Has the concept of dressing professional in public service jobs been completely discarded now?

[allvol123]

All I'm saying is if I took my young son in the shop and he saw her shirt and asked me "Dad, what is a salty bitch?" I would be none too appreciative towards the establishment for me having to answer that question. I never honestly thought we'd get to a point where the acceptability of basic vulgar language at a public service-oriented business would even be a debate.

I agree with you.

Not knowing the establishment I can’t really say if it is poor management or proper management that just has lesser standards than you.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I agree with you.

Not knowing the establishment I can’t really say if it is poor management or proper management that just has lesser standards than you.

You would think that if you ran a business that catered to families/children, the standards would be of the highest order. It's not like we walked into an adult bookstore or Spencers.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

It's interesting to me that the labor shortage topic didn't seem (at least to me, anecdotally) like a huge deal prior to COVID. In 2019, prior to COVID I never saw fast food restaurants closing at 2:00 because they had no help. I never saw sit down restaurants closing off entire sections of their establishment because they had no one to wait tables. This phenomenon only started after COVID. So, if you say this is a population crisis issue, why did it only seem to manifest itself AFTER COVID?

On average there are 10k boomers retiring every day. Covid dramatically increased those numbers. We're at the lowest job participation rate in 45 years. So you've had millions of people leave the job market, less senior workers have replaced them (or the jobs have been eliminated), and there's not enough supply at the bottom of the pool to fill these holes.

 

[allvol123]

You would think that if you ran a business that catered to families/children, the standards would be of the highest order. It's not like we walked into an adult bookstore or Spencers.

True. But no one has to venture far from home to see the decay in this culture. Your story is an example.

 

[hog88]

All I'm saying is if I took my young son in the shop and he saw her shirt and asked me "Dad, what is a salty bitch?" I would be none too appreciative towards the establishment for me having to answer that question. I never honestly thought we'd get to a point where the acceptability of basic vulgar language at a public service-oriented business would even be a debate.

Would your answer be “you know how your mom acts when I come home late from the bar”

 

[Go aeiou]

True. But no one has to venture far from home to see the decay in this culture. Your story is an example.

or the doing away with ridiculous dress codes. OTOH, ice cream shops, and other food establishments often fail.
Of course just my opinion, but I think the decay of our culture has much to do with the rejection of education. Free public education put us ahead of the rest of the world.

 

[allvol123]

or the doing away with ridiculous dress codes. OTOH, ice cream shops, and other food establishments often fail.
Of course just my opinion, but I think the decay of our culture has much to do with the rejection of education. Free public education put us ahead of the rest of the world.

Some dress codes are not ridiculous. It is a signal to a customer that an employee is present and that the company has decided this is the standard.

Chick Fil A and on a local level Cruze Farm seem to being doing quite well using uniforms.

In the example in this thread the operator may have lost the business of the person that started this thread. Simply because they couldn’t effectively manage such a simple issue. Heck, in this case, a standard uniform was not required to please the customer. He just wanted attire without curse words on it and that covered her rear end.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Some dress codes are not ridiculous. It is a signal to a customer that an employee is present and that the company has decided this is the standard.

Chick Fil A and on a local level Cruze Farm seem to being doing quite well using uniforms.

In the example in this thread the operator may have lost the business of the person that started this thread. Simply because they couldn’t effectively manage such a simple issue. Heck, in this case, a standard uniform was not required to please the customer. He just wanted attire without curse words on it and that covered her rear end.

Ha! Exactly! It's not like I was expecting my ice cream to be served by someone in a tuxedo. But can we at least expect a level of standards and professionalism that disallows employees to have their ass cheeks hangin out and the word "Bitch" on their clothing? I feel like the spectrum here is pretty wide and somewhere in the middle isn't too much to ask for.

 

[n_huffhines]

Precisely the scene I thought of when I replied.

Didn't know you were a fan. Which member of the gang are you? There is no good answer and my answer is Dennis.

 

[McDad]

Didn't know you were a fan. Which member of the gang are you? There is no good answer and my answer is Dennis.

I haven't watched any episode. I've only seen that clip as a gif.

Many people have told me I would like it. But I choose to resist.

 

[n_huffhines]

I haven't watched any episode. I've only seen that clip as a gif.

Many people have told me I would like it. But I choose to resist.

Well, **** you then.

 

[GordonC]

Not as much of a dress code issue but I'll share with a story from a "cashier" we had last night at the local DQ

Cashier: That'll be $15.76 please (At least she was polite)
Me: *Getting out my wallet and a $20 bill*
Cashier: Oh....your not using a card?? *Confused look on her face*
Me: No
Cashier: Uh...uh....uh...ok......I'll have to get someone to make change....I don't know how too
Me: Uh...ok
** Another employee comes over and makes the correct change and hands it to the original cashier**
Cashier: Sorry, I don't know how to make change at all.....There should be an app for that on your phone! **She says all happy**
Me: There is, it's called a calculator

This girl was probably in the 18-22 age range. Dear Lord

and probably was/is an honors math student in skoo

 

[n_huffhines]

@McDad can you change this right here to say "Not a fan of Always Sunny" so that there will be no more confusion

 

[Go aeiou]

Some dress codes are not ridiculous. It is a signal to a customer that an employee is present and that the company has decided this is the standard.

Chick Fil A and on a local level Cruze Farm seem to being doing quite well using uniforms.

In the example in this thread the operator may have lost the business of the person that started this thread. Simply because they couldn’t effectively manage such a simple issue. Heck, in this case, a standard uniform was not required to please the customer. He just wanted attire without curse words on it and that covered her rear end.

