Goodbye Oregon Football

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#452
The Duck fans are like the fat kid with icing all over his face that swears he didn't eat the cake.
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JTrainDavis said:
The Duck fans are like the fat kid with icing all over his face that swears he didn't eat the cake.
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It depends on what you call icing. See, what happened was is that I had water all over my face, and I went outside. It was about 15 degrees out. That's the icing on my face. The reason my coach acted like he didn't know what the icing was is because he knows it as frosting. Just a little confusion.
 
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MaehlMan said:
And he makes ridiculous, false claims at times in order to sensationalize.
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Well jeeze, Billy! You really ought to let the Oregonian and 750 the game know with a detailed list of his lies so they can fire him asap.
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BigPapaVol said:
Likely. Don't care about that. Bent over fanbase is what entertains me.
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I guess that in the end, the money is all that really matters. Auburn will still have a replica trophy in their case and bragging rights, also.

I don't see much of a penalty for cheating in that situation.
 
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strongtower said:
I beg to differ. Maelman is cool but a large majority came here talking trash. You must of forgot posters like duckntn and others. And what about all the posts from them saying how relevant they are and what a joke we are currently.
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I thought maelman and duckntn are the same person.
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MaehlMan said:
I honestly think you would be happier to see Oregon suck than to see Tennessee have a great run.
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Maehl I normally don't interject anything on a personal basis concerning schools I have no allegiance to or interest in...I can't speak for all Vol fans, but because of wheaton, duckntn, and some of the "bandwagon" fans who posted prior to the UO-UT game last season, I think lots of Vol fans are still finding it hard to respect a school that has attained REAL relevance nationally only recently, while a program such as UT has been more than just relevant for over a CENTURY..I have no problem with a school and/or program establishing a traditon that spans decades and "earns" respect..But a short 5-10 year span of "tradition" and "national respect" would tend to turn public opinion sideways when it is flaunted as if it has been that way forever...I realize UO has established traditions like most Div I schools do, and I understand you being a loyal Ducks fan and commend you for your loyalty..But the bucket mouths who post here claiming such a big gap between UO and UT are an absolute embarrasment to fans who see things for what they are..Florida is a great example...Before the 1990's, who gave a s*** about their football program??..gator fans only..And now it seems as if everybody in college football should just annoint Oregon a major "power" based on a very recent run of success..Being in contention for a National Championship does speak to developing a program successfully...Being in contention for a Nationall Championship every year speaks to establishing and maintaining a major power..It has indeed been a dry spell for the Vols..but any logical fan will tell you it shouldn't last very long..IMO Football is a sport that tends to run in cycles and it will cycle back to UT very soon..But I would much rather see UT have another great run than see this short one by UO end...JMHO
 
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wheaton4prez said:
No. I don't think you're making sense with this argument. Means is a football player. Lyles ran a scout business, a service for which nearly every program pays.
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Let me simplify

Means played football in Memphis. Thought to be one of the best DL in the nation, his coach saw an opportunity to make some money. So he began shopping Means to schools like Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc.. for $200,000

Several Alabama boosters approach the coach, Lynn Lang, and offers 6 figures to get the coach to steer Means to sign with Bama. The payment was $30,000 in the fall(sound familiar) and the other $170,000 was received after Means signed with Alabama.

Means never received any money. Only his coach/handler

Do you get it now?
 
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#463
It is all going to come down to how the NCAA views it. The way it looks right now is that Kelley tried to cover this up. Why else would you ask a guy to send you outdated recruiting material? Why when asked if you knew the guy did you say no? Then a few months later say that you knew him as Will not Willie. What cracks me up is that if they had just paid the man his money he wouldn't have come forward with anymore info. To me they burnt their own bridge. Kelley is an arrogant pr*ck.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Let me simplify

Means played football in Memphis. Thought to be one of the best DL in the nation, his coach saw an opportunity to make some money. So he began shopping Means to schools like Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc.. for $200,000

Several Alabama boosters approach the coach, Lynn Lang, and offers 6 figures to get the coach to steer Means to sign with Bama. The payment was $30,000 in the fall(sound familiar) and the other $170,000 was received after Means signed with Alabama.

Means never received any money. Only his coach/handler

Do you get it now?
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No he still wont get it. Apparently Kelley is innocent of any wrong because he didnt know better.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
You may not. However, the their-fans-deserve-it group have shown their cards.



1. I was pointing out that simply paying Lyles isn't a violation in itself.

2. Trying to have the required written information in place for compliance doesn't mean that they didn't receive other legitimate services, information, video, etc.



Information about and video of Texas athletes.
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Of course just paying him isn't a violation. Its paying him to set up recruiting visits. The second oregon gives lyles money he becomes a booster. Boosters can have nothing to do with the recruiting process. And if kelly didn't think he was in deep trouble why freak out and request any recruiting info from lyles years later? I.e. why the coverup?
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BigPapaVol said:
Likely. Don't care about that. Bent over fanbase is what entertains me.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess that in the end, the money is all that really matters. Auburn will still have a replica trophy in their case and bragging rights, also.

I don't see much of a penalty for cheating in that situation.
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Note to self: never begin a reply to a post about someone being bent over with 'in the end'.
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
It is all going to come down to how the NCAA views it. The way it looks right now is that Kelley tried to cover this up. Why else would you ask a guy to send you outdated recruiting material? Why when asked if you knew the guy did you say no? Then a few months later say that you knew him as Will not Willie. What cracks me up is that if they had just paid the man his money he wouldn't have come forward with anymore info. To me they burnt their own bridge. Kelly is an arrogant pr*ck.
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Sorry I said a few months later its actually a few hours later that he got text messages back from Kelly.
 
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droski said:
Of course just paying him isn't a violation. Its paying him to set up recruiting visits. The second oregon gives lyles money he becomes a booster. Boosters can have nothing to do with the recruiting process. And if kelly didn't think he was in deep trouble why freak out and request any recruiting info from lyles years later? I.e. why the coverup?
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Exactly as soon as money had exchanged hands then Lyle could no longer be the kids handler. Anything he did to help the kid from that point on was illegal in the eyes of the ncaa. Bad part is the same with Pearl. This probably gets Kelly and OR a minor violation without the cover up.
 
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NCAA bylaw 13.02.14, criteria for a booster or "representative of the institution’s athletics interests"

an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to:

(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
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At the time he had been paid for his services, then Lyles could no longer have contact with any recruit nor suggest visits to Oregon.

Further, NCAA bylaw 13.1.2, which defines a "permissible recruiter"

All in-person correspondence on and off campus recruiting contacts with prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians shall be made only by authorized institutional staff members. Such contact, as well as correspondence and telephone calls, by representatives of an institution’s athletics interests is prohibited.
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The hand written letters from Kelly and Osbourne suggest that Lyles was an important recruiter for Oregon when it came to Seastrunk and others. This has gone on since Kelly was OC.


Duck season has started early this year
 
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lylsmorr said:
He is
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1 personality that is semi-understandable (maehlman) and 1 that is an azzhole (duckntn)? Maybe he should just integrate both personalities under the screen name Sybil. Doubt that name is taken.
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CountVolcula said:
NCAA bylaw 13.02.14, criteria for a booster or "representative of the institution’s athletics interests"



At the time he had been paid for his services, then Lyles could no longer have contact with any recruit nor suggest visits to Oregon.

Further, NCAA bylaw 13.1.2, which defines a "permissible recruiter"



The hand written letters from Kelly and Osbourne suggest that Lyles was an important recruiter for Oregon when it came to Seastrunk and others. This has gone on since Kelly was OC.


Duck season has started early this year
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Ruh-roh.
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