Gun control debate (merged)

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McDad said:
I am as constitutional as the next guy. America has a mental health issue. People who are not of sound mind do not enjoy full rights. Knowing how and when mentally unwell people are ready to be empowered with full rights and when those are to be restricted is exceptionally complex.

You're questions are valid wrt to how much time before re-empowerment. My off the cuff answer is every single case is different. A single standard is likely not a good idea. And since every case is different, fallible and corruptible humans would have to be put in charge of decided each case on its own factors. Not a good system.
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I agree there is no real one size fits all solution. for me, unless there is enough threat where you have to be removed from society and incarcerated, whether that is jail or an asylum, your rights shouldn't be restricted. and I think once you are freed from either, your full rights are restored. otherwise what is the point of letting you go? that way you are either letting the justice system run its course, or you are trusting to the medical professionals.

I have always wanted to see an equality of rights, any requirement/restriction/limit on one, is the same for every right. If someone is a problem they are a problem across the board, not just in one particular area.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Who said you had to? You been in an asylum? It's ridiculous in the 21st century that that man could make that process in a transaction that was roughly equivalent to buying a box of Sudafed.
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So which was it? A private purchase with zero checks of any kind. Or a purchase from a FFL dealer? I only ask because you have to provide identification to purchase Sudafed and, presumably, the data base checks how recently you purchased the product.
 
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MurphyVol said:
How is it a punishment to require a legal gun owner to only sell to someone that has had a background check? The legal gun owner already has the gun.
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you are telling them what they can do with their private property in a private exchange, likely on private property. you are also putting a time requirement on the sell, and inducing a cost of running said background check.

I have no problem if the people involved in a private purchase CHOOSE to do a background check thru a third party, but its not the government's business.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are telling them what they can do with their private property in a private exchange, likely on private property. you are also putting a time requirement on the sell, and inducing a cost of running said background check.

I have no problem if the people involved in a private purchase CHOOSE to do a background check thru a third party, but its not the government's business.
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There are restrictions on all kinds of private property transactions. Try transferring real estate in most states without an attorney.

My background check at the guns store was remarkably quick. There are 59,000 gun shops in America capable of running a background check (compared to 13,000 McDonalds). 99% of Americans live within 10 miles of a gun store
 
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LouderVol said:
I agree there is no real one size fits all solution. for me, unless there is enough threat where you have to be removed from society and incarcerated, whether that is jail or an asylum, your rights shouldn't be restricted. and I think once you are freed from either, your full rights are restored.
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I agree with the bold in the abstract but not in application. I look at the homeless population as an example of how I see it. Many homeless are struggling with mental health issues. The hard part with some mental illness is that the person is highly functional and sane while on meds. But when they are in that pharmaceutically-balanced state, they decide they no longer need meds. So, they go through these massive swings between wellness and disease. Those types of situations having access to firearms should be very sobering to us all.
 
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MurphyVol said:
There are restrictions on all kinds of private property transactions. Try transferring real estate in most states without an attorney.

My background check at the guns store was remarkably quick. There are 59,000 gun shops in America capable of running a background check (compared to 13,000 McDonalds). 99% of Americans live within 10 miles of a gun store
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I’ve done it a few times without an attorney. Pretty easy actually.

Then use the gun store for a BGC next time you sell a gun, nothing is stopping you from doing that.
 
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hog88 said:
I’ve done it a few times without an attorney. Pretty easy actually.

Then use the gun store for a BGC next time you sell a gun, nothing is stopping you from doing that.
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If I ever do a sale, You can be assured I would. Unfortunately most do not. Along with theft, this is how most criminals get their hands on guns.
 
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MurphyVol said:
There are restrictions on all kinds of private property transactions. Try transferring real estate in most states without an attorney.

My background check at the guns store was remarkably quick. There are 59,000 gun shops in America capable of running a background check (compared to 13,000 McDonalds). 99% of Americans live within 10 miles of a gun store
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doesn't matter what the time is, you are still restricting it, which is a punishment.
 
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