Greatest Athlete to never win highest Championship of their Sport

#251
#251
(Jasongivm6 @ Jul 4 said:
What does TCHFCATUTK mean?
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He's already said once, The Current Head Football Coach At The University Tennessee Knoxville.

Try to keep up. :nener: J/k
 
#252
#252
(OrangeSquare @ Jul 4 said:
I am for extending to nine next season, because I think we should continue to judge these programs since the BCS began, until there is another option. (College Playoff, we can only hope.)

Virginia Tech hasn't won a championship, and they have benifitted from being in a conference that was weaker until more recently, but in 99 they played in the title game and went 22-2 over two seasons. They have 13 straight Bowls. They are as elite as Georgia I would argue.
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Most programs are judged by decade. Who had the highest winning % in the 80's, 90's, 00's etc. Fulmer has 4 years to win an SEC championship this decade, if he can hold on to his job. He won 2 in the 90's. I think UT's winning % is probaby going to get UT ranked around 20th.
 
#253
#253
This is probably more accurate of how schools are viewed right now. 2000-2005

Code: 
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Rank  Team name                Win-Pct   Won   Lost  Tied   Games
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  1   Miami-Florida            0.86486     64    10     0      74
  2   Oklahoma                 0.86076     68    11     0      79
  3   Texas                    0.85526     65    11     0      76
  4   Boise State              0.82895     63    13     0      76
  5   Georgia                  0.77922     60    17     0      77
  6   Southern Cal             0.77632     59    17     0      76
  7   Ohio State               0.77333     58    17     0      75
  8   Louisiana State          0.76623     59    18     0      77
  9   Virginia Tech            0.75325     58    19     0      77
  10  Louisville                0.74667     56    19     0      75
  11  Toledo                    0.74324     55    19     0      74
  12  Texas Christian           0.73611     53    19     0      72
  13  Auburn                    0.72368     55    21     0      76
  14  Michigan                  0.71622     53    21     0      74
  15  Florida State             0.71429     55    22     0      77
  16  Oregon                    0.69863     51    22     0      73
  17t Florida                   0.69333     52    23     0      75
  17t Tennessee                 0.69333     52    23     0      75
  19  Nebraska                  0.68000     51    24     0      75
  20  Boston College            0.67568     50    24     0      74
  21  Fresno State              0.67089     53    26     0      79
  22  Miami-Ohio                0.65753     48    25     0      73
  23t Northern Illinois         0.65714     46    24     0      70
  23t Utah                      0.65714     46    24     0      70
  25t Iowa                      0.64865     48    26     0      74
  25t Marshall                  0.64865     48    26     0      74
  27  Maryland                  0.63889     46    26     0      72
  28  Bowling Green             0.63380     45    26     0      71
  29t Kansas State              0.63158     48    28     0      76
  29t Texas Tech                0.63158     48    28     0      76
 
#254
#254
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
This is probably more accurate of how schools are viewed right now. 2000-2005

Code: 
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Rank  Team name                Win-Pct   Won   Lost  Tied   Games
----  -----------------------  -------   ----  ----  ----   -----
  1   Miami-Florida            0.86486     64    10     0      74
  2   Oklahoma                 0.86076     68    11     0      79
  3   Texas                    0.85526     65    11     0      76
  4   Boise State              0.82895     63    13     0      76
  5   Georgia                  0.77922     60    17     0      77
  6   Southern Cal             0.77632     59    17     0      76
  7   Ohio State               0.77333     58    17     0      75
  8   Louisiana State            0.76623     59    18     0      77
  9   Virginia Tech            0.75325     58    19     0      77
 10   Louisville              0.74667     56    19     0      75
 11   Toledo                  0.74324     55    19     0      74
 12   Texas Christian         0.73611     53    19     0      72
 13   Auburn                  0.72368     55    21     0      76
 14   Michigan                0.71622     53    21     0      74
 15   Florida State        0.71429     55    22     0      77
 16   Oregon                  0.69863     51    22     0      73
 17t  Florida                 0.69333     52    23     0      75
 17t  Tennessee            0.69333     52    23     0      75
 19   Nebraska                0.68000     51    24     0      75
 20   Boston College          0.67568     50    24     0      74
 21   Fresno State            0.67089     53    26     0      79
 22   Miami-Ohio              0.65753     48    25     0      73
 23t  Northern Illinois    0.65714     46    24     0      70
 23t  Utah                    0.65714     46    24     0      70
 25t  Iowa                 0.64865     48    26     0      74
 25t  Marshall                 0.64865     48    26     0      74
 27   Maryland                 0.63889     46    26     0      72
 28   Bowling Green            0.63380     45    26     0      71
 29t  Kansas State             0.63158     48    28     0      76
 29t  Texas Tech               0.63158     48    28     0      76
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What is that? I'm pretty sure that no matter how much you hate Fulmer, Toledo and TCU are not better programs that the University of Tennessee is right now.
 
