Gun control debate (merged)

[kiddiedoc]

CBS special report says that the incident was a dispute and not terrorism. Two of the suspects are juveniles.

Over a chess game, or something else? Wonder what could have caused such a ruckus...

 

[kiddiedoc]

If I ever do a sale, You can be assured I would. Unfortunately most do not. Along with theft, this is how most criminals get their hands on guns.

So, most criminals already get their weapons ILLEGALLY, but we need more gun laws that would infringe on the rights of non-criminals?

Are you really following your own thinking?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here's a thought:

Since most guns involved in violent crimes are not retrieved, we should focus on bullet registration. We could require any bullet purchasers to be microchipped, and bullets could have chips too, which could be registered to the purchaser.

FYI: That's about as feasible as a "national gun registry. "

 

[Vol737]

I’m with you 100%, we should abolish social security too!

That’s gonna take care of itself in about 10 years.

 

[Vol737]

I promise you could’ve had more money than the government is giving you if you had a private retirement fund with the same contributions the IRS forcibly takes from yoh.

Don’t disagree, problem is we’re paying for people in retirement now. Generation(s) behind us will paying our SS tab. That’s why we have no say in the matter. 2033 the “trust fund” runs dry without any changes. Everyone gets an automatic 25% haircut on the run dry day as our projected inflows will only support 75% of expected outflows. What follows remains to be seen. Anyway…back to the gun issue.

 

[LouderVol]

Assault rifle or long gun?

depends on who is carrying it.

 

[sonofUT62]

I’m sure it was gang related - the vast, overwhelming majority of “mass shootings”

We like Blue!! So we targeted everyone wearing red…….at a Chiefs parade.

 

[turbovol]

 

[GroverCleveland]

CBS special report says that the incident was a dispute and not terrorism. Two of the suspects are juveniles.

Cannot believe we do not have a law against juveniles owning guns.

 

[GroverCleveland]

(Sigh) If you knew anything about the subject matter, you would know this is bogus.

 

[volfanhill]

Sometimes people pose hypothetical contradictions. Like, what happens when a irresistable force meets an unmovable object, or, if toast always lands butter side down and cats land on their feet what happens when you fix toast butter side up to the back of a cat.
So, in like manner, if a responsible gun owner moved to an arid desert would water appear so they would lose their guns?

California's drought issues suddenly makes perfect sense

 

[hndog609]

(Sigh) If you knew anything about the subject matter, you would know this is bogus.

I don't do X. Are the comments lighting the moron up about the actual under 18 laws in KS?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Idiotic response. Has it not occurred to you that nearly all of the people who murder people with guns were "law-abiding gun owners"
prior to committing their crimes? Apparently not--as that would require you to think. The Las Vegas shooter who killed 67 and wounded
more than 200 was a "law-abiding gun owner" before checking into that hotel and opening fire. Has it occurred to you that there are probably millions of Americans walking around with troubles or mental-health issues of one kind or another---depression, drug or alcohol addiction, anger issues, chilid-custody fights, nervous breakdown, lost job....on and on..and on?

Most of the people with mental issues in America don't even get diagnosed, much less treated. And a lot of people starting having life problems, they build over time, and they snap--and the snapping includes opening fire with guns. And if you make gun ownership very easy in a country full of people with problems, you, as states and a nation, are being grossly stupid and irresponsible. So the "I'm a law-abiding gun owner" argument doesn't mean squat--because tomorrow you might not be. But one would need to think to understand that.....

So you agree with him. It's not the guns, it's the people. You are finally making sense.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Of course it is. As recently as my childhood, it was common for families to keep guns unlocked, and not long before that you could drive around with them and keep them in your truck at school.

What's changed? Don't feed me this BS "access to guns." That's the answer of a damn liar who is afraid to admit that the policies he supports are to blame.

Took my shotty to HS regularly and went squirrel, rabbit and dove hunting after school. Never thought about shooting anyone. Would have liked to kick a couple of the big aholes in the nuts but shoot them, not a thought.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I don't do X. Are the comments lighting the moron up about the actual under 18 laws in KS?

I didn't read it. Did a cursory look into MO laws to make sure I wasn't crazy, but the laws are like other states. Seems there was a fuss about 14yo crossing public lands and it had to do with the hunting traditions in rural areas. Surprise, surprise a Democrat in the state did not understand that.

 

[VolTull]

So you push a piss poor system to enable a nanny state?

What?

 

[VolTull]

You give me all the SS back that I've paid in and you can call me every year starting with my 62nd B-day.

Ain't happening, call your Congressman.

 

[VolTull]

Why? He is right. When I was his age I spent a good bit of time trying to figure how to get out from under the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security. And I am 62 even more pissed about it.

Enjoy your anger. You deserve at least that.

 

[VolTull]

If he saves responsibly, in addition to his mandatory SS contributions, he probably will not have a different outlook at 62 or any age thereafter.

Chances that he is going to save responsibly? Low. Two reasons, Americans have shown very little proclivity to do so and 2) you have to have a lot of disposable income to afford saving squat.

 

[85SugarVol]

What?

You said people couldn’t be trusted to do it on their own. You “know too many folks” -

So would I but I know way too many folks who do not, have not, the financial and discipline capabilities to do so.

So you would rather perpetuate a piss poor system to protect the inept. A nanny state mechanism.

 

[Vol737]

Chances that he is going to save responsibly? Low. Two reasons, Americans have shown very little proclivity to do so and 2) you have to have a lot of disposable income to afford saving squat.

Or live below your means, which is what gets a lot of people who had plenty of disposable income… and they sure disposed of it. Discipline is probably the biggest factor.

 

[VolTull]

You said people couldn’t be trusted to do it on their own. You “know too many folks” -



So you would rather perpetuate a piss poor system to protect the inept. A nanny state mechanism.

If you say...

 

[McDad]

Or live below your means, which is what gets a lot of people who had plenty of disposable income… and they sure disposed of it. Discipline is probably the biggest factor.

For Pete's sake, if that's the worry continue to force the deduction from payroll as we do with SS and allow ppl to invest in safe options like S&P 500 index funds

 

[Vol737]

For Pete's sake, if that's the worry continue to force the deduction from payroll as we do with SS and allow ppl to invest in safe options like S&P 500 index funds

Can you imagine how big that pot of money would be today if they had done just that? But people like “guarantees”, I guess. Best investing opportunity ever was in the middle of the financial crisis. Dow rolled back to 6000…and look at it today.

 

[85SugarVol]

If you say...

No. You said. I just repeated it for you.