Ground zero mosque.

That is plainly your opinion. Jihadi extremism is a perversion of the Kuran - not the original teachings.

Was it you who said the Crusaders gained everything back for Chrisendom??

Whatever book you read that from is as full of lies as isBarack Hussein Obama.

“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
Barack Hussein Obama

Islam has a long tradition of intolerance, oppression and as a matter of fact has enslaved more black Africans than all the rest of the world put together by far.



The Normans liberated Sicily in 1072.

After three years of battle in the First Crusade he Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099.

The Second Crusade the Crusaders circa 1147-49 failed to capture Damascus, a Christian city before it was captured by Islam.

During he Third Crusade or the King’s Crusade circa 1189-92, the Crusaders failed to capture Jerusalem. The King’s Crusade ended with a peace treaty signed between Sultan Saladin and Richard the Lionheart that allowed the Christians pilgrimage to Jerusalem which remained under Muslim control. (Of course we know that the koran tells muslim leaders to make no peace treaty that exceeds ten years and even then if a better way of jihad is discovered then ignore the treaty amd proceed as usual. It wasn't long before muslims were taking European slaves, castrating the men and cutting out their tongues and never stopped taking black slaves until today. As matter of fact the muslims never honored the treaty at all except in and about jerusalem for a while.)

The Crusaders captured Constantinople in 1204. The Fourth Crusade ended without even reaching the Holy Land.

Joint forces of Christian Kingdoms of the Iberian Peninsula - Castile, Aragon, Navarre and Portugal severely defeated the Berber Muslims in the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212. The event was the turning point in the reconquest of the Iberian peninsula by the Christian Kingdoms.

The last Muslim stronghold in Spain, Granada, fell to the Christians in 1492 the same year Columbus 'discovered' America.

For over 700 years muslims were tyrants to the people of all or portions of the Iberian penensula, charging exorbitant taxes over non-muslims while living in splendor and taking the best looking young girls each year to serve as concubines.

The Children’s Crusade of 1212. Thousands of children departed to the Holy Land but the vast majority were sold into slavery and never made it neither to the Holy Land nor back home.

The Fifth Crusade of 1217-21 resulted in Sultan Al-Kamil agreeing to surrender Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Nazareth to the Crusaders.

The Seventh Crusade led by Louis IX of France to Egypt failed. Louis IX was captured and released after paying an enormous ransom in 1250.

Louis IX of France died in 1270 during the Eighth Crusade which ended as a failure.

Mamluks captured Acre in 1291, the last Crusader stronghold in the Holy Land.

1324 marked the death of Marco Polo, the Venetian merchant known for his journey to China and who described the thriving Assyrian Christian church network founded by St Thomas that stretched all along the silk road and was also an important influence in China itself.

At no time the the Crusades recover for Chrisendom the destroyed churches of the Arabian penensula, the Tigris Euphrates valleys in present day Iraq, an area which was overwhelmingly Christian when the muslims swept out of the desert, never again was northern Africa and many other areas ever recovered from the draconian rule of islam.

Ottoman forces under Bayezid I decisively defeated the Christian allies under the leadership of Sigismund of Hungary and the future Holy Roman Emperor at the Battle of Nicopolis in 1396. Bulgaria became an Ottoman vassal state.

Ottoman Sultan Murad I decisively defeated the Serbian forces led by Prince Lazar at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389. Prince Lazar and most of the Serbian nobility were killed in the battle.

The Ottomans under Sultan Murad II decisively defeated the crusader army led by Polish-Hungarian king Wladislaw III who was killed in the battle in 1444. The event set the stage for the Fall of Constantinople. (Now istanbul and still controled by the muslims under a Turkish government that seems intent on reviving the Ottoman Empire.)

The Ottomans under Sultan Mehmed II captured Constantinople in 1453. The Fall of Constantinople marked the end of the Byzantine Empire. (or the eastern branch of the Orthodox Catholic Christian Church and it's political affiliates.)

In 1683 the Ottoman muslim Turks laid siege to Vienna in Austria.

And the war that has raged for 1,400 years continues on today and political correctness in America denies us the right to even name the enemy.




That's right, because it couldn't be that said Biblical verses mandating Christians to slay those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ just don't exist. :crazy:

That's okay. I'm willing to wait until he reads the entire thing, cover to cover. Might just do him some good. :eek:k:

"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
– Theodore Roosevelt
 
Incorrect. Certain passages of the Bible can be read to stand for the proposition that anyone who refused to abide by the rule of Jesus Christ was to be killed.


