Grimm

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#251
Aside from the build up to the wedding, really good season finale. Sorry but kill Rosalee, Monroe was such a better character without her.
 
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#253
Wow, this episode!I think it was a better finale/cliff hanger than either of the others.



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Well at least we know we have Trubel for at least the 1st 1/4 of next season. I'm sure she will be Nicks Grimm body guard till he locates the cure, then for the episode or 2 when he debate whether he wants a normal life or a Grimm life.
 
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those are definitely the spoilers. What I read said it would be even longer than 1/4 the season. Will be interesting how they play it from here. Even though I have my doubts about Renard's allegiances, I don't want him killed off.
 
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I really hope it doesn't take too long for Nick to get his powers back. It reminds me of Heroes when they had Peter's powers taken away and it sucked after that.
 
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I don't see why folks are hating on the new girl. I like the new dynamic she brings to a show.

Also from everything I have read. I don't think she will be going anywhere soon from the cast, producers, writers and the studio think they have found a superstar in Jacqueline Toboni who plays Truble.

'Grimm': Jacqueline Toboni, who plays 'Trubel,' was cast while still in college

On "Grimm," Jacqueline Toboni made an immediate impact as Theresa Rubel, a drifter with an entirely fitting nickname -- "Trubel," pronounced "Trouble," which is what has followed her all her young life.

Toboni herself also made an instant impression on "Grimm" co-creator and co-executive Jim Kouf, who met Toboni in February, when he came to the University of Michigan, which Kouf's daughter attends.

"Jim and his wife Lynn were there, speaking to our class," recalls Toboni, in a phone conversation. "They had been trying to cast this role for quite some time, and hadn't found the right person."

Kouf and his wife were at the university on a Friday, as Toboni recalls. Kouf thought Toboni, an acting student, had potential. In a whirlwind few days, Toboni taped herself auditioning for the "Grimm" role on a Saturday, got the call the "Grimm" producers wanted to see her on Sunday morning, and flew out to Los Angeles.

"I got there Monday, and went into the audition room on the NBC Universal lot," Toboni, 22, says. "I got to sit in the 'Grimm' writers' room while they were crafting this character. To see the minds behind it was something very special."

Later that day, Toboni found "I was going to the network, with another girl." The NBC executives liked her, because, "later that night, I found out I was flying to Portland to test with David Giuntoli," who plays the lead character of Nick Burkhardt on the filmed-in-Portland "Grimm."

"He was so generous with his time," Toboni says of Giuntoli. "Before I tested, he had like a five-minute break, and took me out to this balcony that looked over the Portland bridges, which was really beautiful. He said, I want you to be comfortable. He's been so gracious, and looking out for me, and playing big brother."

Toboni's test went well too, and next thing she knew, "I flew back to Michigan, and packed up my bags."

In short order, Toboni was in Portland, on the set of "Grimm," filming "Nobody Knows the Trubel I've Seen," the Season 3 episode that introduced her character. The episode aired on April 25.

In the show, it took meeting Nick for Trubel to realize that she, like him, was a Grimm -- one of the chosen few who have the ability to see Wesen, the scary supernatural creatures who look like normal humans to everyone else.

Growing up seeing monsters she couldn't understand, Trubel was unable to make anyone believe her, and her youth was a sad, difficult parade of foster homes and stints inside mental institutions.

Toboni has made Trubel a complicated, prickly, sympathetic character, and Nick has taken her under his wing, explaining what it means to be a Grimm, and reassuring her that not all Wesen are deadly. After all, Nick's best friend is Monroe (Silas Weir Mitchell), a Blutbad, who may be a wolf-like creature when he morphs into his Wesen state, but is the mildest of men most of the time.

In the past three episodes, Trubel has learned more about her heritage, just as Nick and his girlfriend Juliette (Bitsie Tulloch) -- who have put Trubel up in their guest room -- learn more about the new Grimm in Portland.

