of beating Bama - remind me of the last coach to do that here, first year or otherwise?

He also had more success at his most recent stop - you know, the one that matters the most, since, you know, people are capable of learning and getting better at stuff they do - than any other coach in their history.

Stop lying.
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Butch Jones almost beat Bama once too. And didn’t require a miracle to do it. Lane screwed up the end of that game. And went 7-6 so he basically was Dooley and didn’t accomplish as much as Butch here
 
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