#255
#255
(OrangeSquare @ Jul 4 said:
What is that? I'm pretty sure that no matter how much you hate Fulmer, Toledo and TCU are not better programs that the University of Tennessee is right now.
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Right. Take the chart and assume exactly what I mean without letting my clarify. I've been editing it for 5 minutes to make it look all straight and pretty.

As I was GOING TO SAY, the 3 mid majors shouldn't be considered above Tennessee, so I consider us around 14th with Florida.

 
#256
#256
And you know what, when have I ever said anything about Fulmer? This crap is starting to piss me off. Make a notebook or something to help you remember who said what. I don't hate Fulmer and I think he's a great coach. Jesus effing Christ.
 
#257
#257
For the record, "you" there, didn't imply you personally. Just a statement that no matter how much you (whomever you are that) hates Fulmer, those programs aren't better than Tennessee.

Hard to convey meaning of every word over a message board.
 
#258
#258
I understand, and I reacted a little harshly. However, I think 100% of the people on here are smart enough to understand W/L % in the WAC, Mtn West, etc doesn't mean a ton. I'd even be willing to take Louisville out of the equation, but they are now players on the recruiting stage.

I'm unnerved that VT, Oregon, Auburn, etc have passed us as well.

2006 will be a good year though.
 
#259
#259
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
I understand, and I reacted a little harshly. However, I think 100% of the people on here are smart enough to understand W/L % in the WAC, Mtn West, etc doesn't mean a ton. I'd even be willing to take Louisville out of the equation, but they are now players on the recruiting stage.

I'm unnerved that VT, Oregon, Auburn, etc have passed us as well.

2006 will be a good year though.
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I still don't think they have "passed us". None of those schools have National Championships except Auburn, and it's been a loooooong time.

I'll stick to my thought that it's most fair to compare these schools in the BCS era until a new era begins.
 
#260
#260
(OrangeSquare @ Jul 4 said:
I still don't think they have "passed us". None of those schools have National Championships except Auburn, and it's been a loooooong time.

I'll stick to my thought that it's most fair to compare these schools in the BCS era until a new era begins.
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You're very much entitled to your opinion, but the media's perception of where programs are, whether right or wrong, do not include 1998. Other programs don't look at 1998 to see where they stand. I almost think 2000 is still too early (which would help UT in these).

It might sound cliche, but when looking at my performance at work, the station isn't going to say "But Doug led created that amazing presentation that helped the buy," and say I'm still on top after inconsistent years of work.

I like Fulmer and I have no problem with him being our coach in 2006. But our program has been the 4th best program in the SEC since the start of 2000 behind Georgia, LSU, and Auburn.
 
#261
#261
(OrangeSquare @ Jul 4 said:
What is that? I'm pretty sure that no matter how much you hate Fulmer, Toledo and TCU are not better programs that the University of Tennessee is right now.
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Apples to aardvarks. Toledo and TCU don't play in major conferences.
 
#262
#262
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
Right. Take the chart and assume exactly what I mean without letting my clarify. I've been editing it for 5 minutes to make it look all straight and pretty.

As I was GOING TO SAY, the 3 mid majors shouldn't be considered above Tennessee, so I consider us around 14th with Florida.
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Louisville shouldn't be considered either. C-USA and the post Miami/Va Tech Big East aren't exactly big time football.
 
#263
#263
(checkerboard_charly @ Jul 2 said:
Barry Bonds

any great cubs player

Hank Aaron
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Barry Bonds doesn't belong in the same sentence as Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio., Mickey Mantle, and Babe Ruth. I hope Barry doesn't make the baseball HOF.
By the way even though Peyton didn't win a National title while at UT, he had his jersey retired and that says a lot. Plus they even named a street on the campus for him-Peyton Manning Pass. So there!
Other than Steve Spurrier, there is only one other QB at Florida that won a National title. UT's titles may be few and far between but aren't those VOLS AWESOME! I'm a BIG ORANGE FAN through and through and will NEVER forsake my VOLS! The only pro or college team that I have changed allegiance from is the Redskins and that was due to Peyton being drafted by the Colts. Of course I've always liked the Colts and even the Dolphins. Always have been a Braves fan since the late 50's and Vols fan since early 60's.