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No. It is the opinion of those with more expertise on the Koran than either of us. Entire BOOKS have been written by ex-Muslims on the subject citing chapter and verse.

The response from your side amounts to handwaving.

Most Muslim people aren't violent and just want to live. But they cower in fear of the radical elements.

The following is gathered from several sources written mostly in 2005 and 2006, some of which was claified and verified in 2010:

Mustafa Saied, the Floridian who left the Brotherhood six years ago, recalls how he was recruited in 1994 while a junior at the University of Tennessee. After Saied attended numerous prayer sessions, a fellow Muslim student took him to a quiet corner of a campus cafeteria and asked him to join.

"It was a dream, because that’s what you’re conditioned to do - to really love the Ikhwan," Saied says, using the Arabic term for Brotherhood members.

After he joined, he learned the names of other local members.

"I was shocked," he says. "These people had really hid the fact that they were Brotherhood."

Over the last 40 years, small groups of devout Muslim men have gathered in homes in U.S. cities to pray, memorize the Koran and discuss events of the day.

But they also addressed their ultimate goal, one so controversial that it is a key reason they have operated in secrecy: to create Muslim states overseas and, they hope, someday in America as well.

Saied says he found out that the U.S. Brotherhood had a plan for achieving Islamic rule in America: It would convert Americans to Islam and elect like-minded Muslims to political office.

"They’re very smart. Everyone else is gullible," Saied says. "If the Brotherhood puts up somebody for an election, Muslims would vote for him not knowing he was with the Brotherhood."

Saied says he left the group after several years because he disliked its anti-American sentiments and its support for violence in the Middle East.

The U.S. Brotherhood was influential from its beginning - in 1963 it helped establish the Muslim Students Association, one of the first national Islamic groups in the U.S.

The Islamic Society of North America, the umbrella group for the Muslim Youth of North America and the Muslim Students Association, says Brotherhood members helped form those groups but that their overall influence has been limited.

As the Investigative Project on Terrorism reported in 2009, ISNA's Warith Deen Umar’s remarks during a “meet the authors” panel included claims that Jews controlled the world, used the Civil Rights movement for their own gain and suffered the Holocaust as a punishment for being “serially disobedient to Allah.”

Umar’s radicalism and anti-Semitism were easily discoverable to anyone who bothered to look. A simple Google search for Umar and his book titles turns up this 2003 article on Umar’s opinion that the 9/11 hijackers were martyrs; this excerpt from his book Judaiology, which describes “the inordinacy of Jewish power” and calls Jews “an amazing people who can steal you blind as you watch; and this audio recording from a 2004 speech in which Umar endorses violence: (LINK)

Likewise, ISNA had nothing to say about a second speaker on the authors’ panel, who argued that Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terrorist group second only to Al Qaeda in the number of Americans it has killed, serves as a protective force for Lebanon. Cathy Sultan’s remarks ignored Hezbollah’s role as an Iranian proxy and its campaign of violence. (And ignore thier horrid genocidal campaign against the Christians of Lebanon, aided by 35 years of occupation by Syria during which man thousands of young Christian men were arrested during the middle of the night, shipped off the the dungeons of Syria, never to be heard from again.)

All sorts of hate speech literature is available at ISNA conventions in America, much of which is directed at college age attendees.

Groups that the Brotherhood helped form printed Islamic books, many of which were distributed at mosques and on college campuses. They included Sayyid Qutb’s "In the Shade of the Koran" and "Milestones," which urge jihad, martyrdom and the creation of Islamic states. Scholars came to view his writings as manifestos for Islamic militants.

The al-Qaeda paradigm can be traced back to an earlier model normally associated with Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood ideologue Sayyid Qutb. In his last book, Milestones on the Road (1965), Qutb argued that the Koran presented a blueprint for the establishment of a 'true' Islamic State. Allah, said Qutb, had deliberately revealed this model in sequential stages (milestones).

Bin Laden's mentor Abdullah Azzam wrote that "Every principle needs a vanguard to carry it forward . . . this vanguard constitutes al-qaeda al-sulbah (the solid base) for the expected society" and during the Carter administration they were able to practice their jihad with US support in Afghanistan.