I was actually thinking about my own career as an accountant/auditor/CPA. In the 70's we wore suits, and called them" the official business man's uniform"(like chick fil-a). Things change. By the mid 80's I seldom saw professionals other than Attys wearing suits.
I worked primarily with Accountants, engineers, chemist, etc.

In this case I suspect the owner was too cheap to buy T shirts or his business was struggling. Some business people think a business will run itself. I could give examples for days. Many people only see $ signs when they go into business.

 

[Wireless1]

Perhaps her shorts were supposed to be a distraction from you reading the shirt. I'll also guess she gets more tips wearing those shorts than the days she doesn't.....and I'll also guess you didn't really fit her target demographic market.....

 

[OldandStillaVol]

Dress has become more casual across most jobs; not just the public service sector. I am attending a professional society meeting right now; 90% of attendees work in government, industry or are academic faculty.

Forty years ago at the same meetings, all men wore at least business shirts and ties. Twenty years ago, ties disappeared but men still dressed business casual. Today, maybe 50% of men are business casual but now there are short pants, t shirts, ripped jeans, jogging pants being worn. Maybe the pandemic plays a role and people dress more casually because they work remotely? Incidentally, my impression is that it is the men who are dressing down; women are still at least business casual; no shorts seen in women.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Perhaps her shorts were supposed to be a distraction from you reading the shirt. I'll also guess she gets more tips wearing those shorts than the days she doesn't.....and I'll also guess you didn't really fit her target demographic market.....

It's an ice cream shop. The target demographic is everybody, short of those who are lactose intolerant.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

We could really clear up this whole debate if the OP had just taken a pic for us to judge......Lesson learned for the next time.

 

[Big Orange#1]

It's interesting to me that the labor shortage topic didn't seem (at least to me, anecdotally) like a huge deal prior to COVID. In 2019, prior to COVID I never saw fast food restaurants closing at 2:00 because they had no help. I never saw sit down restaurants closing off entire sections of their establishment because they had no one to wait tables. This phenomenon only started after COVID. So, if you say this is a population crisis issue, why did it only seem to manifest itself AFTER COVID?

Government spending was a huge part, but the child tax credit and stimulus is gone so that can’t be the sole cause for a continuing labor shortage.
U.S. population growth has nearly flatlined, new census data shows
2020 was the slowest population growth in United States history so that has to be a part of it. Obviously there’s got to be multiple reasons for a global worker shortage. But the population pyramid being the highest weighted towards elderly and retired in the history of humanity has to contribute a lot.

 

[Big Orange#1]

It's interesting to me that the labor shortage topic didn't seem (at least to me, anecdotally) like a huge deal prior to COVID. In 2019, prior to COVID I never saw fast food restaurants closing at 2:00 because they had no help. I never saw sit down restaurants closing off entire sections of their establishment because they had no one to wait tables. This phenomenon only started after COVID. So, if you say this is a population crisis issue, why did it only seem to manifest itself AFTER COVID?

New Report Says ‘Demographic Drought’ Will Worsen Labor Shortage Crisis
Good read as well

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Dress has become more casual across most jobs; not just the public service sector. I am attending a professional society meeting right now; 90% of attendees work in government, industry or are academic faculty.

Forty years ago at the same meetings, all men wore at least business shirts and ties. Twenty years ago, ties disappeared but men still dressed business casual. Today, maybe 50% of men are business casual but now there are short pants, t shirts, ripped jeans, jogging pants being worn. Maybe the pandemic plays a role and people dress more casually because they work remotely? Incidentally, my impression is that it is the men who are dressing down; women are still at least business casual; no shorts seen in women.

My company has a uniform that is worn by both the men and the women in all departments. I am actually very much in favor of it. It eliminates any guess work as to what is considered appropriate/inappropriate and it's frankly liberating not having to think or worry about what I'm going to wear to work.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Government spending was a huge part, but the child tax credit and stimulus is gone so that can’t be the sole cause for a continuing labor shortage.
U.S. population growth has nearly flatlined, new census data shows
2020 was the slowest population growth in United States history so that has to be a part of it. Obviously there’s got to be multiple reasons for a global worker shortage. But the population pyramid being the highest weighted towards elderly and retired in the history of humanity has to contribute a lot.

What's funny is they had anticipated a pandemic boom of children being born with everybody stuck at home. However, this did not happen. Of course, the biggest difference now vs the original baby boom generation is the fact that we have birth control now.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

My company has a uniform that is worn by both the men and the women in all departments. I am actually very much in favor of it. It eliminates any guess work as to what is considered appropriate/inappropriate and it's frankly liberating not having to think or worry about what I'm going to wear to work.

Interesting. What industry are you in? Is the uniform casual like a company polo shirt and khaki pants? Or something more formal?

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Interesting. What industry are you in? Is the uniform casual like a company polo shirt and khaki pants? Or something more formal?

Its manufacturing. However I work in accounting. The pants are grey business casual. The shirts are navy blue. We were offered the choice of either polo style or button down long/short sleeve.

 

[YankeeVol]

The money is already cut off. One of the issues is our aging workforce. Also add in automation, gig economy, etc and service jobs are just not attractive. On top of that they have to deal with the general public who for the most part truly sucks. $10/hr to scoop ice cream to a bunch of Karen's and their brats? Sounds like a hoot

The aging workforce isn't the issue. It's their lack of parenting and the little s***s that are "work age" now. They're lazy and entitled.