 
#265
#265
(OrangeSquare @ Jul 4 said:
I still don't think they have "passed us". None of those schools have National Championships except Auburn, and it's been a loooooong time.

I'll stick to my thought that it's most fair to compare these schools in the BCS era until a new era begins.
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National championships from 7, 10, or 50 years ago aren't the test of whether or not those teams have "passed us", but whether or not we could line up and play with those teams right now. I'm not comfortable that we could play with any of the three teams you mentioned, so in that aspect they have passed us. I agree that CPFs past record has earned him the right to another chance to turn it around, but he better do it fast. Hat and others are right. It's a struggle now against the likes of Memphis, UAB, Duke, Kentucky, and Vandy. There's no excuse for UT to EVER lose to Vandy. If we went by your logic then Bill Battle should still be the coach. After all, he had three 10 win seasons to start his carrer and finished with a .718 winning percentage.

Look, I personally like CPF, and I hope that he can turn it around and stay for many more years. In the end though the program is what's important, and not one individual.
 
#266
#266
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 4 said:
National championships from 7, 10, or 50 years ago aren't the test of whether or not those teams have "passed us", but whether or not we could line up and play with those teams right now. I'm not comfortable that we could play with any of the three teams you mentioned, so in that aspect they have passed us. I agree that CPFs past record has earned him the right to another chance to turn it around, but he better do it fast. Hat and others are right. It's a struggle now against the likes of Memphis, UAB, Duke, Kentucky, and Vandy. There's no excuse for UT to EVER lose to Vandy. If we went by your logic then Bill Battle should still be the coach. After all, he had three 10 win seasons to start his carrer and finished with a .718 winning percentage.

Look, I personally like CPF, and I hope that he can turn it around and stay for many more years. In the end though the program is what's important, and not one individual.
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You are like my ... other ... brain? or I am your ... opinion doppelganger? I couldn't even put my OWN thoughts into better words. :D
 
#267
#267
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
This is probably more accurate of how schools are viewed right now. 2000-2005

Code: 
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Rank  Team name                Win-Pct   Won   Lost  Tied   Games
----  -----------------------  -------   ----  ----  ----   -----
  1   Miami-Florida            0.86486     64    10     0      74
  2   Oklahoma                 0.86076     68    11     0      79
  3   Texas                    0.85526     65    11     0      76
  4   Boise State              0.82895     63    13     0      76
  5   Georgia                  0.77922     60    17     0      77
  6   Southern Cal             0.77632     59    17     0      76
  7   Ohio State               0.77333     58    17     0      75
  8   Louisiana State          0.76623     59    18     0      77
  9   Virginia Tech            0.75325     58    19     0      77
  10  Louisville                0.74667     56    19     0      75
  11  Toledo                    0.74324     55    19     0      74
  12  Texas Christian           0.73611     53    19     0      72
  13  Auburn                    0.72368     55    21     0      76
  14  Michigan                  0.71622     53    21     0      74
  15  Florida State             0.71429     55    22     0      77
  16  Oregon                    0.69863     51    22     0      73
  17t Florida                   0.69333     52    23     0      75
  17t Tennessee                 0.69333     52    23     0      75
  19  Nebraska                  0.68000     51    24     0      75
  20  Boston College            0.67568     50    24     0      74
  21  Fresno State              0.67089     53    26     0      79
  22  Miami-Ohio                0.65753     48    25     0      73
  23t Northern Illinois         0.65714     46    24     0      70
  23t Utah                      0.65714     46    24     0      70
  25t Iowa                      0.64865     48    26     0      74
  25t Marshall                  0.64865     48    26     0      74
  27  Maryland                  0.63889     46    26     0      72
  28  Bowling Green             0.63380     45    26     0      71
  29t Kansas State              0.63158     48    28     0      76
  29t Texas Tech                0.63158     48    28     0      76
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Thanks for the stats. I was looking for these and couldn't find them.

This is the most common stat I see used to evaluate teams over a decade. UT is about where I thought they would be 17th, tied for 4th in the SEC behind Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and tied with Florida. This is where I expected UT to line up nationally, as well as in the conference.
 