The new paradigm associated with Azzam and bin Laden developed against the background of the war in Afghanistan. The Afghan-Arab mujahideen believed that the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Afghan communist regime resulted from their correct implementation of Qutb's Koranic blueprint and gave birth to the Taliban. The al-Qaeda paradigm therefore bases the 'milestones' of its theory of revolution on the sequence of events in Afghanistan.

Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad leader who became bin Laden's second in command, said, "the road to Jerusalem passes through Cairo".

Yet Zawahiri and many other Islamist ideologues altered their line in Afghanistan, seeing the destruction of America (and Asia's 'regional superpower', Australia) as the precondition for the overthrow of nominally Muslim regimes. Thus terrorist 'raids' against Western countries are a means to an end in a struggle within the Muslim world, not a reaction to specific actions by America or Australia. This is why rather than discouraging terrorism, acts of 'appeasement' are likely to add credibility to the al-Qaeda model.

The extremely ambitious attacks of 11 September 2001 demonstrated the success that bin Laden's group enjoyed in applying this new model of jihad. Radicals trained at hijra in Afghanistan had infiltrated the lands of the unbeliever and struck the superpower at its heart.

These attacks heralded a leap in the activity of Islamic terrorist groups, and affirmed bin Laden and Zawahiri's status as the most successful practitioners of Qutb-inspired terrorism to date. (The term 'hijra' literally means immigration and it's tradition goes back to Muhammed who found himself in trouble in Mecca, migrated to Medina, conquered it by trickery, treachery and in the end slaughtering all who didn't surrender and join islam or pay a heavy infidel tax, thus from this power base he was able to return to Mecca and conquer it by force of arms.)

In recent years, the U.S. Brotherhood operated under the name Muslim American Society.

Former member Mustafa Saied recalls how he gathered with 40 others at a Days Inn on the Alabama-Tennessee border. Many members, he says, preferred secrecy, particularly in case U.S. authorities cracked down on Hamas supporters, including many Brotherhood members.

When the leaders voted, it was decided that Brotherhood members would call themselves the Muslim American Society, or MAS, according to documents and interviews.

If the topic of terrorism were raised, leaders were told to say that they were against terrorism but that jihad was among a Muslim’s "divine legal right" to be used to defend himself and his people and to spread Islam.

FWIW islamic writings define jihad as 'inner struggle over one's self less than a dozen times, jihad is defined as violence against infidels (kaffirs) over 120 times.

MAS describes itself as a "charitable, religious, social, cultural and educational not-for-profit organization." It has headquarters in Alexandria, Va., and 53 chapters nationwide.

But he says that MAS, like the Brotherhood, believes in the teachings of Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna, which are "the closest reflection of how Islam should be in this life."

MAS says it has about 10,000 members and that any Muslim can join by paying $10 a month in dues.

But to be an "active" member - the highest membership class - one must complete five years of Muslim community service and education, which includes studying writings by Brotherhood ideologues al-Banna and Qutb.

Al-Banna was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler.

Al-Banna was so persistent in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930s Al-Banna and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence and who was affiliated closely with the islamic mufti of Jerusalem who fielded three SS divisions for Hitler's Nazis and instigated several masacres of Jewish people in the towns of Israel. (To the muslims and important Obama appointees, Jerusalem is known as al-Quds, thus the Hamas al-Quds brigates which is sworn to kill every jew in Jerusalem and conquer that city.)

One of the main voices behind the Muslim Brotherhood was Sayed Qutb. With time, Qutb would eventually become the organization's ambassador in the 1950s in Syria and Jordon, as well as being the editor of the Brotherhood's official publication. While in prison following an assassination attempt on Egypt's Nasser, Qutb wrote his treatise, Milestones, that advocated overthrowing Arab governments that refused to be run by anything other than the law of Islamic Shariah.

For Qutb, all non-Muslims were infidels - even the so-called 'people of the book', the Christians and Jews - and he predicted an eventual clash of civilisations between Islam and the west.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in Egypt since 1954. When Nasser cracked down on the Muslim Brotherhood in 1955 they initially moved headquarters to London and Geneva. Incidentally, the head of the Geneva offices was Said Ramadan, the son-in-law of al-Banna. In Geneva, Ramadan launched the Institute for Islamic Studies -- to become the civilized face of the Muslim Brotherhood, even having the distinction of dining with US President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1953 at the White House.

