Grading the new CFB hires....

[peaygolf]

Interesting. I'm surprised jimbo is number one honestly. It's really going to be interesting seeing how this list looks in a couple of years.

He will do great for a while and then peter out....just like in Tallahassee. Plus, with THAT much money, how motivated is he really.

He whined like a baby about the facilities and support at FSU. Now he has everything he wanted. My bet is he gets complacent in a hurry.

 

[jasonvol18]

Patterson
Petersen
Kelly

Any of the three were possible with our money and would easily put us at #1. Chip Kelly in the SEC would constantly be in the news cycle and have been huge for our recruiting momentum.

The problem is our fans don’t believe it’s possible. They’ll make any excuse to give the UTAD a pass. “Ain’t no way Coach X would come here because ______.” Money makes it possible and we have plenty of it. Somehow the school has made us collectively set low expectations for the program.

Chip took the UCLA job over the Florida job. I don't see Chip recruiting well enough here to have won. Also wasn't going to risk it with Kelly getting that 18 month show cause after what he did at Oregon. JP would recruit circles around Chip Kelly. He is a better fit out west with his personality and schemes he runs. Hamilton burned the Patterson bridge during the search after firing Fulmer. Chris Peterson isn't leaving the left coast. He's had numerous chances to leave that area and Washington was the one school he would have left Boise for. None of those 3 were gonna happen.

Did Georgia firing Richt to hire a 1st time HC in Smart make them have low expectations?? They fired a 10 win a yr coach to hire one who had never been a HC. Fla St didn't have low expectations hiring 1st time HC Fisher nor did Fla when they hired 1st time HC Muschamp then McElwain. As they proved it doesn't always work but definitely does a lot of the time. Hiring 1st time HC's doesn't mean you have low expectations. Our last NC was from a 1st time HC that we hired. Don't think Oklahoma had low expectations by hiring 1st HC Lincoln Riley or Clemson with 1st time HC Dabo.

 

[jasonvol18]

And some people don't understand this or refuse to. Yes,a lot of first time head coaches fail but a lot of experienced one do also. It's all about timing and the right situation.

Absolutely right! Pete Carrol is another example. He was 33-31 in the NFL and had never been a college HC. We know how well he did there outside of the sanctions stuff. The ones wanting Chip Kelly, He was an unknown till Oregon hired him. Georgia's last 2 hires have been 1st HC's and it's worked out well. Same ones wanting Patterson. He was a 1st HC at TCU. You just need the right guy making the hire who knows what to look for. I much prefer trying a 1st HC, who has coached in the SEC, where he has and with who he has over another average Mid Major HC. Our HC absolutely has to be an elite recruiter and able to hire a great staff to win here.

 

[jasonvol18]

He will do great for a while and then peter out....just like in Tallahassee. Plus, with THAT much money, how motivated is he really.

He whined like a baby about the facilities and support at FSU. Now he has everything he wanted. My bet is he gets complacent in a hurry.

Yea he consistently out recruited Clemson but Dabo still owned them and the ACC. If he couldn't consistently win ACC conference Championships at FSU , I definitely don't see him doing it in a much tougher division and conference. He may get rejuvenated at A'M, he will have all the resources he will ever need to win.

 

[butchna]

Chip took the UCLA job over the Florida job. I don't see Chip recruiting well enough here to have won. Also wasn't going to risk it with Kelly getting that 18 month show cause after what he did at Oregon. JP would recruit circles around Chip Kelly. He is a better fit out west with his personality and schemes he runs. Hamilton burned the Patterson bridge during the search after firing Fulmer. Chris Peterson isn't leaving the left coast. He's had numerous chances to leave that area and Washington was the one school he would have left Boise for. None of those 3 were gonna happen.

Did Georgia firing Richt to hire a 1st time HC in Smart make them have low expectations?? They fired a 10 win a yr coach to hire one who had never been a HC. Fla St didn't have low expectations hiring 1st time HC Fisher nor did Fla when they hired 1st time HC Muschamp then McElwain. As they proved it doesn't always work but definitely does a lot of the time. Hiring 1st time HC's doesn't mean you have low expectations. Our last NC was from a 1st time HC that we hired. Don't think Oklahoma had low expectations by hiring 1st HC Lincoln Riley or Clemson with 1st time HC Dabo.

And remember Oklahoma doubled up on that first time formula. Bob Stoops worked out ok.

