Goodbye Oregon Football

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wheaton4prez said:
Did Cal not pay Lyles as well?

What did Kelly do to cover up the payment?
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Oh, and there's also this:

I spoke with University of Oregon football coach Chip Kelly in early March, amid reports that a Texas man named Willie Lyles was involved in a recruiting scandal that could bring down the Ducks program.

Kelly told me he didn't know who Willie Lyles was.

I believed him.

That same evening, a Yahoo Sports story reported that Lyles was paid $25,000 by Oregon. So I texted Kelly, asking him why he lied to me, and we ended up on the telephone, where Kelly insisted I'd confused him by asking about "Willie Lyles." He said, "around here, we call him 'Will.' We've already distanced ourselves from him, trust me."
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But I'm guessing you believe that the "Willie" threw him off that much.
 
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MaehlMan said:
I like that idea. The services should constantly be monitored and kept clean, and licensing would be a good way to make sure of their authenticity.
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I can see the NCAA allowing Rivals, Scout, 24/7 and a few others getting paid to send reports and then doing away with the other guys.

7 on 7 camps are another thing that will eventually get hammered.
 
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Let's just clarify this-the guy who asked Chip Kelly if he knew "Willie Lyles" (John Canzano) is a Portland sportswriter that is the epitome of a writer that publishes ridiculous claims and speculation in order to get page views.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
What you're saying isn't very clear. It's a violation to pay too much for something?

He said that he didn't know "Willie Lyles" because he knows him as "Will". I agree that is a questionable statement. But, it was in response to an anti-Oregon shock-jock. Not some official that he has an obligation to.
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It's a violation to pay to get a kid on campus and then later on receive outdated recruiting information.

He has an obligation to represent Oregon.
 
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MaehlMan said:
Let's just clarify this-the guy who asked Chip Kelly if he knew "Willie Lyles" (John Canzano) is a Portland sportswriter that is the epitome of a writer that publishes ridiculous claims and speculation in order to get page views.
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That really doesn't give Kelly a reason to flat-out lie about knowing someone or to say you've "distanced yourself from him" when you're sending handwritten thank-you notes (or when you're claiming there was nothing bad going on anyway).
 
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MaehlMan said:
Let's just clarify this-the guy who asked Chip Kelly if he knew "Willie Lyles" (John Canzano) is a Portland sportswriter that is the epitome of a writer that publishes ridiculous claims and speculation in order to get page views.
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This claim doesnt seem to be that unrealistic. It could be they dont like him because hes trying to dig up dirt on Oregon
 
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wheaton4prez said:
As far as we know, the athletes didn't receive any money and wanted to go on the visit on their own. Lyles just helped coordinate it. Who does that benefit? The athlete or Oregon?
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It helps out Oregon and Willie's bank account. There's a thing called an "official visit" where the school picks up the tab.
 
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justingroves said:
It's a violation to pay to get a kid on campus and then later on receive outdated recruiting information.

He has an obligation to represent Oregon.
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IMO, the recruiting info is just a smokescreen to cover up for the payments to get the kids to visit

I hate to bring up Means again, but Kentucky got probation for paying Means coach $5000 to visit Kentucky.

Kentucky is baby crap compared to what Oregon did

ims specific to the recruitment of Means included Kirk's assertion that Lang demanded and received $6,000 in cash from a University of Kentucky booster in the presence of Kentucky assistant coach Claude Bassett for arranging Means' visit to that school
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Kentucky was given 3 years probation, 1 year bowl ban, and lost 19 scholarships
 
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justingroves said:
I have no personal vendetta against the Ducks. It is what it is.
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You may not. However, the their-fans-deserve-it group have shown their cards.

VKAman said:
1. "In a wide-ranging, multi-day interview, Lyles said Kelly “scrambled” in late February and asked Lyles to submit retroactive player profiles to justify the $25,000 payment to his company." It seems like he basically sent Kelly what Cal bought a year before (for 20K less), which is why almost all of the players were from Texas.

2. Then, hours before the Yahoo! story broke on March 3 (and long after the payment), Kelly had Lyles send him a spreadsheet of random 2012 and 2013 recruits (with basically nothing more than name, height, and weight) so that the school would have some kind of response to the story. $25,000 for a list of names with zero scouting info isn't all that strong a response, but hey, it's Chip Kelly.
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1. I was pointing out that simply paying Lyles isn't a violation in itself.