In recent months Akef, the international Brotherhood leader, repeatedly has praised Palestinian and Iraqi suicide bombers, called for the destruction of Israel and asserted that the United States has no proof that al-Qaida was to blame for the Sept. 11 attacks.

Qutb and Pakistan's Syed Abul Ala Maududi inspired a whole generation of Islamists, including Ayatollah Khomeini, who developed a Persian version of their works in the 1970s.

Jimmy Carter was a devotee of Khomeini, calling him a good religious man and maitains an Ayatollah Khomeini room in his Carter Center in Atlanta. The Ayatollah Khomeini issued the 1989 fatwa calling for the killing of Salman Rushdie.

Author and journalist Robert Dreyfuss also claims that the groundwork for the Ayatollah Khomeini was done by an Iranian by the name of Ali Shariat who was influenced by the Brotherhood.

When the Ayatollah Khomeini and his mullahs estabished their muclim theocracy after the fall of the pro-American government of the Shah, perhaps as many as 30,000 were executed within the first year, most were tortured before being murdered.

Today's Iran, as well as trying to develope nuclear bombs for the purpose of being a world power, gives harbor to al-Qaeda and Taliban terrorists who target American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps other places, also providing sophisticated high explosive roadside bombs that kill and maim American troops.

According to a special fatwah or "religious decree" issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, virgin women prisoners must be raped before execution to prevent their going to heaven. Members of Iran's feared Basij militia forcibly marry female virgin prisoners the night before scheduled executions, raping their new "wives" and making it religiously acceptable to execute them. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl's family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

Concerning the rape of male prisoners the Iranian iman Mesbah-Yazdi: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

"If the judgment for the female prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage to Mecca, but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to the Shi'ite holy city of Karbala."

As a sidenote, with respect to Hezbollah, it is widely reported that the organization got its beginnings in Iran.

Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir as-Sadr of Iraq was also very influential in advancing the islamo/fascist Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria.

MAS collected $2.8 million in dues and donations in 2003 in America - more than 10 times the amount in 1997, according to Internal Revenue Service filings.

Spending often is aimed at schools, teachers and children, the filings show. It also set up Islamic American University, largely a correspondence school with an office in suburban Detroit, to train teachers and preachers.

Until 18 months ago, the university’s chairman was Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a prominent cleric in Qatar and a spiritual figure of the Brotherhood who has angered many in the West by praising suicide bombers in Israel and Iraq. The U.S. government has barred him from entering the country since late 1999.

Some of the propaganda passed to teenagers states; "Until the nations of the world have functionally Islamic governments, every individual who is careless or lazy in working for Islam is sinful." Another one says that Western secularism and materialism are evil and that Muslims should "pursue this evil force to its own lands" and "invade its Western heartland."
 
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Incorrect. Certain passages of the Bible can be read to stand for the proposition that anyone who refused to abide by the rule of Jesus Christ was to be killed.

You are going on a big reach to even remotely attempt to draw that conclusion.
 
EVERY SINGLE major religion has had a history of fanaticism and violence... it's called human nature. My girlfriend is a follower of Islam, gsvol... and she doesn't like the idea of the Mosque being built. But that's just a lie, right? She's just a sleeper cell waiting to blow something up, right?

Anyone here who has thrown any form of criticism at Islam is an effin' moron if they're doing so without having first read the the Qur'an (it's obvious most of you haven't because you seem to think it's called the Kuran). I myself am not religious, but I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an multiple times in various translations and it stands: Judaism/Christianity is more bound to the deity, while Islam is more bound to the way of the religion. Violence is a heavy theme in both texts, but at the end of the day, both stress peace. Again, it's human nature that distorts these teachings. Know why? Because most people are idiots.

And to elaborate on LawGator's point... read Revelations, kids. It clearly states that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, your ass is gonna burn in some smokin' hot sulfur. Let me recall a few slogans, bumper stickers, and verses I've seen over the years...

"Jesus is coming, and he's mad. Repent! Repent!" - I thought the sucka couldn't get mad (barring the incident inside the temple when it was being treated like a trading floor).

"Get right or get left."