 

[jasonvol18]

And remember Oklahoma doubled up on that first time formula. Bob Stoops worked out ok.

You'reu're absolutely right. Both definitely worked out well. The whole hiring a big name proven HC to be successful is so overblown. Every one of those guys were 1st time HC's at some point. Hell Saban wasn't an elite big name HC when LSU hired him. He was good at Mich St but not elite by any means. Spurrier was like 20-13 at Duke and in the USFL before Fla hired him, we know how well that worked out for them. Same for ones clamoring for Mike Gundy. Another 1st HC with success at his first job.

Butch had red flags all over him that Hart failed to see. He was never anywhere long enough to show he could build a program, he benefited by following what Brian Kelly built 2 different times. Atleast the Dooley hire brought name recognition, coaching under Saban and SEC experience. It failed, but atleast I could somewhat see the hire. But Butch had nothing in his background or Resume that warranted hiring him. His promise of the best staff in football was proven false day 1 and till he got fired.

 

[NYCVolunteer]

Herbie is a OSU Alum. So of course he is going to push a guy he has strong ties with. Honestly Schiano without the Penn State ties is not a bad hire. Not sure how he would have fit in the SEC though.

Disagree. Forget about Penn State. He went 1 game over .500 at Rutgers and sucked ass in the NFL. Not to mention his little antics against his own players and opponents.

 

[volfanhill]

I like Herm Edwards as a person but I hope that hire fails miserably after their AD mocked our coaching search after being called out on hiring Edwards.

Our coaching search deserved to be mocked

 

[butchna]

Our coaching search deserved to be mocked

Not by that douchebag! He had his own portfolio of comedic AD moves.

 

[jasonvol18]

Our coaching search deserved to be mocked

Definitely did under Curry..With Doern and Schiano leading that trainwreck. Going after Gundy was just as bad because everyone knows he's used us before to get a raise. He wasn't leaving his Alma Mater, especially to have Curry as his boss. I did like pursuing Brohm but he couldn't have put a staff together like JP has. Also was an unknown if he could recruit well enough to win here or hire a good enough staff to do it. But atleast I wasn't opposed to Brohm. I wanted no part of Leach either. There's a reason he's never gotten a chance at a big name school. His personality wouldn't have meshed here and would bet anything he couldn't have recruited well enough to win. Then it coming out he would hire Hal Mumme as his OC pushed me from hell no to F-no. Fulmer knew day 1 who he was going after and didn't waste time doing it. I trusted him to hire the right guy. He wants us back to winning more than anyone and would love to say he made the hire that did it. I was worried at first he may try to orange clad it with either Cut, Steele or Tee Martin but he proved me wrong. Steele would have been a disaster and Tee isn't ready. He's not even a great OC yet. Cut wouldn't have had an elite staff and who knows how much longer he coach's.

 

[Jack Burton]

Chip took the UCLA job over the Florida job. I don't see Chip recruiting well enough here to have won. Also wasn't going to risk it with Kelly getting that 18 month show cause after what he did at Oregon. JP would recruit circles around Chip Kelly. He is a better fit out west with his personality and schemes he runs. Hamilton burned the Patterson bridge during the search after firing Fulmer. Chris Peterson isn't leaving the left coast. He's had numerous chances to leave that area and Washington was the one school he would have left Boise for. None of those 3 were gonna happen.

Did Georgia firing Richt to hire a 1st time HC in Smart make them have low expectations?? They fired a 10 win a yr coach to hire one who had never been a HC. Fla St didn't have low expectations hiring 1st time HC Fisher nor did Fla when they hired 1st time HC Muschamp then McElwain. As they proved it doesn't always work but definitely does a lot of the time. Hiring 1st time HC's doesn't mean you have low expectations. Our last NC was from a 1st time HC that we hired. Don't think Oklahoma had low expectations by hiring 1st HC Lincoln Riley or Clemson with 1st time HC Dabo.

Were those schools #1 in league revenue when they hired assistants to be HC? You’re making plenty of excuses for the university to aim low. The fact remains, we’re #1 in SEC revenue and we made arguably the 3rd or 4th best SEC hire this off season. This probably puts Pruitt about 10th in the league currently. Why do we do this?

 

[volintheham]

Scott Frost should be number one on this list.

