Goodbye Oregon Football

Means received money to play football. No Oregon player (to our knowledge) has been paid to play football. Lyles and Oregon deny that he was paid to steer recruits to a program. No Oregon player agrees that they were steered to Oregon.

Unless there is some new information we don't know about, this isn't similar to the Means case at all.

Means was paid money to play for Alabama. It was by a booster and not the head coach. Alabama almost got the death penalty for it

Means was only paid to visit Kentucky


Both got probation, with Alabama getting the worse

Lyles is paid $25000 to steer recruits to Oregon.

How is that not any different from what Alabama and Kentucky did in the Means case?

Am I not making sense?
 
He's right, occasionally, but he's generally a crock.

Fans of every other team he covers, all news media in Portland and the rest of his colleagues throughout the country think he's a quality writer and generally on the spot with his stuff.

Duck fans are almost always the only fans who consistently have any beef with him, and it's because he's the only host on that station who doesn't get all starry-eyed when he talks about Duck football.
 
This is what's already accepted as fact:

Chip Kelly paid Will Lyles, somebody with a lot of influence with numerous Texas HS football players, $25k for scouting services which were rendered late and useless. This isn't a court of law, the 'AA only has to arbitrate that Kelly lied about what he purchased and that's that, he's done for. That is the absolute minimum that will happen. Considering how idiotically Kelly has shown to be so far, it's a relatively good likelihood that there will eventually be some sort of paper trail or hard evidence that Kelly paid Lyles to drive recruits to Oregon, which in the 'AA's eyes is just about as bad as paying the players directly.

If you're a Duck fan, the absolute best you can hope for is a few years of mediocrity from scholly reductions and then having to find a new coach, the worst case scenario would be the worst 'AA sanctions since at least Alabama, possibly back to SMU.
 
I'm open to hear where my reasoning is off.

Reading the comments here, for a few people here, it's obvious that there are personal reasons to want Oregon to be sanctioned whether they broke rules or not.

Chip Kelly paid a handler for a recruit that he was close to. Then provided evidence via handwritten cards. Then there are phone records proving that there was a lot of contact between the two, kind of odd since he just paid for a recruiting package that was "sent to him".

Head in the sand.
 
wheaton will still be denying it even when the NCAA turns down an appeal and Oregon has been smacked into irrelevance for years.
 
wheaton will still be denying it even when the NCAA turns down an appeal and Oregon has been smacked into irrelevance for years.

I honestly think you would be happier to see Oregon suck than to see Tennessee have a great run.
 
Chip Kelly paid a handler for a recruit that he was close to. Then provided evidence via handwritten cards. Then there are phone records proving that there was a lot of contact between the two, kind of odd since he just paid for a recruiting package that was "sent to him".

Head in the sand.

Let them think nothing will happen. It will make soooo much better when it does
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I honestly think you would be happier to see Oregon suck than to see Tennessee have a great run.

Its like this.

You are a fan of a team that has been a National Powerhouse for over 100 years. Then comes along a team that has a few years of success.

These fans then start pumping their chests like their team is the best thing since sliced bread. However, it is found out that the only reason they became relevant is through cheating.

The fans, blinded by both pride and not wanting to be the doormat that they normally were, vehemently deny that their "run" was based on lies. Regardless of how much they are shown evidence, they still do not listen.

This denial of wrongdoing is what makes me want to see Oregon burn. Plus I wont have to hear about or see the ugliest damn uniforms, I have ever seen, for awhile
 
Its like this.

You are a fan of a team that has been a National Powerhouse for over 100 years. Then comes along a team that has a few years of success.

These fans then start pumping their chests like their team is the best thing since sliced bread. However, it is found out that the only reason they became relevant is through cheating.

The fans, blinded by both pride and not wanting to be the doormat that they normally were, vehemently deny that their "run" was based on lies. Regardless of how much they are shown evidence, they still do not listen.

This denial of wrongdoing is what makes me want to see Oregon burn. Plus I wont have to hear about or see the ugliest damn uniforms, I have ever seen, for awhile

Whoever designed their horrid unis had to have been a gay former Mardi Gras costume designer
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Yes, the only reason that Oregon became relevant is because of accusations that center around a player that hasn't even seen the field yet for the Ducks.

Did Lyles steer Joey Harrington, Keenan Howry, Kenny Wheaton, and Akili Smith to Oregon too? What about Jonathan Stewart? Dennis Dixon? 2 star players like Jeff Maehl and Masoli?
 
Yes, the only reason that Oregon became relevant is because of accusations that center around a player that hasn't even seen the field yet for the Ducks.