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23)

And just for fun, we'll throw this in:

"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:1)


I've digressed, point is, intolerance is the major flaw of the Qur'an (even though it's projected by third parties to be way worse than it actually is) and the major flaw of the Bible is that of fear-mongering. Lesson learned? Whether or not religions are worth believing, the human interpretation of them is seriously screwed up. Gsvol's breaking a buttload of rules right now with the hate he's spreading on here... might be pissing off the wrong sector of the Trinity, lol.
 
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EVERY SINGLE major religion has had a history of fanaticism and violence... it's called human nature. My girlfriend is a follower of Islam, gsvol... and she doesn't like the idea of the Mosque being built. But that's just a lie, right? She's just a sleeper cell waiting to blow something up, right?

Anyone here who has thrown any form of criticism at Islam is an effin' moron if they're doing so without having first read the the Qur'an (it's obvious most of you haven't because you seem to think it's called the Kuran). I myself am not religious, but I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an multiple times in various translations and it stands: Judaism/Christianity is more bound to the deity, while Islam is more bound to the way of the religion. Violence is a heavy theme in both texts, but at the end of the day, both stress peace. Again, it's human nature that distorts these teachings. Know why? Because most people are idiots.

And to elaborate on LawGator's point... read Revelations, kids. It clearly states that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, your ass is gonna burn in some smokin' hot sulfur. Let me recall a few slogans, bumper stickers, and verses I've seen over the years...

"Jesus is coming, and he's mad. Repent! Repent!" - I thought the sucka couldn't get mad (barring the incident inside the temple when it was being treated like a trading floor).

"Get right or get left."

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23)

And just for fun, we'll throw this in:

"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:1)


I've digressed, point is, intolerance is the major flaw of the Qur'an (even though it's projected by third parties to be way worse than it actually is) and the major flaw of the Bible is that of fear-mongering. Lesson learned? Whether or not religions are worth believing, the human interpretation of them is seriously screwed up. Gsvol's breaking a buttload of rules right now with the hate he's spreading on here... might be pissing off the wrong sector of the Trinity, lol.

This is all very interesting, and does a lot of jumping around, but it completely misses the point that lawgator was trying to imply, which was that Christians are commanded in the Bible to slay those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ. I see none of that in any of the verses you quoted.

Trying to equate intolerance with what you call fear-mongering is another far reach. If you don't believe that the Bible is accurate or that the God it describes exists, then why would any of it's prophecies and promises of judgment cause you any fear? It's no different than someone in a ghost costume at halloween saying "boo" to you. Fear is subjective to the individual. Getting your head chopped off because you won't pledge allegiance to Allah is not (and that never happens, right?)
 
This is all very interesting, and does a lot of jumping around, but it completely misses the point that lawgator was trying to imply, which was that Christians are commanded in the Bible to slay those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ. I see none of that in any of the verses you quoted.

Trying to equate intolerance with what you call fear-mongering is another far reach. If you don't believe that the Bible is accurate or that the God it describes exists, then why would any of it's prophecies and promises of judgment cause you any fear? It's no different than someone in a ghost costume at halloween saying "boo" to you. Fear is subjective to the individual. Getting your head chopped off because you won't pledge allegiance to Allah is not (and that never happens, right?)

Those verses were meant to support the point I made after quoting them. I tend to go all over the place when I have a lot of points to make... what LawGator said wasn't entirely true.. but the whole burning in sulfur bit IS fear-mongering, intimidation, or whatever you want to call scaring the weak-minded into buying into that mess. It doesn't necessarily have to cause fear within ME to be fear-mongering. If we applied what you're saying, then the term "Nazi scare tactics" needs to be wiped out of every history book we publish, right? It's a concept... not a feeling.

One word, man: inquisition. The beheadings are easier to use in illustrating your point because they're happening right now and Christianity's taken a temporary break from pulling heathens apart with horses, or sharpening their guillotines, or drowning evil witches.

All this crap is part of the same problem: organized religion and what happens when the human condition finds an excuse to engage in fanatical behavior. All a human needs to be truly sinister is a conviction.

Also, fear mongering is every bit as effective as intolerance. Know why? Again, most people inhabiting this planet lack self-awareness, the ability to think for themselves, and most of all, most people are idiots.
 
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Again...where in the direct Christian teachings of the New Testament are Christians compelled, ordered, commanded, etc. to slay, kill, convert by force, etc. as stated by LG?

Don't give me the instances where clearly followers have for their own gain and reasons gone astray and done something actually quite contradictory to the teachings of Christianity. We're talking beliefs at their core and what they teach...not the misguided actions clearly contrary to those teachings.
 