 

[butchna]

Were those schools #1 in league revenue when they hired assistants to be HC? You’re making plenty of excuses for the university to aim low. The fact remains, we’re #1 in SEC revenue and we made arguably the 3rd or 4th best SEC hire this off season. This probably puts Pruitt about 10th in the league currently. Why do we do this?

Florida forked out over $6 million for Mullen. Think they skimped in their offer to Kelly? He didn’t want to be in the SEC...accept the real reality not your conjured version. Think they or LSU never kicked the tires on Peterson or Patterson? FACTS are that free will exists and just because Tennessee ranks higher on profit lists doesn’t mean OTHER teams are offering less money. THEY get turned down but it’s OUR failure? Mullen and Orgeron dude!

 

[jasonvol18]

Were those schools #1 in league revenue when they hired assistants to be HC? You’re making plenty of excuses for the university to aim low. The fact remains, we’re #1 in SEC revenue and we made arguably the 3rd or 4th best SEC hire this off season. This probably puts Pruitt about 10th in the league currently. Why do we do this?

What does revenue have to do with it? Every elite SEC football school has plenty of money to pay tons of money. It's hard to say who made the best hire until we see what happens on the field. Very few if any of the elite Coach's would have left their job to come follow the trainwreck Butch left and that Curry was running. You see the money Michigan is paying Harbough and he's not earned that huge salary nor has Ferenz at Iowa.Peterson isn't leaving Washington, Patterson isn't leaving TCU, Gundy not Ok St, Franklin not Penn St, Richt not Miami, Meyer not Ohio St, Saban not Ala, Smart not Georgia, Dabo not Clemson. Only A'M was insane enough to give Fisher that guaranteed contract, Kelly wanted back in the Pac 12. Who would you have thrown the bank at that would have left their current job or was worth paying a top 5 salary??

You have to put Pruitt behind every HC who has coached a game but ahead of the others who haven't simply off of each HC's resume. You would have to say that about Smart when he was first hired also..JP and Smart had very similar resumes...So he would have been behind Stoops, Muschamp, Mason, McElwain, Butch Jones, Malzahn,Mullen, Saban,Bielema, Freeze, Miles...Where would you rank him in the SEC now? 5 of those guys have been fired, then the remaining I'd put Kirby ahead of Mason,Stoops,Mullen and Muschamp. Based off coaching carrer's I'd go Saban,Fisher,Malzahn then Smart. Only because of Championships won and only Kirby's soon to be 3rd year. A case could be made for Smart to be #2 or #3 in the conference. There's no way to know if Peterson, Patterson,Kelly or Gundy could even win in the SEC. None have won a NC, none coach at an elite high profile school except maybe Peterson but none are high stress jobs like TN is, none know the pressure or have any SEC experience at all. It's much different winning and playing in a weak Pac 12 vs the SEC. But my question is who would you have paid 6-8+ million to that would have left where they were and been successful enough to justify that salary? I've racked my brain and no name comes up.

 

[jasonvol18]

Scott Frost should be number one on this list.

A guy who has 1 winning season in just 2 yrs of headcoaching? And not one single win at a power 5 school? I think he could be a really good coach, but 1 good season at a mid major isn't enough yet. Just way too small of a body of work with zero Power Conference HC experience. That's not a knock on Frost. I think Pruitt,Frost,Brohm,Herman,Fuente,Smartand Brohm could be the next crop of great HC's. Would love them to revisit and rerank that list again in 3-5 yrs and see how much changes.

 

[stevenrich2003]

I know mullen is a good coach, but in this league good will you get you fired in about 4 years. You must be great or its not going to work out for you. Did Mullen ever beat BAMA?

 

[jasonvol18]

I know mullen is a good coach, but in this league good will you get you fired in about 4 years. You must be great or its not going to work out for you. Did Mullen ever beat BAMA?

Nope, not even with Prescott. Unknown's on Mullen is can he recruit and get the big time recruits and how does he handle a whole different set of expectations and a different type level of pressure.

 

[Jack Burton]

What does revenue have to do with it? Every elite SEC football school has plenty of money to pay tons of money. It's hard to say who made the best hire until we see what happens on the field. Very few if any of the elite Coach's would have left their job to come follow the trainwreck Butch left and that Curry was running. You see the money Michigan is paying Harbough and he's not earned that huge salary nor has Ferenz at Iowa.Peterson isn't leaving Washington, Patterson isn't leaving TCU, Gundy not Ok St, Franklin not Penn St, Richt not Miami, Meyer not Ohio St, Saban not Ala, Smart not Georgia, Dabo not Clemson. Only A'M was insane enough to give Fisher that guaranteed contract, Kelly wanted back in the Pac 12. Who would you have thrown the bank at that would have left their current job or was worth paying a top 5 salary??

