Good to see Obama politicizing Trayvon

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T-TownVol said:
As a property owner in GATED/PRIVATE neighborhood in FL, I am 1,000% correct and you sir have no clue. When a neighborhood puts up the gate, they assume responsibility for their own streets. No city or county funds are allocated for those prive streets. They have to line up their own services.
Zimmerman was an appointed representative of that neighborhood that night and had EVERY right to stop TM.
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Okie dokie.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Because I said you were thinking with emotion and not fact? I did not mention race, I just stated FACTS that the media leave out on purpose.
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Yet some how I believe that if your(long haired) son was shot for not responding to a stalker, You would view this... DIFFERENTLY. How dare I?
 
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Should the kid be dead, NO. Should all sides just chill out and let the investigation play out, YES.
 
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Bonfire1 said:
Yet some how I believe that if your(long haired) son was shot for not responding to a stalker, You would view this... DIFFERENTLY. How dare I?
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Once agin with the name calling. Zimmerman was not a "stalker". He was on duty and had every right to ask TM who he was and why he was walking through the PRIVATE neighborhood.
I have two teenage sons and they respect adult authority.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Should the kid be dead, NO. Should all sides just chill out and let the investigation play out, YES.
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Here's the problem I have...I agree with what you just said, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us to chill out and let the investigation play out, yet you have taken the stance that Zimmerman did indeed act in self-defense, when there is no empirical evidence that he did.
 
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I won't argue with that. I do believe however, that we all know how things will play out once removed from this peticuliar "law enforcements" hands. I do not have every fact ( I admit) but you would have to be deaf dumb and blind, not to get what happened. I will not jump on the "racist" bandwagon, but I do believe Mr. Zimmerman was a "I think I am Rambo" personality. If I am wrong, I will GLADLY say so.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Here's the problem I have...I agree with what you just said, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us to chill out and let the investigation play out, yet you have taken the stance that Zimmerman did indeed act in self-defense, when there is no empirical evidence that he did.
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Show me where I said he "acted in self defense" please.
I am just tired of the bad information that the media is putting out. I have not taken a side, just stated facts.
 
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Bonfire1 said:
I won't argue with that. I do believe however, that we all know how things will play out once removed from this peticuliar "law enforcements" hands. I do not have every fact ( I admit) but you would have to be deaf dumb and blind, not to get what happened. I will not jump on the "racist" bandwagon, but I do believe Mr. Zimmerman was a "I think I am Rambo" personality. If I am wrong, I will GLADLY say so.
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Not that it has any standing in this situation, but do you know how long Zimmerman has been on that neighborhood watch team? Do you know that he has stopped other home invasions in that neighborhood? Do you know that the city of Sanford has a serious gang violence problem?
There are two sides to every story and the public is only getting one side. I have a client in Sanford and he is "in the loop" on what the police found when they arrived that night and it ain't what Sharpton would lead you to believe.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Not that it has any standing in this situation, but do you know how long Zimmerman has been on that neighborhood watch team? Do you know that he has stopped other home invasions in that neighborhood? Do you know that the city of Sanford has a serious gang violence problem?
There are two sides to every story and the public is only getting one side. I have a client in Sanford and he is "in the loop" on what the police found when they arrived that night and it ain't what Sharpton would lead you to believe.
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Yup, There are rats in the farm next door, Hence, I should shoot my neighbors rabbits, After all, they are furry skinned and I once stopped a rat????
Plus, after I chased the rabbit for a mile or so, he CHARGED ME!
I Like your calm/rational responses but "OJ didn'nt do it because it looked like the glove was hard to put on" responses?
 
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You can not grasp the notion that I have not said any thing about guilt or innocents.
Tell me this, did Zimmerman not have the same right to walk through the neighborhood where he actually owned property?
Nice barn yard story though.
 
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Bonfire1 said:
I won't argue with that. I do believe however, that we all know how things will play out once removed from this peticuliar "law enforcements" hands. I do not have every fact ( I admit) but you would have to be deaf dumb and blind, not to get what happened. I will not jump on the "racist" bandwagon, but I do believe Mr. Zimmerman was a "I think I am Rambo" personality. If I am wrong, I will GLADLY say so.
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What does that even mean?

The US DOJ and the State of Florida are investigating. How about we wait to see what their investigation turns up?
 
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T-TownVol said:
You can not grasp the notion that I have not said any thing about guilt or innocents.
Tell me this, did Zimmerman not have the same right to walk through the neighborhood where he actually owned property?
Nice barn yard story though.
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LOL! thanks.
I did put myself in both situations.
My son shot someone after wrongly accusing them of a crime (I support him but slap him upside the head and ask "what were you thinking?")
My son gets killed by a "dirty Harry" wanna be because he didn't answer the way his killer wanted him to ( I realize what really happened) Mr. Zimmerman took action. Unfortunately, he did not have the training of law enforcement or military with "right to kill" training. While I can understand his situation, the rest of us are responsible for our choices, and so shall he be.
I am much more careful with my choices.
 
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Guilty until proven innocent, got it.
Lets not forget that "Dirty Harry" had walked away from the confrontation. That is FACT backed up by an eye witness.
 
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dreVol said:
What does that even mean?

The US DOJ and the State of Florida are investigating. How about we wait to see what their investigation turns up?
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I will wait. The only reason we are having this discussion is because if/when he is found guilty, You will never mention your statements again (Unless to say that he was "railroaded" by the main stream media!)
 
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You have not waited, you have convicted him through the media.
I want justice, but not vigilante justice. Zimmerman has the right to a fair investigation. If he is found guilty I would "pull the lever".
 
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OK guys, I have no problem debating but everytime I refresh this thread, it jumbles up the order of response.
I know there will be a few that claim "YEAH, you are just scared". Sorry, but not scared of words on a computer screen. This has just become more annoyinig than gratifying. Pick it up later for those that wish :)
 
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Bonfire1 said:
I will wait. The only reason we are having this discussion is because if/when he is found guilty, You will never mention your statements again (Unless to say that he was "railroaded" by the main stream media!)
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I will never mention that we should wait to see what the investigation turns up? Or, that the media's rush to judgment is ridiculous? Or, that the race baiters are responsible for any perceived heightened racial tension?

Thanks for reading my mind, bro.
 
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Bonfire1 said:
Ha! I grew up in east TN, but that has to be the most dillusional, racist comment that I have ever heard.
Congrats, David Duke must be proud.
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What the hell are you talking about? The guy gives you facts with no mention of race, and you call him racist? Grow up.
 
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Vols520 said:
How do u know he disengaged? He is in a position of authority? Martin attacked him?

Not sure any of that is fact.
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It is called an eye witness with statements on record. A lot more trustworthy info than whatever you want to here sharpton claim. Zimmerman deserves his fair trial. It blows my mind why this even has to turn into a race issue.
 
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Zimmerman deserves a fair trial, but, this could have been avoided had he listened to the 911 dispatcher and not followed TM. He further complicated the matter by getting out of his vehicle. His actions led to the outcome. IMO, that makes it hard to argue self-defense.
 
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