Also, fear mongering is every bit as effective as intolerance. Know why? Again, most people inhabiting this planet lack self-awareness, the ability to think for themselves, and most of all, most people are idiots.

mostly redundant redundancy, for the most part, mostly, generally speaking.
 
mostly redundant redundancy, for the most part, mostly, generally speaking.

I'll try to keep my posts limited to one-sentence quips that generally serve no purpose but to belittle the original post, m'kay? That'll make life fulfilling!
 
The problem with all organized religion is people are taught not to think for themselves. Do this and don't do that because its in the Bible/Koran/whatever. The church tells people what to do and congregations follow blindly. Organized religion is all about control.

People would be much better off if they simply took the time to think for themselves, develop a code to live by (I don't care where it comes from), follow it, and own it.
 
I'll try to keep my posts limited to one-sentence quips that generally serve no purpose but to belittle the original post, m'kay? That'll make life fulfilling!

I thought your unflappable self awareness and vise like grasp on human purpose was plenty fulfilling. Why would need posting to give you anything else. I assumed the hideous redundancy was a sign of true enlightenment that I simply didn't understand. Must be because some people on here use the word Kuran that the rest of us can't grasps the depths of human existence like someone dating a Muslim might.

I'm joining love sites now to rectify the problem.
 
Those verses were meant to support the point I made after quoting them. I tend to go all over the place when I have a lot of points to make... what LawGator said wasn't entirely true.. but the whole burning in sulfur bit IS fear-mongering, intimidation, or whatever you want to call scaring the weak-minded into buying into that mess. It doesn't necessarily have to cause fear within ME to be fear-mongering. If we applied what you're saying, then the term "Nazi scare tactics" needs to be wiped out of every history book we publish, right? It's a concept... not a feeling.

One word, man: inquisition. The beheadings are easier to use in illustrating your point because they're happening right now and Christianity's taken a temporary break from pulling heathens apart with horses, or sharpening their guillotines, or drowning evil witches.

All this crap is part of the same problem: organized religion and what happens when the human condition finds an excuse to engage in fanatical behavior. All a human needs to be truly sinister is a conviction.

Also, fear mongering is every bit as effective as intolerance. Know why? Again, most people inhabiting this planet lack self-awareness, the ability to think for themselves, and most of all, most people are idiots.

So glad to know I lack self-awareness, am weak-minded, etc. and that you have figured it out. :hi:
 
Those verses were meant to support the point I made after quoting them. I tend to go all over the place when I have a lot of points to make... what LawGator said wasn't entirely true.. but the whole burning in sulfur bit IS fear-mongering, intimidation, or whatever you want to call scaring the weak-minded into buying into that mess. It doesn't necessarily have to cause fear within ME to be fear-mongering. If we applied what you're saying, then the term "Nazi scare tactics" needs to be wiped out of every history book we publish, right? It's a concept... not a feeling.

One word, man: inquisition. The beheadings are easier to use in illustrating your point because they're happening right now and Christianity's taken a temporary break from pulling heathens apart with horses, or sharpening their guillotines, or drowning evil witches.

All this crap is part of the same problem: organized religion and what happens when the human condition finds an excuse to engage in fanatical behavior. All a human needs to be truly sinister is a conviction.

Also, fear mongering is every bit as effective as intolerance. Know why? Again, most people inhabiting this planet lack self-awareness, the ability to think for themselves, and most of all, most people are idiots.

Thank God they have you, in your infinite wisdom and benevolence, to protect them. What will your first step as sovereign of the universe be? Eliminating horror flicks and rollercoasters to protect the poor, weak-minded folks on the planet from experiencing a little fear? You're quite the elitist, aren't you?

By the way, you need to re-read your history books. The Nazis scare tactics involved a lot more than simple threats and prophecies of destruction, or are you also a holocaust denier?
 
I thought your unflappable self awareness and vise like grasp on human purpose was plenty fulfilling. Why would need posting to give you anything else. I assumed the hideous redundancy was a sign of true enlightenment that I simply didn't understand. Must be because some people on here use the word Kuran that the rest of us can't grasps the depths of human existence like someone dating a Muslim might.

I'm joining love sites now to rectify the problem.

See, now you're simply picking at me with semantics.

