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The point is the very same party that fought Social Security and Medi-Care at their inceptions are up to the same old tricks. Washington could use a good old fashioned enema.

I would argue that those 2 programs have been massive failures and are helping to bankrupt our nation. The seniors definitely like having them but they are not cost effective solutions. Obamacare may prove to be in the same class as those. Citizens will become dependent on it but we as a nation will not be able to afford it. It's really hard to determine when the bubble will burst but it will at some point. This is something Repubs and Dems both agree on but refuse to make the hard decisions on to resolve.
 
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I live in Chattanooga and EPB Fiber Optic is superior to Comcast in every way! MUCH faster internet, a larger channel package for the same price, better customer service, plus it's nice having my internet, channels, and electric bill all consolidated into one payment.

I envy your service options. Wish we had that here. But I will just enjoy the fact I live in a quiet place where very little happens except shooing deer, skunks, possums, and wandering dogs off my lawn. I still envy your service options, though.
 
Just a few words on Obamacare.

The problem was it did not go far enough. He should have pushed for a true single-payer system. That would have been real leadership, real politics, and a real solution.

By every conceivable metric, every single-payer health care system beats a private system, often by huge margins, and ALWAYS does so at lower costs. Even Kenneth Arrow, the father of general equilibrium theory, admits health care can never be governed efficiently in a market based system.
 
When I had dish it was suppose to be $69 the first year but after 3 months I was paying $129 and really did not have nothing worth $129. I won't do satellite again. By the time you pay that and find a Internet provider then you will be paying more than you would if you just went to a cable provider. Jmo

I always use separate services for my Internet and TV. Same thing with paying my insurance premiums, only the house and auto are bundled, all else is separate companies. learned the hard way that once you let these companies crawl into your pocket, they grow roots for permanent residence. Getting them out is a chore and sometimes your own credit card vendor and bank don't back you when you want to sever the relationship. Never let them live in your pocket.
 
Just a few words on Obamacare.

The problem was it did not go far enough. He should have pushed for a true single-payer system. That would have been real leadership, real politics, and a real solution.

By every conceivable metric, every single-payer health care system beats a private system, often by huge margins, and ALWAYS does so at lower costs. Even Kenneth Arrow, the father of general equilibrium theory, admits health care can never be governed efficiently in a market based system.

The problem with the Single Payer is one has to trust our Government to manage it just like we have to trust the insurance companies. The past few administrations have more than adequately displayed that they cannot be trusted and Medicare is a prime example of how that could turn out. Lots of fraud and kickbacks and special interest deals on the side. The tax payer still gets hosed bad.
 
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I always use separate services for my Internet and TV. Same thing with paying my insurance premiums, only the house and auto are bundled, all else is separate companies. learned the hard way that once you let these companies crawl into your pocket, they grow roots for permanent residence. Getting them out is a chore and sometimes your own credit card vendor and bank don't back you when you want to sever the relationship. Never let them live in your pocket.

That's a good strategy. I do the same myself. I believe Clark Howard also agrees.
 
I had Direct TV in Detroit and was pretty happy with it. Now I live in FL and dish cable providers are not the way to go unless you want your cable to go out every time it storms. PLUS, the neighborhood I live in signed a deal where Verizon Fios and Bright House are the only two providers you can get. Really rustles my jimmies. Would love to get Uverse, but I can't.

I have the same problem here. We moved here 4 years ago I was going to get direct when a neighbor warned me not to because it goes out during every storm.
 
I have the same problem here. We moved here 4 years ago I was going to get direct when a neighbor warned me not to because it goes out during every storm.

The new dishes are better in the rain storms now. It takes one heck of a storm to knock it out but it does happen on occasion. I also remember my Comcast going down during storms as well due to the outside cable boxes would flood.
 
Just a few words on Obamacare.

The problem was it did not go far enough. He should have pushed for a true single-payer system. That would have been real leadership, real politics, and a real solution.

By every conceivable metric, every single-payer health care system beats a private system, often by huge margins, and ALWAYS does so at lower costs. Even Kenneth Arrow, the father of general equilibrium theory, admits health care can never be governed efficiently in a market based system.



Why would the father of general equilibrium be an expert on healthcare?
There are so many arguments against single payer that I'm not sure I have the energy for it.
 
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Just a few words on Obamacare.

The problem was it did not go far enough. He should have pushed for a true single-payer system. That would have been real leadership, real politics, and a real solution.

By every conceivable metric, every single-payer health care system beats a private system, often by huge margins, and ALWAYS does so at lower costs. Even Kenneth Arrow, the father of general equilibrium theory, admits health care can never be governed efficiently in a market based system.


Actually, give me your three best arguments for single payer, and I will give you my response to each. Deal?
 

In a nut shell (very abbreviated explanation):

Personally, I like Dr Ben Carson's idea. Give everyone a Tax Free Medical Savings account from birth. Let it accumulate over time. Most will not need the money until their later years when the accumulation will be more than enough to cover expenses. For those that need it earlier, the Government could provide a role.

This will allow patients to shop for health services like they do for everything else causing more free market competition with lower prices for the consumer and more pay for the physicians and keeping the insurance companies and the Government from setting prices and determining what is covered and what is not.

