Greatest Athlete to never win highest Championship of their Sport

[therealUT]

I''m sure there might be a reason a guy who coached 60 years ago is relevant to the state of the program today, but I'm not sure what it would be.

I will provide to you why it is relevant (and I notice you completely omit my reference to JoePa.)

Great coaches have down years! If a coach coaches long enough, that coach will inevitably hit a slump. Whether it comes early or late, it will definitely come at one time or another.

 

[Jasongivm6]

True, however, seven seasons is a rather arbitrary number of seasons. Just choosing that number shows that you are only concerned with putting UT's program down, because if you go 8 seasons, then UT has a NC and SEC Championship, if you go 9 seasons its 2 SEC championships.

Haven't checked to see how that compares to Miami, Ohio State, etc. Probably a step below, however, I would agree with a previous poster that over the past 10 seasons the only excellent program has been USC.

You mean, USC over the past 4 seasons.

 

[hatvol96]

I will provide to you why it is relevant (and I notice you completely omit my reference to JoePa.)

Great coaches have down years! If a coach coaches long enough, that coach will inevitably hit a slump. Whether it comes early or late, it will definitely come at one time or another.

I omitted JoePa for the simple reason that Penn State has chosen to allow sentimentality to override reason. If they want to have four bad seasons for every good one, I say have at it.

 

[hatvol96]

I will provide to you why it is relevant (and I notice you completely omit my reference to JoePa.)

Great coaches have down years! If a coach coaches long enough, that coach will inevitably hit a slump. Whether it comes early or late, it will definitely come at one time or another.

You are among those who worship at the altar of winning % stats. Go look at the top 10 coaches in winning %. See how many of them have seven year conference title droughts as part of their resume.

 

[GVF]

I have certainly derided the concept of division championships. However, I think you would be hard pressed to find evidence that I have ever diminished the importance of a conference championship.

No, I think you did. It was something along the lines of none remembers anything but the NC, so anything less is not even a consolation prize. I do paraphrase the line of thought of course.

 

[therealUT]

How many active coaches have more national championships than Fulmer?

Pete Carroll, Joe Paterno, Steve Spurrier, and Bob Stoops? Is that it?

 

[orangetd88]

I'm so sick of hearing about that winning % stat.

If you are in sales, as I am, no one cares what you did 7 years ago. If you do not make your numbers for this month, quarter, or year, you are in trouble.

Why should I have higher standards in a job that pays $2 million dollars less?

 

[hatvol96]

I'm so sick of hearing about that winning % stat.

If you are in sales, as I am, no one cares what you did 7 years ago. If you do not make your numbers for this month, quarter, or year, you are in trouble.

Why should I have higher standards in a job that pays $2 million dollars less?

Do you want the orange VX t-shirt or would you prefer the black?

 

[hatvol96]

How many active coaches have more national championships than Fulmer?

Pete Carroll, Joe Paterno, Steve Spurrier, and Bob Stoops? Is that it?

So, win a National Title and you have a job for life. That's a brilliant way to run a program.

 

[therealUT]

No less brilliant than firing a coach with the highest winning percentage among active coaches for having one or two bad seasons.

 

[hatvol96]

No, I think you did. It was something along the lines of none remembers anything but the NC, so anything less is not even a consolation prize. I do paraphrase the line of thought of course.

As I said earlier, someone will have to show me where I said anything like that.

 

[GVF]

It's a wonder you have ever been a UT fan at all, nuch less donate the money you claim to donate. No coach in UT history has stacked on the conference titles. They have all had long droughts. According to your measuring stick of success, UT has never, in it's entire history been a full size d---. We've always come up an inch shorter than the ones that make everyone happy. Every coach in UT history has had title droughts. The only thing we have going for us then, is that Fulmer is the winningest coach around. No one else in modern coaching has one the percentage of games he has. Oh several have won titles since we have, even had a couple of dominate years. But, none have consistently won regular seasons games the way we have, even on tougher schedules since WE DON'T do the Div II thing. And since SC only has one solo title in the last 3 years, the other being a split, and them coming from the PAC-10, if they have moderate success as we have and go dry on the itles for a few years and become perennial 8-10 game winners, never really do bad, then we can expect Carroll to be on the hot seat.

 

[hatvol96]

No less brilliant than firing a coach with the highest winning percentage among active coaches for having one or two bad seasons.

