Hate to beat a dead horse but...

[KingtUT]

WRs that dont run their routes arent helping Worley any

Please , stop with this pathetic excuse. It's sad.

 

[508mikey]

There's no horse left, its remains are bbq down in alabama. But i digress there will be at least ten more i don't want to bash our qb but here goes threads. I believe eveyone knows how most of you feel. Guess what he is still going to be our qb Saturday. GBO!

The deadhorse is actually a jackass the cause of the mess -- Dooley

 

[sjt18]

I'll give him all but .00000000000001% of the blame for our poor offensive execution.

And you would be 99.99999999999999% wrong.

Worley isn't playing great however he HAS listened to his coaching and DID do what they asked him to do on Saturday. Multiple times Jones has said that Worley needed to stop waiting for receivers to come open and start throwing to where they are supposed to be. On at least two throws intended for North, Worley threw to where he expected North to be and then got blamed for sailing one 15 yards over his head.

One of the picks was all on him. The one to Pig triple covered- he just read that wrong.

One was a tip but I could not tell who he was throwing to that was open so that one is probably him too.

The short one intended for Pig was on Pig based on the reaction of Jones who blew a gasket when Howard came back to the sideline. You could read his lips screaming "Finish your route!!!" North got "coached up" a couple of times in similar fashion.

On one critical play, Smith let one bounce right off his chest. That could have been the 1st down that sustained the drive that put the game out of reach.

I'm not "blaming" the receivers either. They're all trying AND THEY ARE getting better as a unit. Worley is taking more chances and by doing so is exposing more of the problems that keep the passing game from becoming good. If all he ever did was throw the safe stuff.... it would not become a threat to the better teams.

These are the growing pains that come with progress.


That said, neither Worley nor the receivers had anything to do with the fake FG, illegal procedure, or botched hold that made the game closer than it should have been. They had nothing to do with the soft coverage that gave USA an opportunity to drive the ball.

The offense did NOT play poorly AT ALL. Yes, 31 pts should have been 45 pts.... but 24 pts should have been more like 7 or 17 at the most.

 

[gunner]

Whoa, whoa, whoa big fella. Slow that train down cause its a dead end ahead. That's a whole lot of wishful thinking right there.

I agree he did look good, but so have most of the other QB's that UT has faced this season! UT has a bad habit of making unnamed, and unknown QB's look All World.

I hope the Vols don't turn the Georgia QB into a Heisman Trophey Canidate on Saturday.

 

[KingtUT]

And you would be 99.99999999999999% wrong.

Worley isn't playing great however he HAS listened to his coaching and DID do what they asked him to do on Saturday. Multiple times Jones has said that Worley needed to stop waiting for receivers to come open and start throwing to where they are supposed to be. On at least two throws intended for North, Worley threw to where he expected North to be and then got blamed for sailing one 15 yards over his head.

One of the picks was all on him. The one to Pig triple covered- he just read that wrong.

One was a tip but I could not tell who he was throwing to that was open so that one is probably him too.

The short one intended for Pig was on Pig based on the reaction of Jones who blew a gasket when Howard came back to the sideline. You could read his lips screaming "Finish your route!!!" North got "coached up" a couple of times in similar fashion.

On one critical play, Smith let one bounce right off his chest. That could have been the 1st down that sustained the drive that put the game out of reach.

I'm not "blaming" the receivers either. They're all trying AND THEY ARE getting better as a unit. Worley is taking more chances and by doing so is exposing more of the problems that keep the passing game from becoming good. If all he ever did was throw the safe stuff.... it would not become a threat to the better teams.

These are the growing pains that come with progress.


That said, neither Worley nor the receivers had anything to do with the fake FG, illegal procedure, or botched hold that made the game closer than it should have been. They had nothing to do with the soft coverage that gave USA an opportunity to drive the ball.

The offense did NOT play poorly AT ALL. Yes, 31 pts should have been 45 pts.... but 24 pts should have been more like 7 or 17 at the most.

I don't disagree that there are other issues that make our offense look less than spectacular but to try and say the QB play isn't at least 90% of the problem is just silly. CBJ keeps mentioning the wr's in a futile attempt to take some of the heat off of Worley. If your buying into it, I got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona. It's that simple.

 

[photovol]

I'm afraid getting a good QB still won't make us an average team, we need much more than just a QB. Try watching the S.Alabama, Florida or Oregon game again and it may become aparent.

 

[KingtUT]

It's crystal clear what our biggest problem is.

 

[volsfansince4387]

Everyone is off right now. Worley isn't playing well, but he's hardly 100% of the problem.

Not to be rude but I call bulls***.

The offense revolves around a solid QB. If the defense knows before the game even STARTS that your QB poses no threat, load the box and stomp the running game.

The defense is much improved, but they can only do so much when we are punting 45 seconds after they just got off the field.

Yeah some WR's had some drops here and there but that's in EVERY football game period.

If you go look at the stat's you will see Marcus Mariota is ranked 1 spot higher than Worley in completion percentage. Key difference is that Mariota has thrown no picks, and Worley has thrown 6 (T-7th in nation).

We are ranked 35th in rushing, 60th in scoring, and 74th in defense (even after the Oregon beatdown).

We are ranked 112th in passing. In perspective, we are beyond dead last in the SEC. Hell, only the likes of Army, Air Force, and Navy have comparable passing attacks.