With the Season 3 finale coming up Friday, May 16, Toboni couldn't reveal much about what's next for Trubel, but she is generous with praise for her "Grimm" castmates, and for Portland.

When she was in the "Grimm" writers' room in L.A., Toboni says, she heard that the "Grimm" cast in Portland is "a really tight-knit family," as she recalls. She was told "nobody is a diva, nobody's too big for their britches, they're all really down to earth. And I was thinking that's amazing, but if they're such a tight-knit family, I was a little nervous about coming in and breaking that up -- as Trubel tends to do."

To her relief, "I couldn't have been more wrong. They were all so great in terms of welcoming me, inviting me to watch the episodes, having dinner. They're all really great people."

Toboni, who grew up in San Francisco, had been to Portland before. "My brother (Joey Toboni) went to Lewis and Clark, and played basketball there," she says. "I remember going to Jake's for his graduation dinner in 2008."

While San Francisco is her home, "and my favorite city in the world," Toboni says, "the only city I think that's comparable is Portland. The people are so nice and welcoming. I told people I was new in town, and they gave me lists of restaurants to try."

Sasha Roiz, who plays Captain Renard on "Grimm," "lent me his bike, so I was able to get around. I'm thankful to the people there for, number one keeping it weird, and just for welcome me with open arms."

As to whether "Grimm" viewers will see more of Trubel when she returns for the next season, Toboni says, "I don't know. It depends on how much the storyline needs her. It's a great character."

Oh, and in case you're wondering, despite the "Grimm" interruption, Toboni did complete her final term at the University of Michigan. "I graduated about a week ago," she says, "with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in acting."
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Don't Read the below article if you haven't seen the finale!!


'Grimm' Boss Talks Finale, Teases Season 4 Plans: 'We Dug a Lot of Holes for Ourselves'

No one can accuse Grimm of going out quietly Friday night.

The Season 3 finale, "Blond Ambition," was chock full of emotional highs (the Wesen wedding worth woging for) and lows (Juliette can't stop the mental image of Nick in bed with a magically disguised Adalind in her negligee), women scorned, and shocking cliffhangers. Has Nick lost his powers for good? Will Trubel be Portland's new demon slayer? Will Juliette and Nick stay together and will he ever give her that damn ring already? Will Captain McChesty survive his GSWs? Will Wu finally get to be an official member of the Scooby Gang now that he's seen the creature catalogs? What will Adalind do when she deplanes and realizes that Viktor does not have her magic moppet? Will Monroe and Rosalee get a reception refund?

With so many burning questions left unanswered, it's bound to be a long summer for fans of the fantasy procedural series. To help tide you over, Yahoo TV spoke exclusively with executive producer Jim Kouf about the "supercharged" finale and where the show is headed next fall.

How much of this season's end was planned out before you knew you were renewed for another season?
Before we were renewed? Not much. We have a unique approach to how we write the show, which is that we come up with ideas of what we want to do for an episode but we let the characters develop as they naturally would develop as we flush out an episode. So sometimes like with the ending we had, we don't know exactly how it will happen until we sit down to write the ending.

But there were so many storylines that have been woven throughout the season — Adalind and the baby and the Resistance versus Royals — that it seems like…
We did a lot of pre-planning. But we really didn't. If you develop your characters well, they take on a natural development and they need certain things to happen for them. They all have their own driving force. We discover a lot of things as we go along and we try to make good use of them. Originally the end of the season was going to be Adalind giving birth, but that became the mid-season. We knew we wanted Rosalee and Monroe to get married this season, but we didn't know exactly when it was going to come [within the season]. It just unfolded that way naturally.

Would the ending have been different if you weren't getting another season?
Yes of course. It wouldn't have been full of questions because that would just be cruel. But there was no indication from NBC that they weren't going to give us another season so we did not have a plan for that scenario. No we did not. We did the first year when we didn't know if we were going to get more than 13 episodes. That finale was going to be Hitler. We were going to say he was the biggest, baddest Blutbad of all time. But we got to keep going.