If you think only one or two seasons have been subpar, I'd love to have you doing the performance evaluation when my contract comes up for renegotiation.

 

[utvolpj]

If you think only one or two seasons have been subpar, I'd love to have you doing the performance evaluation when my contract comes up for renegotiation.

Booooooo, you've used it before!

 

[hatvol96]

It's a wonder you have ever been a UT fan at all, nuch less donate the money you claim to donate. No coach in UT history has stacked on the conference titles. They have all had long droughts. According to your measuring stick of success, UT has never, in it's entire history been a full size d---. We've always come up an inch shorter than the ones that make everyone happy. Every coach in UT history has had title droughts. The only thing we have going for us then, is that Fulmer is the winningest coach around. No one else in modern coaching has one the percentage of games he has. Oh several have won titles since we have, even had a couple of dominate years. But, none have consistently won regular seasons games the way we have, even on tougher schedules since WE DON'T do the Div II thing. And since SC only has one solo title in the last 3 years, the other being a split, and them coming from the PAC-10, if they have moderate success as we have and go dry on the itles for a few years and become perennial 8-10 game winners, never really do bad, then we can expect Carroll to be on the hot seat.

If a coach at SC goes seven years without a conference title, I am certain they will be on the hot seat.

 

[hatvol96]

Booooooo, you've used it before!

I'm using that as my form response to the winning % blather.

 

[therealUT]

Subpar compared to Fulmer? or subpar compared to UT football from 1960-1992? In the past 7 years there have been seasons that have been subpar for Fulmer however above par for UT football from 1960 on.

 

[Freak]

You are among those who worship at the altar of winning % stats. Go look at the top 10 coaches in winning %. See how many of them have seven year conference title droughts as part of their resume.

and see how many of those play in the SEC

I'm so sick of hearing about that winning % stat.

If you are in sales, as I am, no one cares what you did 7 years ago. If you do not make your numbers for this month, quarter, or year, you are in trouble.

Why should I have higher standards in a job that pays $2 million dollars less?

Come on OTD, in most professions if you have a long record of success and have a bad year you won't get shown the door. I think you get put on notice that it can't happen again.

 

[orangetd88]

Come on OTD, in most professions if you have a long record of success and have a bad year you won't get shown the door. I think you get put on notice that it can't happen again.

Not in sales.

 

[orangetd88]

Do you want the orange VX t-shirt or would you prefer the black?

LOL

 

[hatvol96]

Not in sales.

First Place-A new Cadillac.
Second Place-A set of steak knives.
Third Place-You're fired.

 

[Freak]

Not in sales.

Maybe your job/company is different becuase I have seen it happen in sales. Or maybe the time or two I have seen it happen is the exception. Depends on the company I guess.

:biggrin2:

 

[hatvol96]

and see how many of those play in the SEC
Come on OTD, in most professions if you have a long record of success and have a bad year you won't get shown the door. I think you get put on notice that it can't happen again.

For the love of Neyland, it's not just one bad year.

 

[hatvol96]

Subpar compared to Fulmer? or subpar compared to UT football from 1960-1992? In the past 7 years there have been seasons that have been subpar for Fulmer however above par for UT football from 1960 on.

Why would the standard not simply be excellence? I really couldn't care less how Fulmer compares to Bill Battle or Harvey Robinson. Using these standards, Jerry Green would still be the basketball coach.

 

[Lexvol]

It's a wonder you have ever been a UT fan at all, They have all had long droughts. . Every coach in UT history has had title droughts. - And since SC only has one solo title in the last 3 years, the other being a split, and them coming from the PAC-10, if they have moderate success as we have and go dry on the itles for a few years and become perennial 8-10 game winners, never really do bad, then we can expect Carroll to be on the hot seat.

Why do we always question who is and isn't a fan? I am much more concerned when people care about the employment of individuals more than the overall good of the program.

CPF's title droughts just happen to come when UT was on the cusp of becoming an elite program (an opportunity that UT has never been afforded). Instead of taking the bull by the horns you can look at UT's current draft results to see that a bit of laziness crept into the coaching staff. I am unable to dismiss the fact that when invited to play among the elites, UT missed their golden opportunity. My primary complaint with the winning percentage crowd is their unwillingness to look at the context. If UT had won a conference championship since 98 then the argument MIGHT have a little more validity.

USC went through several coaches to get to Carroll, and they weren't very patient with anyone including John Robinson who some would call a legend, not to mention what Nebraska did to Solich.