Did Lyles steer Joey Harrington, Keenan Howry, Kenny Wheaton, and Akili Smith to Oregon too? What about Jonathan Stewart? Dennis Dixon? 2 star players like Jeff Maehl and Masoli?

You know Kelly had contact with Lyles since he has been OC at Oregon, right?

Its probably been going for longer than you or I know.

You have to understand. We play in the SEC. We know cheating when we see it
 
You know Kelly had contact with Lyles since he has been OC at Oregon, right?

Its probably been going for longer than you or I know.

You have to understand. We play in the SEC. We know cheating when we see it

Ok...the last paragraph made me laugh.
 
For the record since you guys are bashing Canzano, he has won multiple sportswriter of the year awards and investigative sports writer of the year from the AP.

I have listened to him daily for years, Duck fans hate him because he calls it like he sees it, and his opinion isn't always favorable to Chip Kelly or UofO, while the rest of his homestation slurps all things Ducks. Watching the army of Duck homers try and discredit him is pure comedy. Dog chasing its own tail good.

Yasser Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize. Writers awards are even more meaningless.

Given that you have criticized Duck fans simply for having clean trucks, it's hard to take your perspective on Canzano seriously either.

If you really want to claim that Canzano is a good journalist, we can go down that path and get into specifics. I'll start with a couple examples of his hackery:

A) He tried to create a scandal over how Belotti handled Dixon's knee injury, citing anonymous sources that told him how much players were told about the injury before the Arizona game. Rob Moseley, an actual journalist who works in Eugene, went around asking players if Canzano's claim was true. All of them said the opposite. When confronted on it, he backed off then started deleting peoples comments about it, etc.

B) Canzano once claimed that LeGarrette Blount punched Belotti in the face at practice and had to be restrained by other coaches and staff. Of course, he cited anonymous sources. Once again, Rob Moseley who actually attends nearly every practice in person, was able to recall one incident where there was some after-play pushing with Blount. But, he didn't punch anyone in the face, let alone Belotti. It was a minor incident and practice resumed immediately.

Don't make me get into the time that he got chewed out by Belotti's babysitter for calling his son a drunk or when he sounded the alarm because Dennis Dixon went to a strip club.

Lyles is paid $25000 to steer recruits to Oregon.

How is that not any different from what Alabama and Kentucky did in the Means case?

Am I not making sense?

No. I don't think you're making sense with this argument. Means is a football player. Lyles ran a scout business, a service for which nearly every program pays.

This is what's already accepted as fact:

Chip Kelly paid Will Lyles, somebody with a lot of influence with numerous Texas HS football players, $25k for scouting services which were rendered late and useless. This isn't a court of law, the 'AA only has to arbitrate that Kelly lied about what he purchased and that's that, he's done for. That is the absolute minimum that will happen. Considering how idiotically Kelly has shown to be so far, it's a relatively good likelihood that there will eventually be some sort of paper trail or hard evidence that Kelly paid Lyles to drive recruits to Oregon, which in the 'AA's eyes is just about as bad as paying the players directly.

Where has it been established that Kelly lied about what was purchased?

It may not be a court of law. However, I'm pretty sure that the NCAA will at least want to be able to articulate which rule was violated and how if they're going to rule that way.

Chip Kelly paid a handler for a recruit that he was close to. Then provided evidence via handwritten cards. Then there are phone records proving that there was a lot of contact between the two, kind of odd since he just paid for a recruiting package that was "sent to him".

Where has it been established that Kelly "paid a handler for a recruit"?

What rule is violated by Kelly talking to Lyles on the phone?

These fans then start pumping their chests like their team is the best thing since sliced bread. However, it is found out that the only reason they became relevant is through cheating.

The fans, blinded by both pride and not wanting to be the doormat that they normally were, vehemently deny that their "run" was based on lies. Regardless of how much they are shown evidence, they still do not listen.

This denial of wrongdoing is what makes me want to see Oregon burn. Plus I wont have to hear about or see the ugliest damn uniforms, I have ever seen, for awhile

As I wrote, cards shown.
 
AP Sportswriter Awards are about as meaningless as some of the championships that Alabama claims.
 
Bottom line: Canzano is a generally well-respected and well-recognized columnist, and the only group of people I've ever known to take consistent issue with him are Duck fans when he's not praising the program.
 
The problem is that once the NCAA gets involved they pretty much don't stop till they get something. They always find something when they start digging. Not to mention all the extra journalists that will be digging for the next bit of info on the situation
 

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