#268
#268
(rockydoc @ Jul 4 said:
OJ Simpson?? :unsure:
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Unfortunately everything he has done on the field had been overshadowed by what he did off the field. He lives in infamy now.
 
#269
#269
(oklavol @ Jul 4 said:
Thanks for the stats. I was looking for these and couldn't find them.

This is the most common stat I see used to evaluate teams over a decade. UT is about where I thought they would be 17th, tied for 4th in the SEC behind Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and tied with Florida. This is where I expected UT to line up nationally, as well as in the conference.
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Yup, I was a little disappointed at the ranking, but take out TCU, Toledo, Louisville, and Boise, and we're 13th-ish.
 
#270
#270
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 4 said:
It's a struggle now against the likes of Memphis, UAB, Duke, Kentucky, and Vandy. There's no excuse for UT to EVER lose to Vandy.
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It was a struggle against them last year. If it continues to be then we have a problem.
 
#271
#271
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
Yup, I was a little disappointed at the ranking, but take out TCU, Toledo, Louisville, and Boise, and we're 13th-ish.
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13th puts us in the top 12%
 
#273
#273
(hatvol96 @ Jul 4 said:
It also puts us tied for fourth in our own league.
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If we include SEC CG's played, we are 4th, UF 5th. But again ... not sure if winning the East crown is all that big.
 
#274
#274
(VolinArizona @ Jul 4 said:
This is probably more accurate of how schools are viewed right now. 2000-2005

Code: 
----  -----------------------  -------   ----  ----  ----   -----
Rank  Team name                Win-Pct   Won   Lost  Tied   Games
----  -----------------------  -------   ----  ----  ----   -----
  1   Miami-Florida            0.86486     64    10     0      74
  2   Oklahoma                 0.86076     68    11     0      79
  3   Texas                    0.85526     65    11     0      76
  4   Boise State              0.82895     63    13     0      76
  5   Georgia                  0.77922     60    17     0      77
  6   Southern Cal             0.77632     59    17     0      76
  7   Ohio State               0.77333     58    17     0      75
  8   Louisiana State          0.76623     59    18     0      77
  9   Virginia Tech            0.75325     58    19     0      77
  10  Louisville                0.74667     56    19     0      75
  11  Toledo                    0.74324     55    19     0      74
  12  Texas Christian           0.73611     53    19     0      72
  13  Auburn                    0.72368     55    21     0      76
  14  Michigan                  0.71622     53    21     0      74
  15  Florida State             0.71429     55    22     0      77
  16  Oregon                    0.69863     51    22     0      73
  17t Florida                   0.69333     52    23     0      75
  17t Tennessee                 0.69333     52    23     0      75
  19  Nebraska                  0.68000     51    24     0      75
  20  Boston College            0.67568     50    24     0      74
  21  Fresno State              0.67089     53    26     0      79
  22  Miami-Ohio                0.65753     48    25     0      73
  23t Northern Illinois         0.65714     46    24     0      70
  23t Utah                      0.65714     46    24     0      70
  25t Iowa                      0.64865     48    26     0      74
  25t Marshall                  0.64865     48    26     0      74
  27  Maryland                  0.63889     46    26     0      72
  28  Bowling Green             0.63380     45    26     0      71
  29t Kansas State              0.63158     48    28     0      76
  29t Texas Tech                0.63158     48    28     0      76
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Just to add to the analysis.

UT under Fulmer would have ranked #4 on this list using the average winning % from 93-99 (of course we don't know the winning % of other teams but it is likely similar - UT's was 83.5% during that time).

In this chart, UT is 17th (but most have said 13th or 14th based on conference).

If these are bad years under Fulmer, he is still in B+ (percentile) range in his worst years and near A+ (percentile) in his best.
 
#275
#275
(volinbham @ Jul 5 said:
Just to add to the analysis.

UT under Fulmer would have ranked #4 on this list using the average winning % from 93-99 (of course we don't know the winning % of other teams but it is likely similar - UT's was 83.5% during that time).

In this chart, UT is 17th (but most have said 13th or 14th based on conference).

If these are bad years under Fulmer, he is still in B+ (percentile) range in his worst years and near A+ (percentile) in his best.
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Will any of the players from the '93-'99 teams be suiting up this year? Will Gerry Di Nardo be the coach at LSU again? Will Buster Bowden be back at Auburn? If you aren't even one of the three best in your own neighborhood, you don't even need to think about where you stand in comparison to anybody else. The '93-'99 statistics are only relevant to those who want to perpetuate the program as it currently stands.
 
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