You have to put Pruitt behind every HC who has coached a game but ahead of the others who haven't simply off of each HC's resume. You would have to say that about Smart when he was first hired also..JP and Smart had very similar resumes...So he would have been behind Stoops, Muschamp, Mason, McElwain, Butch Jones, Malzahn,Mullen, Saban,Bielema, Freeze, Miles...Where would you rank him in the SEC now? 5 of those guys have been fired, then the remaining I'd put Kirby ahead of Mason,Stoops,Mullen and Muschamp. Based off coaching carrer's I'd go Saban,Fisher,Malzahn then Smart. Only because of Championships won and only Kirby's soon to be 3rd year. A case could be made for Smart to be #2 or #3 in the conference. There's no way to know if Peterson, Patterson,Kelly or Gundy could even win in the SEC. None have won a NC, none coach at an elite high profile school except maybe Peterson but none are high stress jobs like TN is, none know the pressure or have any SEC experience at all. It's much different winning and playing in a weak Pac 12 vs the SEC. But my question is who would you have paid 6-8+ million to that would have left where they were and been successful enough to justify that salary? I've racked my brain and no name comes up.

Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ve given names I think could have happened with the right offer. I respect your point of view though. I’m just afraid we’re going to continue to be outclassed in this new SEC landscape. I guess we’ll know for sure in about 2 to 3 years.

If you’re a season ticket holder I’m sure you’ve seen your donor rank jump quite a bit recently with the glut of nonrenewals. I don’t know if the fan base is willing to suffer another period of mediocrity. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen.

 

[butchna]

Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ve given names I think could have happened with the right offer. I respect your point of view though. I’m just afraid we’re going to continue to be outclassed in this new SEC landscape. I guess we’ll know for sure in about 2 to 3 years.

If you’re a season ticket holder I’m sure you’ve seen your donor rank jump quite a bit recently with the glut of nonrenewals. I don’t know if the fan base is willing to suffer another period of mediocrity. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen.

You “think”? Different confidence level than your original post. Maybe you have cognitive ability in that noggin after all.

 

[Behr]

You “think”? Different confidence level than your original post. Maybe you have cognitive ability in that noggin after all.

Jack reminds me of 1Knox/IChatt or whatever his names were. Same type dance, just a different song.

 

[jasonvol18]

Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ve given names I think could have happened with the right offer. I respect your point of view though. I’m just afraid we’re going to continue to be outclassed in this new SEC landscape. I guess we’ll know for sure in about 2 to 3 years.

If you’re a season ticket holder I’m sure you’ve seen your donor rank jump quite a bit recently with the glut of nonrenewals. I don’t know if the fan base is willing to suffer another period of mediocrity. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen.

I'm the same way. I fully respect a different opinion than mine and can see your side of it. I know there's some fans who won't supp Pruitt because of him being a Bammer. But long as he wins then I don't care about that. If he fails, then Fulmer will get backlash for hiring a Bam.

I personally think it's a great hire because of his reputation as a recruiter, developer and the discipline he brings. He had the ability and ties to hire an elite staff and what it takes to win in our conference. Just a matter of can he get it done on Saturday's. I think he was a better hire than Kirby was for Ga. Just my opinion though and won't know either way for a couple yrs. I will be shocked if he doesn't succeed here. He badly needs to, we don't need anymore revolving coach's anytime soon.

 

[butchna]

Jack reminds me of 1Knox/IChatt or whatever his names were. Same type dance, just a different song.

Good thing there’s no such thing as double and triple accounts. :wink2:

 

[Behr]

Good thing there’s no such thing as double and triple accounts. :wink2:

Yea, do you remember that other one that we thought was him too? I was trying to think of the name but just can't. He was a little "slower".

 

[UTwild82]

I think Kelly to UCLA is 2 at a minimum.

Taggart at 6 is a stretch. I would have Moorehead at Mississippi State higher. I also like. Heupel to UCF better than 15th.

Hard to rank Pruitt. Hope he ends up #1.

 

[chargervol]

Yea, do you remember that other one that we thought was him too? I was trying to think of the name but just can't. He was a little "slower".

Sunny?