I loved the juxtaposition of the beautiful wedding for Monroe and Rosalee, complete with his parents' acceptance and blessing of their union, and yet another roadblock courtesy of Adalind in Juliette and Nick's journey. Will Nick and Juliette ever get their happy ending?The reality of that relationship is that there are highs and lows to dating and living with a Grimm. Being with someone who can see the monsters within people doesn't make life easy. Their lives are always in jeopardy. He can see things she can't. He can't always put her first because he has his Grimm calling. We try to be as real as we can with their complicated relationship. Personally, if they can stay together, I think they should get married but then they have other issues. Do they have kids? Will they take the chance of having a kid with Grimm powers? Do we want to bring a child into the world?

And, of course, the culprit was Adalind again.
This is a woman who has lost her child and she will do anything to get that baby back. You never want to cross a mom. Nobody knew that by taking Adalind's baby, which they believed they were doing for the right reasons, they essentially put in play Adalind trying to get her baby back by whatever means necessary and that had unforeseen consequences.

The last couple of episodes and the finale all had a lot of debate about whether being a Grimm was a blessing or a curse and in the finale Juliette even said she wasn't sure she could keep living like this. Then, bam, his powers are taken from him. Is there a chance that Nick could choose to stay "normal?"
If he can get his powers back. First, he has to deal with the loss and then he will have to deal with what it means for him to know what he knows and not have these powers and then he'll have to decide whether it is a good thing or bad thing that he is no longer a Grimm. These are all things we will deal with in Season 4. We'll pick it up right where we left off because there are too many threads left untied. We have to go back and examine everything we set up. We dug a lot of holes for ourselves.

Could Trubel step in and take over Portland's Grimm needs?
She's gotta be Nick's eyes for awhile. She's become even more valuable to him. It's like somebody who used to be able to see that cannot see anymore, but it doesn't make his life any easier. He knows the world works differently and now he is just not connected as he was so he has to rely on Trubel.

Does this increase the chances that actress Jacqueline Toboni will stick around for a large part of next season?
That's definitely a possibility. Everybody has fallen in love with Trubel and Jacqueline. It is a big thing to be plucked out of the University of Michigan with no real warning and be thrown onto the front line. She fit right in with the cast, the physicality of the role was not an issue for her as an athlete with three brothers, and is an incredibly confident young woman with a good sense of humor. She already lasted longer than our original plan. It was supposed to be three episodes and that was it. We hadn't thought about writing her into the finale, her fourth episode, until we wrote the third episode and realized we couldn't get rid of her yet. She turned into an integral part of the finale. It was natural for her to stay which led to her being in the house when the Captain got shot which led to her going to the wedding where everything came apart. There is also a possibility that [Roland's son] Josh will start to see because he is a descendant of a Grimm. Just because he hasn't seen anything yet doesn't mean that he won't become a Grimm.

You shot Captain Renard. Is he in real jeopardy?
He's definitely in jeopardy yeah. [Laughs.] It depends on Sasha's contract.

I can't fathom a Season 4 without shirtless Renard.
I know. We have too much fun with shirtless rage. We really threw it in there at the end, didn't we? We were gratuitous with shirtlessness for just that reason. Just in case he dies.

In the hunt episode, it was alluded to that something worse was coming?
That was the baby. The baby will change the world. There will be a lot of handwringing about where did the child go next season. Viktor wants that child. The Royals want the child. Adalind wants her child. No one is going to give up on finding that baby.

So we haven't seen the last of the baby?
Well, you haven't seen the last of the search for the baby. It becomes a very practical issue. You don't want to go to a child that can't say anything for three scenes when you have so many other things to get to. The action is with the people trying to find out where the child is, not so much with the child eating its first solid meal. It's going to be more important when it is about 5. So Season 9 we will get back to the baby.

