Gun control debate (merged)

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LouderVol said:
they are saying the quiet part out loud.

the government doesn't think rights are rights, they think rights are privileges, and they want to take them all away.
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This whole thing seems like it’s some kind of trial balloon. Like they’re probing the outer defenses.

Just how far can we get declaring an emergency, and then acting unilaterally?
 
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volfanhill said:
I'd say I'm surprised I don't see some of our left leaning friends denouncing this action. But I am not surprised. It's a litmus test. Make no mistake, if folks like LG could, they would round up every privately owned gun in this country all under the guise of "public safety"
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Without question. No more firearms on people’s person, or in their residence.

Probably with a carve out for shotguns and bolt actions at hunting clubs, with a nod and a wink.

“The people can still keep and bear arms”, you see?

They just have to keep and bear them at that State sanctioned lodge.
And the firearms must be registered.
And the ammunition and usages tracked and reported.

“But you’re still free to keep and bear arms. You’re just so much safer now too.”
 
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lawgator1 said:
www.cnn.com

Pennsylvania manhunt updates: Escaped prisoner Danelo Cavalcante spotted again

Authorities are in pursuit of Danelo Cavalcante, a convicted killer who escaped from an eastern Pennsylvania prison on August 31. Follow for live updates on the manhunt.
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Escaped murderer roaming around your area. By all means let's leave a loaded rifle unattended.

Moron.

Hope the gun owner gets some jail time. Need to set an example.
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You want to jail someone for having something stolen???

What kind of law school did you go to?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
You want to jail someone for having something stolen???

What kind of law school did you go to?
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A gun? Left unattended? As there is a killer loose? From prison? And your idiocy is endangering the lives of your neighbors and the police trying to capture him?

Yes. I'd like to see a weekend in the pokey for that. Remind people that society has limits on how much we will tolerate your irresponsible behavior when it puts others in danger.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A gun? Left unattended? As there is a killer loose? From prison? And your idiocy is endangering the lives of your neighbors and the police trying to capture him?

Yes. I'd like to see a weekend in the pokey for that. Remind people that society has limits on how much we will tolerate your irresponsible behavior when it puts others in danger.
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First, it was in his house.

It is people like you, that think like this, that truly scare the hell out of me. Because you will send men with guns to enforce pure lunacy like this on people like me and you truly do not see the monstrosity of it.

It is this kind of thing that leads me to believe we're going to have another throw down in this country one day.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A gun? Left unattended? As there is a killer loose? From prison? And your idiocy is endangering the lives of your neighbors and the police trying to capture him?

Yes. I'd like to see a weekend in the pokey for that. Remind people that society has limits on how much we will tolerate your irresponsible behavior when it puts others in danger.
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A gun in someone’s home can be left wherever they want to leave it. The person should’ve never been here but you support morons who want wide open borders. Should they go to prison for allowing him to come here and kill an American?
 
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lawgator1 said:
A gun? Left unattended? As there is a killer loose? From prison? And your idiocy is endangering the lives of your neighbors and the police trying to capture him?

Yes. I'd like to see a weekend in the pokey for that. Remind people that society has limits on how much we will tolerate your irresponsible behavior when it puts others in danger.
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I’m sure the Governor of New Mexico could come up with some sort of statutory charge.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A gun? Left unattended? As there is a killer loose? From prison? And your idiocy is endangering the lives of your neighbors and the police trying to capture him?

Yes. I'd like to see a weekend in the pokey for that. Remind people that society has limits on how much we will tolerate your irresponsible behavior when it puts others in danger.
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It's amazing how predictable you are. Always looking for that civil litigation aren't you. Scum ambulance chaser.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
First, it was in his house.

It is people like you, that think like this, that truly scare the hell out of me. Because you will send men with guns to enforce pure lunacy like this on people like me and you truly do not see the monstrosity of it.

It is this kind of thing that leads me to believe we're going to have another throw down in this country one day.
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It was in his open garage. He's a freaking idiot.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It was in his open garage. He's a freaking idiot.
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So, guy has a gun in his garage. You have ZERO idea about the circumstances for it being there at that moment and even where it was within the garage.

On the other hand, you think the same government that failed in its duties multiple times leading up to that moment should now arrest, convict and jail him because their failures led to a criminal stealing a gun.

Pretty sure who the idiot is here and it is not the guy whose gun was stolen.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It was in his open garage. He's a freaking idiot.
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so what about the punishments for the government for letting the prisoner go? Thats even more dangerous than a gun laying around. They clearly endangered the public letting a murderer loose. Seems like they should spend time in jail.

what about lawyers who get their violent clients out? They are also endangering society, and based on the reticence rate, its very likely that criminal will continue to do harm. They should be charged for endangering the public. You have already established that just because there is a right to something doesn't clear the individual involved from the acts of said right.

what about the prosecution who messes something up and gets a case dismissed against a violent criminal, it was also their negligence that got the case thrown out and thus a criminal free to continue hurting people?
 
