Half Of Americans Expect A Second U.S. Civil War Within Years. More Than 40% Agree With The Great Replacement Theory.

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hndog609 said:
I'll ask a very simple question and hope it will elicit a very simple answer.

In what way are firearms laws in any way different standing outside a gun show than inside a gun show? Please explain the mechanism where a sale that would be illegal anywhere else becomes legal merely by stepping through the door to a show.
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It is the facility of the sale in question here of course. The facility is given to congregate these weapons in one place for the convenience of a buyer who btw often wishes to purchase a weapon of choice without having to go through a dealer and a background check. It’s not every private house you can go to and pick up an assault rifle, the gun show loophole facilitates by bringing these weapons to a central “sales point” without the need for background checks.
 
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Rooster1 said:
It is the facility of the sale in question here of course. The facility is given to congregate these weapons in one place for the convenience of a buyer who btw often wishes to purchase a weapon of choice without having to go through a dealer and a background check. It’s not every private house you can go to and pick up an assault rifle, the gun show loophole facilitates by bringing these weapons to a central “sales point” without the need for background checks.
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What is that?
 
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Rooster1 said:
It is the facility of the sale in question here of course. The facility is given to congregate these weapons in one place for the convenience of a buyer who btw often wishes to purchase a weapon of choice without having to go through a dealer and a background check. It’s not every private house you can go to and pick up an assault rifle, the gun show loophole facilitates by bringing these weapons to a central “sales point” without the need for background checks.
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So it's a flee market where private sales between individuals take place?
 
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Rooster1 said:
Again:

Before obtaining a destructive device, the buyer needs an FEP. The permit is issued by the FFLC, which is a department of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The permits are primarily used for the sale of large fireworks for individuals that plan on using the fireworks for a public display. Civilians are unlikely to obtain an FEP for an operational cannon or machine gun without demonstrating a specific use, such as a controlled historical reenactment or research.
Federal explosives licenses (FELs) are typically only issued to manufacturers, importers, and dealers to facilitate the sale of operational tanks.”
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You are conflating two different things. Can Joe citizen walk into a gun shop and just plunk down the money and stroll out with a legally owned machine gun? No...but can a person go through the process of obtaining one? Absolutely. I recently handled (and was shown how to operate the belt loader for) a full auto M1919 Browning.

Also.

 
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hog88 said:
So it's a flee market where private sales between individuals take place?
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That is how it is marketed. In reality, when you attend the gun show, you see many vendors set up as private sellers that have large selections of assault style weapons for ”private” sale. No background check required.
 
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hndog609 said:
You are conflating two different things. Can Joe citizen walk into a gun shop and just plunk down the money and stroll out with a legally owned machine gun? No...but can a person go through the process of obtaining one? Absolutely. I recently handled (and was shown how to operate the belt loader for) a full auto M1919 Browning.

Also.

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If the cannon on the tank is operational (has not been decommissioned) a citizen will not get a permit to legally own, simple as that.
 
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Rooster1 said:
You refuse to look at the laws in place and focus instead on those trying to sell or advertise such sales, however, a civilian will not receive a permit to own an operational tank, cannon (pre 1862 muzzle loaded exempted I believe), military machine gun, anti tank weapon etc etc
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Holy crap dude, read the NFA. It's not hard (just expensive) to purchase a machine gun or tank or cannon.

Hell, you can buy a fully operational fighter jet if you have the cash.

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Rooster1 said:
You cannot own an operable tank, which I clearly stated. You also cannot own an operable cannon, or a military style machine gun, like an M60, nor can you own any weapon deemed manufactured for warfare. Now, a semi automatic assault rifle is the question here, which most (over 65%) of the nation feels should be classified as such since it serves that purpose well but is not needed for any other purpose that a handgun, hunting rifle or shotgun does not already fill. The assault rifle is uniquely suited for killing lots of things very quickly, like kids quite often.

Right now, anybody can buy one of these weapons at a trade show with no background check. Does that sound like a good policy to anyone? Should 18 year old kids who cannot even legally drink be allowed to buy these weapons with almost no background check? Is that a sound policy? We are trying to discuss reasonable and sensible laws to make this country safer, seems to me everybody would be on board with that.
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False
 
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Rooster1 said:
It is the facility of the sale in question here of course. The facility is given to congregate these weapons in one place for the convenience of a buyer who btw often wishes to purchase a weapon of choice without having to go through a dealer and a background check. It’s not every private house you can go to and pick up an assault rifle, the gun show loophole facilitates by bringing these weapons to a central “sales point” without the need for background checks.
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You have not, in any way shape or form. described a "loophole".

For instance, firearms have long been advertised in local classified adds. Is that a "loophole"?

Something is legal or it isn't. This "facilitation" you speak of is insufficient to invoke a legal definition of loophole unless one is trying to trying to subvert the functional meaning.
 
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Rooster1 said:
That is how it is marketed. In reality, when you attend the gun show, you see many vendors set up as private sellers that have large selections of assault style weapons for ”private” sale. No background check required.
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That is not true and they would risk their business and license selling like that. There are private sales and there are dealers who do checks
 
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hndog609 said:
It appears he's dropped the machine gun argument so there's that at least. (And I'm really looking forward to cutting loose on that 1919)
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No, not backtracking on anything btw.

Civilians cannot own a tank with operational guns or explosives unless they have a Federal Destructive Device permit or license. However, permits are rarely issued for the private use of active tanks. The National Firearms Act (NFA) regulates the sale of destructive devices and several other categories of guns, including machine guns.
 
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Rooster1 said:
No, not backtracking on anything btw.

Civilians cannot own a tank with operational guns or explosives unless they have a Federal Destructive Device permit or license. However, permits are rarely issued for the private use of active tanks. The National Firearms Act (NFA) regulates the sale of destructive devices and several other categories of guns, including machine guns.
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"sigh" So bottom line is:

AT BEST you can't reconcile what "can" be done with what is "rarely" permitted regarding certain items.

And actually avoided altogether the machine gun issue, which interestingly was the only thing mentioned in my post to which you just replied.
 
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Rooster1 said:
No, not backtracking on anything btw.

Civilians cannot own a tank with operational guns or explosives unless they have a Federal Destructive Device permit or license. However, permits are rarely issued for the private use of active tanks. The National Firearms Act (NFA) regulates the sale of destructive devices and several other categories of guns, including machine guns.
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Can you give us a link from the ATF or other .gov entity proving this?
 
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Rooster1 said:
Some things never change. The last time around it was the CSA states trying to preserve slavery and selling it as a ” State’s rights” issue. This time it is a party working to preserve their future and who is in charge within a changing demographic landscape and selling it as a Patriotism issue.

The last time a bunch of states voted to dump the nation and break off to start a new country where they could keep slavery. This time it is a party willing to do anything to keep power and that includes choosing politics over Nation once again.

If the 1/6 commission does nothing else but dent Trump’s odds at becoming POTUS again it has done this nation a major service, for that man has shown the world he will stop at nothing to retain power and that includes purposely inciting a riot against our Capital and our Democracy by perpetuating his Big Lie.
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Are you saying you’d support violent action if a state tried to leave the union today?
 
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