Sgt. Wu sees the books in Nick's house and realizes that maybe the Aswang wasn't all in his head. He also knows where Adalind's storage locker is. Does Wu get to save the day next season and/or become an official member of the Scooby Gang?
Well, we definitely gotta deal with his issues. Now that he walked into that room and he's seen the books, he's going to have a lot of questions and it will be a lot harder to ignore them. It's gotta unfold naturally. If it gets to the point where they just can't avoid it anymore, somebody will have to say something. We try not to pre-think these things too much or force anything too much just because we want it to happen. We prefer things to happen as the characters need it or want it. If it makes sense for Reggie's character to finally be confronted with this other world, then we're going to do it. There's always a possibility that he will start to see.

Nick now has two keys to the map and the Royals were a huge part of this season. Will the Royal mythology story be increasingly important next season?
Yes. They will keep pushing. They want the child. They want to establish their power and getting rid of the Grimms is an important part of their agenda. We try to advance the mythology a little every episode as well as give it the procedural elements.

This season had some great Wesen from Aswang to Krampus and Zauberbiest. Do you have any new beasts planned for next season?
There's another Spanish one we'd like to do and another Filipino one. We'd like to do a Chinese story this year. It is important to us to keep expanding the universe and pull from fairy tales and legends from all over the world.

Is next season's opener planned?
Yes. Broad strokes. David and I need to know the basics when we regroup in June. We need to have a good idea with what we are dealing with before we send everyone off on their way to start coming up with new ideas.

Can you give us a few teases?
The best tease is to just really look what we have left them to deal with. You have a police captain being shot in a detective's house by an ex-FBI agent whose head was cut off by somebody staying there, and you have Wu looking at the books which is going to trigger his issues. You have Nick without power and a wedding full of people who saw a new Grimm. You have Adalind on a plane going to see her baby that Viktor doesn't actually have. We are picking it up right from that moment. We can't avoid any of that.

There is a lot of emotion, a lot of problems and a lot of issues. It is all super-charged and it is a better ride if your characters have to deal with all their problems. NBC has been great because they don't make us shortchange everything. They really give us the room to explore what these characters need to go through.

Grimm returns this fall on NBC.
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VolsSportsFan said:
I really hope it doesn't take too long for Nick to get his powers back. It reminds me of Heroes when they had Peter's powers taken away and it sucked after that.
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Right! I mean how bad was that? Pretty much as bad as cancelling the show.

CagleMtnVol said:
I don't see why folks are hating on the new girl. I like the new dynamic she brings to a show.

Also from everything I have read. I don't think she will be going anywhere soon from the cast, producers, writers and the studio think they have found a superstar in Jacqueline Toboni who plays Truble.
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Have you seen much of Nick being a Grimm since she came onto the show? No.
 
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I'm not watching the show just to watch Nick be a Grimm, but I haven't seen that much of a drop off. Some people gripe just because they think it's required to do.

I like the way the show is going.
 
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volfanbill said:
I'm not watching the show just to watch Nick be a Grimm, but I haven't seen that much of a drop off. Some people gripe just because they think it's required to do.

I like the way the show is going.
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Passive aggressive much, bill?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The finale did a 5.34, which is their highest rated finale. So I'd say she's here to stay a while.
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Doesn't mean anything with regard to her.

Season 1
Premiere: 6.56 Finale: 5.10
Season 2
Premiere: 5.64 Finale: 4.99
Season 3
Premiere: 6.15 Finale: 5.39
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Aside from the build up to the wedding, really good season finale. Sorry but kill Rosalee, Monroe was such a better character without her.
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Kill Juliette. Ever since the spell Adelind put on her making her forget Nick her character has become lifeless.
 
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coug said:
Kill Juliette. Ever since the spell Adelind put on her making her forget Nick her character has become lifeless.
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I'm with you, though I've never been much of a fan. Monroe was my favorite character though, they've really screwed him up. IMO
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I'm with you, though I've never been much of a fan. Monroe was my favorite character though, they've really screwed him up. IMO
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Juliette was actually so much better the first season. She had personality and the two of them had chemistry. None of that is there anymore.