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LouderVol said:
so what about the punishments for the government for letting the prisoner go? Thats even more dangerous than a gun laying around. They clearly endangered the public letting a murderer loose. Seems like they should spend time in jail.

what about lawyers who get their violent clients out? They are also endangering society, and based on the reticence rate, its very likely that criminal will continue to do harm. They should be charged for endangering the public. You have already established that just because there is a right to something doesn't clear the individual involved from the acts of said right.

what about the prosecution who messes something up and gets a case dismissed against a violent criminal, it was also their negligence that got the case thrown out and thus a criminal free to continue hurting people?
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Those analogies fail at every level. Horribly.

The prison: First, they undertook to prevent his escape. That they failed does not render them liable for every bad act he commits. If it were otherwise, jails and prisons would be liable every time such occurred and the law does not recognize a duty to the public on the whole for this. (Trust me, this is my area of practice for 25 years, I know whereof I speak). Second, the fundamental difference is that the homeowner left a loaded gun in an open garage ALREADY KNOWING there was a risk posed.

Defense lawyers and prosecutors: They have absolute immunity for acting in such capacities. Again, if it were otherwise the system would not work.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Those analogies fail at every level. Horribly.

The prison: First, they undertook to prevent his escape. That they failed does not render them liable for every bad act he commits. If it were otherwise, jails and prisons would be liable every time such occurred and the law does not recognize a duty to the public on the whole for this. (Trust me, this is my area of practice for 25 years, I know whereof I speak). Second, the fundamental difference is that the homeowner left a loaded gun in an open garage ALREADY KNOWING
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he tried to stop the robber/murderer too, he shot at the guy, if using lethal force doesn't constitute trying to stop a robber I don't know what does. That he failed does not render him liable for every bad act the criminal commits.

the underlined part is straight up scary, and puts the truth to your lie that any of this is about protecting the public. you would rather stop law abiding citizens rather than criminals. In your own words you are saying the government should be focused on punishing a law abiding citizen more than a criminal.

and if they were so terrible you would be able to explain why, instead of deflecting. in all of those cases, including this gun owner, they are hypothetically responsible for a danger to the public, and through their own actions lead to the public being less safe than they otherwise would be if they hadn't taken the specified action. You just don't want to admit it because it destroys your argument, and also puts you in the crosshairs of the very standard you want to unjustly create.

I keep saying it, until/unless you are willing to apply any gun control measure to all the other rights, you are proving that they are bad intentions and likely unconstitutional.
 
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LouderVol said:
he tried to stop the robber/murderer too, he shot at the guy, if using lethal force doesn't constitute trying to stop a robber I don't know what does. That he failed does not render him liable for every bad act the criminal commits.

the underlined part is straight up scary, and puts the truth to your lie that any of this is about protecting the public. you would rather stop law abiding citizens rather than criminals. In your own words you are saying the government should be focused on punishing a law abiding citizen more than a criminal.

and if they were so terrible you would be able to explain why, instead of deflecting. in all of those cases, including this gun owner, they are hypothetically responsible for a danger to the public, and through their own actions lead to the public being less safe than they otherwise would be if they hadn't taken the specified action. You just don't want to admit it because it destroys your argument, and also puts you in the crosshairs of the very standard you want to unjustly create.

I keep saying it, until/unless you are willing to apply any gun control measure to all the other rights, you are proving that they are bad intentions and likely unconstitutional.
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He left an unattended gun in an open garage.

Something needs to happen to him as a lesson to others to be more responsible in the future.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He left an unattended gun in an open garage.

Something needs to happen to him as a lesson to others to be more responsible in the future.
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and why not the prison? Shouldn't they be a lesson to others to not let prisoners escape?

Oh wait, you said prisons aren't responsible to protect the public. so the government shouldn't protect the citizens, but the citizens should?

Just like cops don't have a duty to protect the public. I hope you enjoy your Parkland situations where the cops can get away with letting us die. keep pretending like you are protecting the good guys. their is not one iota of responsibility on the governments part to protect the citizens. which just circles back to what we have all been saying. its not about safety, because the government doesn't have that responsibility, its about control.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He left an unattended gun in an open garage.

Something needs to happen to him as a lesson to others to be more responsible in the future.
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I’ve got more sharp , pointed , heavy , blunt killing devices in my garage unsecured, than I do in my house . If I leave my garage open and some criminals from the next county over steals an axe , three knives a chain saw and a sledgehammer, goes on a killing spree ..I should go to jail or be fined for putting the community at risk ? Your mind is twisted so far left I’m shocked you can walk straight .
 
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