Gravedigger of American Democracy? - - Mitch McConnell.

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n_huffhines said:
Why do they change anything with regard to why term limits do or do not work, tho?
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I just explained that ...
n_huffhines said:
Why does more $ mean green congressmen are better than experienced?
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Based on the established ineffectiveness of veteran Congressman ... it is fair to conclude that experience is not an advantage for constituents. What you are wanting to do is give some old men credit, for having failed at their jobs for so long.
n_huffhines said:
Endless back and forth? My read was you had your mind made up before you saw any of the evidence, so we can be done.
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You will respond to this ... and it will keep going. That's just how it is. Everyone has to have the last word.
 
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EasternVol said:
1. Eh, no. Career grifters like Biden, Shumer, and McConnell are problems. Replacing one grifter with another doesn't help, there will still be corruption. If they know their terms will be limited they'd be motivated to get as much as possible as soon as possible.
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Term limits would eliminate the incentive for grifters to run. They eliminate career politicians. You are much less likely to have these types running in the first place.
EasternVol said:
2. Term limits we wouldn't get rid of PAC money; it would just redistribute it. If we want to get rid of PAC money, and we should, get rid of campaign donations.
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Term limits wouldn't completely eliminate PAC money but they would reduce it's influence. 97% of it goes to incumbents. That is a fact.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don’t think term limits solve anything
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I think it would prevent individual party members from growing too large a powerbase. Part of the reason Biden is as protected as he is is 50 years in politics. Term limits do nothing to limit the power of the actual parties, which is a shame, but I do think spreading that power out amongst individuals protects from one person becoming too powerful.
 
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Weezer said:
I think it would prevent individual party members from growing too large a powerbase. Part of the reason Biden is as protected as he is is 50 years in politics. Term limits do nothing to limit the power of the actual parties, which is a shame, but I do think spreading that power out amongst individuals protects from one person becoming too powerful.
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I think you just shift that power to within the government agencies (which is already a problem) and to within the parties (such as dnc and gop leadership)
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There are many ways around that.
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But if the objective is to reduce politicians holding seats for 2, 3, 4, or more decades then having laws to limit financial windfalls would be effective. The “ways around it” also include the possibility of taking away their freedom. One party already tries to put their opponents in prison for using words that they don’t like in speeches.
 
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hog88 said:
And this is why y’all can’t be taken seriously.
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Who is the "y'all" in that? Is it McConnell having that power or people who hate him.

McConnell is a throwback. He actually learned the rules and how to use them to advance his positions. Plus he doesn't care what he said two days ago, he will always say what he needs to say to advance his position. Dems need a couple of those types.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Most people are to stupid to vote anyway so at least limits would rotate who is screwing us.
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I'm not in favor of government mandated limits on my choice of representative. I'd rather make the job what it was originally meant to be, a part time position with limited benefits, pay and opportunity for enrichment.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I just explained that ...

Based on the established ineffectiveness of veteran Congressman ... it is fair to conclude that experience is not an advantage for constituents. What you are wanting to do is give some old men credit, for having failed at their jobs for so long.

You will respond to this ... and it will keep going. That's just how it is. Everyone has to have the last word.
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Established ineffectiveness of veteran congressmen? That's not real. Excluding illness of course.
Are AOC, Gaetz, MTG, Jayapal, and Boebert better than their seniors?
Do you know how committee leadership is apportioned?
Experienced Congresspersons, if competent, are much more beneficial for their constituents.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Term limits would eliminate the incentive for grifters to run. They eliminate career politicians. You are much less likely to have these types running in the first place.

Term limits wouldn't completely eliminate PAC money but they would reduce it's influence. 97% of it goes to incumbents. That is a fact.
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There's nothing to indicate term limits would dissuade hacks from running. Voter satisfaction should be a stronger incentive. See Madison Cawthorn as an example. He was young and inexperienced. Was he good?
Term limits wouldn't hinder PAC corruption, they'd just redistribute it. Where do you get that 97% figure? Often PACs will support a challenger if they don't like the incumbent.
 
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Weezer said:
I think it would prevent individual party members from growing too large a powerbase. Part of the reason Biden is as protected as he is is 50 years in politics. Term limits do nothing to limit the power of the actual parties, which is a shame, but I do think spreading that power out amongst individuals protects from one person becoming too powerful.
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I'd say that Biden's power is not his own but derives from being a front man. How many long term Congressmen since Ford have become President?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
But if the objective is to reduce politicians holding seats for 2, 3, 4, or more decades then having laws to limit financial windfalls would be effective. The “ways around it” also include the possibility of taking away their freedom. One party already tries to put their opponents in prison for using words that they don’t like in speeches.
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Pay them very well and not allow them side income or post-term employment by political donors.
 
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EasternVol said:
Pay them very well and not allow them side income or post-term employment by political donors.
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I can't see how that would be legal.

Build dorms and mess halls for them to live in while in DC, limit them to 90 days in session per year (outside of emergency) pay them accordingly for 90 days of work (about $60K) with no pension or health care benefits. Limit campaign donations to in district (for house) and in state for Senate. Actually lets repeal the 17th amendment and go back to state legislatures electing senators.
 
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EasternVol said:
Maybe when she ran last time she thought she was good for 6 more years. A lot of people enjoy what they do and don't want to stop. If they can continue competently, why not? We've had some coherent Methuselahs in Congress. Party leadership needs to step in when a Senator or Representative can no longer function.
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Yeah, case by case.. but some are sheesh in the government right now..I agree that the typical person should try to stay active as much as they can.. but not in such important positions that impact so many people ..when that decline starts it can be gradual or really, really fast.. some people stay really, really sharp but they tend to be more exception than rule, unfortunately (I wish it were different).. as much as people don’t like Trump, he is very sharp and energetic for his age, more of the exception.. and as much as I dislike Pelosi, she is fairly with it for the most part
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted on this board.

There are many benefits that term limits serve. I will focus on the most important 2.

1) Term limits would eliminate the biggest problem which Congress has ... the career politician. Term limits would provide more people with real-world experience from all walks of life an opportunity to serve in elected office. More entrepreneurs, teachers, doctors, small business owners, and business execs would be inclined to run, with realistic opportunities of winning. In other words, more talented people. These more talented people would stand a better chance of winning, when they don't have to oppose incumbents with huge war chests accumulated over time. Fewer people running purely for their own self-interest like Joe Biden and Chuck Grassley would be interested, without having as much time to sell influence.

2) Term limits would get corporate PAC money out of politics. 97% of corporate PAC money goes to the incumbents because the lobbyists and special interest groups have already exerted their influence over them. Term limits stop those ties from becoming unconditional, long-term relationships ... which too many Republicans have with the NRA.
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I’m very Conservative, and I agree with you
 
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