Great idea, but how are you going to eliminate the monster that is the insurance industry from the equation. As a matter of fact, look who benefits most from ObamaCare. The insurance industry, of course. They have been handed a customer base guaranteed and funded by federal law.

By the way, I have a physician buddy who recently left the Great White North and their single payer system due to seeing patients waiting an extended period for needed services. I don't have the answer, but single payer is not the end all be all either.
 
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Actually, give me your three best arguments for single payer, and I will give you my response to each. Deal?

The best argument is bush appointee john roberts cast the deciding vote to make the Affordable Health Care Act the law of the land. :yes: :question:
 
The new dishes are better in the rain storms now. It takes one heck of a storm to knock it out but it does happen on occasion.

During the rainy season here, I would be without service quite often we live 4.1 miles from Gulf of Mexico. Thought I had seen thunder storms until we moved here four years ago. Good to know for the future though.
 
The new dishes are better in the rain storms now. It takes one heck of a storm to knock it out but it does happen on occasion. I also remember my Comcast going down during storms as well due to the outside cable boxes would flood.

A mere rainstorm doesn't do anything to most people's service. A heavy thunderstorm and any storm with heavy cloud cover is the culprits. Satellite signals get blocked by clouds and electro-magnetic interference by frequent lightning also blocks signals. No matter how good your satellite or cable service is, such storms will likely warp and stop signals. Mama nature doesn't care who you are or how good you think your equipment is. She will kick your rear just to remind you who's the real boss whenever she feels like it.
 
I did see online where they have something called the X1 but it does not appear to be in my area. This was supposedly launched a year or more ago in some markets. I believe it has at least 4 tuners. It may prove to be a viable choice for me sometime down the road.

im not for sure what I have. I have the new one , its a year old but it is better than my last one.But after Charter I really like Comcast lol
 
Actually, give me your three best arguments for single payer, and I will give you my response to each. Deal?

Only need two:

Better care
Lower cost

but I'll add a third:

Happier doctors

There is no metric in the real world outside the backdoor where a single payer system doesn't outperform private insurance. Not one.

Kenneth Arrow is an expert on markets. And he says health care can't be run by one.
 
Tea baggers say: Guvament bad. Deregulate everything and transform the U. S. into an oligarchy. Prime examples: Savings & Loan scandal under bush 1 sub prime loans under bush 2. The middle class picked up the tab for these fiascos. Yep ,it's always the repubs. :yes: :crazy:

You are high. The 99%ers are big on barbs but short on facts. Off topic, I know but some need to get out of the picket lines and their childhood bedrooms and experience the real world.

Savings and Loan Scandal
Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act signed by President Carter deregulated the S&L's. The Federal Reserve killed them with high interest rates and many of the S&L's failed because people couldn't afford the interest on real estate. Democrats. The "scandal" began in the late 80's and not Bush 1.

Sub Prime Mortgage Crisis

Bill Clinton signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

Barney Frank (Democrat) defends Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and says there is nothing to worry about.
"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Bush warned of the crisis coming repeatedly.

2001

•April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity." (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)
2002

•May: The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in the President's 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)
2003

•February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market.



•September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.



•September: Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration's assessment, saying "these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." (Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," The New York Times, 9/11/03)



•October: Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)



•November: Then-Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)
2004

•February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)



•February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)



•April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an "artificial issue." At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said "people tend to pay their mortgages. I don't think we are in any remote danger here. This focus on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren't there." ("Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue," American Banker, 4/21/04)



•June: Then-Treasury Deputy Secretary Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and calls for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)
2005

•April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)



•July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, "while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the process." ("Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure," United Press International, 7/28/05)
2007

•August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)



•August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)



•December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)
2008

•February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)



•March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)



•April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)



•May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.


◦"Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)



◦"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)



◦"Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)


•June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)



•July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.



•September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)
 
The best argument is bush appointee john roberts cast the deciding vote to make the Affordable Health Care Act the law of the land. :yes: :question:

Not single payer. Roberts was wrong on that vote. I'll roll with Scalia all day long.
 
I have the same problem here. We moved here 4 years ago I was going to get direct when a neighbor warned me not to because it goes out during every storm.

I have direct. Apply some Rain-X to the dish, none of the sensors only the dish itself. Mine has not gone out since I did this several months ago. Good cheap fix.
 
Many things need to be set straight in this thread.

1. S&L scandal was all Reagan and Thatcher. Regulation has a lot of merits.

2. Clinton, as almost his last act, and on the advice of Robert Rubin, did enable the fiasco of the Bush the Lesser years. Chaney and company though picked up that fumble and ran with it as far as they could. They are culpable for not nipping it in the bud early when they had every chance.

3. I actually think sports fans are the most heavily subsidised cable demographic. ESPN is the most costly package for any cable network. If millions of households who don't want ESPN dropped it, no telling what we would have to pay.

Wrong on count one and correct about Clinton.
 
You won't see companies like Comcast and Dish sign on until late in the process, July at the earliest, right before launch.

With ATT UVerse and DirectTV on board, they'll have no choice but to add it. But it'll be last minute.

Is it nationwide on Direct TV ? I live in Illinois (damn Big 10 area) and DP one other thing thats confusing -- Comcast internet gets the PAC 12 network (free) but its not on the Comcast channel lineup for TV ? Any idea why that would be ?
 
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