1. You picked one poorly constructed piece out of all my posts and ran with it.

2. I guarantee most of the people who so vigorously defend their Christian faith by attacking Islam are doing so without having ever read the Qur'an.

3. If you think the vast majority of people on this planet think for themselves and possess self-awareness, then arguing with someone as blind as you is a vast waste of my time.

By all means, keep going. You're gonna hit 50,000 posts soon.


Thank God they have you, in your infinite wisdom and benevolence, to protect them. What will your first step as sovereign of the universe be? Eliminating horror flicks and rollercoasters to protect the poor, weak-minded folks on the planet from experiencing a little fear? You're quite the elitist, aren't you?

By the way, you need to re-read your history books. The Nazis scare tactics involved a lot more than simple threats and prophecies of destruction, or are you also a holocaust denier?

Go ahead and ignore the rest of that post. But hey, if you think you're part of that category, sucks for you. You missed my point on scare tactics, by the way.
 
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You gentlemen can play the "you're an elitist" card all you want, but I'm just calling it how I see it.
 
See, now you're simply picking at me with semantics.

1. You picked one poorly constructed piece out of all my posts and ran with it.

2. I guarantee most of the people who so vigorously defend their Christian faith by attacking Islam are doing so without having ever read the Qur'an.

3. If you think the vast majority of people on this planet think for themselves and possess self-awareness, then arguing with someone as blind as you is a vast waste of my time.

By all means, keep going. You're gonna hit 50,000 posts soon.

I never said anything about what I believe. I didn't pick any single piece in responding. The broad generalized sanctimonious condescension was my target.

You have no idea how blind I might or might not be. What you do appear to know is that you are clearly superior to everyone on this site in terms of your grasp of religion and self awareness. Arguing with any of us who don't share your forearm strength is obviously a waste of your time.

The post count quip is astoundingly clever, inexplicably hurtful and fits almost perfectly into your redundancy tendencies. A perfect signoff if you will. Color me jealous (but remember, as your head expands, that said jealousy springs forth from my utter lack of self awareness or ability to formulate my own opinions).
 
You gentlemen can play the "you're an elitist" card all you want, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

Who's playing any card. We're all acknowledging the apparently very uniqueness that you represent here and we appreciate you descending from Olympus to enlighten us (and hen did they start allowing Muslims girlfriends on Olympus?).
 
You gentlemen can play the "you're an elitist" card all you want, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

Are they not doing exactly the same thing? They obviously can't hold a candle to you because their beliefs are flawed while yours are enlightened though, right?
 
I never said anything about what I believe. I didn't pick any single piece in responding. The broad generalized sanctimonious condescension was my target.

You have no idea how blind I might or might not be. What you do appear to know is that you are clearly superior to everyone on this site in terms of your grasp of religion and self awareness. Arguing with any of us who don't share your forearm strength is obviously a waste of your time.

The post count quip is astoundingly clever, inexplicably hurtful and fits almost perfectly into your redundancy tendencies. A perfect signoff if you will. Color me jealous (but remember, as your head expands, that said jealousy springs forth from my utter lack of self awareness or ability to formulate my own opinions).


I never once said anyone on this thread (except for that volsgb or whatever his name is) fell into that category. I never once stated I was superior to anyone. Most of you folks seem fairly intelligent... so if you thought my condescension was directed at everyone else in this thread, I do apologize for that. I'm just talking about the big picture... cynicism exists for a reason. I'm not the only asshat to loath the general population.
 
Are they not doing exactly the same thing? They obviously can't hold a candle to you because their beliefs are flawed while yours are enlightened though, right?

You have a point... but again, I never said anyone had to be a moron to be religious. I suppose if people don't like what I have to say, they can extract the most d**kheaded snippets of text from my quotes and paint me with 'em.

No room to piss and moan on my end, I guess.
 
I never once said anyone on this thread (except for that volsgb or whatever his name is) fell into that category. I never once stated I was superior to anyone. Most of you folks seem fairly intelligent... so if you thought my condescension was directed at everyone else in this thread, I do apologize for that. I'm just talking about the big picture... cynicism exists for a reason. I'm not the only asshat to loath the general population.

I hear you but this...

Anyone here who has thrown any form of criticism at Islam is an effin' moron if they're doing so without having first read the the Qur'an (it's obvious most of you haven't because you seem to think it's called the Kuran).
says otherwise.
 

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