2. Trying to have the required written information in place for compliance doesn't mean that they didn't receive other legitimate services, information, video, etc.

milohimself said:
Wheaton, what do you presume Chip Kelly paid Will Lyles $25k for?
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Information about and video of Texas athletes.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
You may not. However, the their-fans-deserve-it group have shown their cards.



1. I was pointing out that simply paying Lyles isn't a violation in itself.

2. Trying to have the required written information in place for compliance doesn't mean that they didn't receive other legitimate services, information, video, etc.



Information about and video of Texas athletes.
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No offense, wheaton, but really? It's pretty evident that we paid for access.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
1. I was pointing out that simply paying Lyles isn't a violation in itself.

2. Trying to have the required written information in place for compliance doesn't mean that they didn't receive other legitimate services, information, video, etc.

Information about and video of Texas athletes.
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Okay, think about this for 5 seconds. They claimed to have paid for a 2011 National recruiting service. What they got was info on 2009 Texas recruits and then later some 2012 and 2013 names. None of this constitutes a "national service," and in fact, they managed to throw together some names from pretty much every recruiting year BUT 2011. What does that say to you?
 
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justingroves said:
It's a violation to pay to get a kid on campus and then later on receive outdated recruiting information.
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How has it been established that they paid to get a kid on campus?

justingroves said:
He has an obligation to represent Oregon.
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Press conferences, yes. Interviews with shock-jocks, no.

I think you have to know the context here to understand. Canzano is one of these guys that makes outlandish statements based on "inside sources" that he can't reveal. No other journalist, players or coaches can confirm a lot of it. He's had heated, personal arguments on air with Kelly, etc.

In hindsight, maybe he did know who Canzano was referring to and should have just admitted it. However, I can understand him not wanting to get into a touchy subject with Canzano. I don't think that the NCAA will give much weight to those comments. But, maybe they will.

CountVolcula said:
This claim doesnt seem to be that unrealistic. It could be they dont like him because hes trying to dig up dirt on Oregon
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Or, he makes up details to suit his arguments and cites un-named sources that nobody else can find and everyone else interviewed disagrees with.

CountVolcula said:
IMO, the recruiting info is just a smokescreen to cover up for the payments to get the kids to visit

I hate to bring up Means again, but Kentucky got probation for paying Means coach $5000 to visit Kentucky.

Kentucky is baby crap compared to what Oregon did



Kentucky was given 3 years probation, 1 year bowl ban, and lost 19 scholarships
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Means received money to play football. No Oregon player (to our knowledge) has been paid to play football. Lyles and Oregon deny that he was paid to steer recruits to a program. No Oregon player agrees that they were steered to Oregon.

Unless there is some new information we don't know about, this isn't similar to the Means case at all.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
How has it been established that they paid to get a kid on campus?


Press conferences, yes. Interviews with shock-jocks, no.


In hindsight, maybe he did know who Canzano was referring to and should have just admitted it. However, I can understand him not wanting to get into a touchy subject with Canzano. I don't think that the NCAA will give much weight to those comments. But, maybe they will.
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Did you read the note?

If Kelly is publicly speaking, he's representing the University. Maybe you're okay with your coach lying, but the NCAA isn't.
 
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...all is well.
 
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MaehlMan said:
Let's just clarify this-the guy who asked Chip Kelly if he knew "Willie Lyles" (John Canzano) is a Portland sportswriter that is the epitome of a writer that publishes ridiculous claims and speculation in order to get page views.
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For the record since you guys are bashing Canzano, he has won multiple sportswriter of the year awards and investigative sports writer of the year from the AP.

I have listened to him daily for years, Duck fans hate him because he calls it like he sees it, and his opinion isn't always favorable to Chip Kelly or UofO, while the rest of his homestation slurps all things Ducks. Watching the army of Duck homers try and discredit him is pure comedy. Dog chasing its own tail good.
 
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Crew said:
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...all is well.
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This is basically the reaction I'm getting from 95% of Duck fans. The other 5% are only going as far as MaehlMan.

And all this time the rest of you folks in SEC territory thought this level of mass delusion among fan bases was only a southern thing...
 
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milohimself said:
For the record since you guys are bashing Canzano, he has won multiple sportswriter of the year awards and investigative sports writer of the year from the AP.

I have listened to him daily for years, Duck fans hate him because he calls it like he sees it, and his opinion isn't always favorable to Chip Kelly or UofO, while the rest of his homestation slurps all things Ducks. Watching the army of Duck homers try and discredit him is pure comedy. Dog chasing its own tail good.
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He's right, occasionally, but he's generally a crock.
 
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