Most of the Monroe issue is that now that there is like a "Grimm Posse" everyone is sharing screen time. The majority of the time you see Monroe he's with Rosalee but there are the rare times when Monroe is actually out with Nick helping to fight someone.

Also, if you haven't noticed, gone are the times when they'd introduce new wessen each week and Nick was actually still a detective trying to solve crimes and catch bad wessen. That's another reason to why Monroe is different.

These tv shows slowly start to get further and further away from where they started and further away from what they were, and what made them great shows out of the gate. Sticking to your roots isn't always a bad thing.

Well now everything is in line because they've screwed up Nick too and gotten a new Grimm.

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coug said:
Juliette was actually so much better the first season. She had personality and the two of them had chemistry. None of that is there anymore.

Most of the Monroe issue is that now that there is like a "Grimm Posse" everyone is sharing screen time. The majority of the time you see Monroe he's with Rosalee but there are the rare times when Monroe is actually out with Nick helping to fight someone.

Also, if you haven't noticed, gone are the times when they'd introduce new wessen each week and Nick was actually still a detective trying to solve crimes and catch bad wessen. That's another reason to why Monroe is different.

These tv shows slowly start to get further and further away from where they started and further away from what they were, and what made them great shows out of the gate. Sticking to your roots isn't always a bad thing.

Well now everything is in line because they've screwed up Nick too and gotten a new Grimm.

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I will agree with this. Grimm sort of seems to be doing the same thing Fringe did. It's first 2 seasons it was more of a new X-Files, with many "Monster of the Week" type episodes with an over-arching storyline. By the end of season 3 they abandoned all that, in fact almost rebooting the storyline and after that every episode was just about the main storyline.

I still enjoyed Fringe just like I still enjoy Grimm, but I did miss the older format on Fringe and I'll probably miss the older format for Grimm if they go further away from it. I think part of the thinking is shows like this have the self contained "Monster of the Week" episodes so someone just tuning in don't feel lost, but by the 3rd season or so they figure they aren't going to be picking up many brand new viewers so they decide to stick to a main storyline.
 
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coug said:
Doesn't mean anything with regard to her.

Season 1
Premiere: 6.56 Finale: 5.10
Season 2
Premiere: 5.64 Finale: 4.99
Season 3
Premiere: 6.15 Finale: 5.39
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Oh I know that, but you have to think like they do. Since ratings didn't plummet, they'll rationalize everyone likes her enough. For them to pull the plug on her, ratings will have to start dropping.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I will agree with this. Grimm sort of seems to be doing the same thing Fringe did. It's first 2 seasons it was more of a new X-Files, with many "Monster of the Week" type episodes with an over-arching storyline. By the end of season 3 they abandoned all that, in fact almost rebooting the storyline and after that every episode was just about the main storyline.

I still enjoyed Fringe just like I still enjoy Grimm, but I did miss the older format on Fringe and I'll probably miss the older format for Grimm if they go further away from it. I think part of the thinking is shows like this have the self contained "Monster of the Week" episodes so someone just tuning in don't feel lost, but by the 3rd season or so they figure they aren't going to be picking up many brand new viewers so they decide to stick to a main storyline.
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I was literally sitting there one day watching Fringe and started thinking about previous episodes and was realizing how much I was missing those single, stand alone episodes.

VolsSportsFan said:
Oh I know that, but you have to think like they do. Since ratings didn't plummet, they'll rationalize everyone likes her enough. For them to pull the plug on her, ratings will have to start dropping.
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Doesn't matter at this point. Given what's transpired during the finale we're guaranteed to see her for at least the first 5 episodes, possibly the entire season even. It all depends on how long they milk Nick struggling to get his powers back.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Meh. The Wessen this week was lame, and I don't enjoy Nick being normal.
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I kinda think they just scratched the surface on the Wessen. The book says it's one of the worst Wessen they've ever dealt with so it has to show more next week right? Also, no mention about the ending?
 
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