 

[LWSVOL]

We are a good qb away from being a better than average team. Just got a chance to watch the South Alabama game and the consistency of Worley's inconsistency is amazing. I don't want to hear any excuses about wr's being young. The may be young but they still get wide open occasionally and he can't get the ball to them. I won't go through all his misses but he missed two wide open receivers in the first quarter and threw two picks in the end zone. This game is a blow out with average QB play. This is not meant to be a bash Worley thread but more of a we're only a qb away from being a much better team thread. The two freshman will be ready when the time is right, until then let's chill out and remember all that goes along with poor QB play. It makes it harder on all facets of the game.

would take more than that.. unless you consider good a chance at 6 wins.. a good QB might get them to 6...

as Butch has been saying, the margin of error for this team is very small. They played almost perfect games against Peay and Western, few penalties and no turnovers. they won big. it becomes more difficult to play perfect in conference play.

can keep games close if we play with turnovers or penalties this next month. But if we make mistakes, really opens up opportunities for a big score against us

 

[KingtUT]

Not to be rude but I call bulls***.

The offense revolves around a solid QB. If the defense knows before the game even STARTS that your QB poses no threat, load the box and stomp the running game.

The defense is much improved, but they can only do so much when we are punting 45 seconds after they just got off the field.

Yeah some WR's had some drops here and there but that's in EVERY football game period.

If you go look at the stat's you will see Marcus Mariota is ranked 1 spot higher than Worley in completion percentage. Key difference is that Mariota has thrown no picks, and Worley has thrown 6 (T-7th in nation).

We are ranked 35th in rushing, 60th in scoring, and 74th in defense (even after the Oregon beatdown).

We are ranked 112th in passing. In perspective, we are beyond dead last in the SEC. Hell, only the likes of Army, Air Force, and Navy have comparable passing attacks.

I really didn't want to resort to using facts to support my opinion, glad you did it for me.

 

[KingtUT]

would take more than that.. unless you consider good a chance at 6 wins.. a good QB might get them to 6...

as Butch has been saying, the margin of error for this team is very small. They played almost perfect games against Peay and Western, few penalties and no turnovers. they won big. it becomes more difficult to play perfect in conference play.

can keep games close if we play with turnovers or penalties this next month. But if we make mistakes, really opens up opportunities for a big score against us

I think we have a chance to win 6 with our poor QB play, I would guarantee 6 if our QB could make the plays that are there to be made.

 

[508mikey]

Please , stop with this pathetic excuse. It's sad.

you didnt see Butch yell at Pig on that int in the end zone ? Watch the whole game before you blame everything on the QB - the OC isnt exactly calling a good game either

 

[LWSVOL]

I think we have a chance to win 6 with our poor QB play, I would guarantee 6 if our QB could make the plays that are there to be made.

agree to a point... lot depends on how healthy we stay into November. there are players we cannot afford to lose if we expect to get to 6..

 

[508mikey]

I'll give him all but .00000000000001% of the blame for our poor offensive execution.

Cant blame him for the UF loss

 

[Meachem]

As long as he shows up for the Georgia game and gets the W

 

[508mikey]

Our d sucks bc it is slow and we won't win until we fix this

Yep - how many missed sacks were there last week because the QB got away from that slow DL and all those shorts passes completed in the LB area ---

 

[508mikey]

As long as he shows up for the Georgia game and gets the W

The O will be there - the D wont

 

[KingtUT]

you didnt see Butch yell at Pig on that int in the end zone ? Watch the whole game before you blame everything on the QB - the OC isnt exactly calling a good game either

Yes I did. I know there are other issues. We ran for several hundred yards, scored 31 points with 2 int's in the end zone, missed several wide open wr's and you think the OC isn't calling a good game? Come on.....MAN!

I'm watching more than the whole game, I've watched 5 games and its perfectly clear he has some serious accuracy problems. I can't believe anyone would say otherwise.

 

[sjt18]

I don't disagree that there are other issues that make our offense look less than spectacular but to try and say the QB play isn't at least 90% of the problem is just silly.

No it isn't and no it isn't silly.

CBJ keeps mentioning the wr's in a futile attempt to take some of the heat off of Worley. If your buying into it, I got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona. It's that simple.

Talk about silly. Young, inexperienced WR's who make bad reads, run routes incorrectly, run the wrong routes, don't complete routes.... are bigger than 10% of the problem AND are not a deflection.

Why exactly would Jones lie in that way? All that would do is discourage his receivers by blaming them when they didn't deserve it.

Who do you think Worley's "go to" guy is? Who is that one guy that he can count on to do everything right consistently then catch the ball?

 

[sjt18]

OC had his best game in orange. There were several opportunities to put the game away that were blown by several different players including but not exclusive to Worley.

The DC.... not so much.

 

[1974Vol]

Have seen many post that Worley doesn't have talent, no arm, etc. IMO that's not the problem. The kid has made several big league throws; examples:

TD at Oregon.
TD to Josh Smith USA.
Frozen rope on slant to Croom in Florida game.

He's got the physical talent its just getting the mental game going so it slows down for him and he makes good decisions. Case in point Pig should have kept running on INT in the end zone but the play wasn't there anyway. Worley needed to throw it three 3 rows deep in the Q section and take the 3.

If he can just get to the point where he is a "game manager" meaning make the throws that are there and don't turn it over, this team could be a threat to win 7 or son ball games.

 

[sjt18]

The O will be there - the D wont

I am hoping against hope that getting the two CB's back will enable them to run an effective nickel and dime D.

I am also hoping that they will notice that AJ does not need to be in the game in the nickel or dime.

 

[SGMVols]

OC had his best game in orange. There were several opportunities to put the game away that were blown by several different players including but not exclusive to Worley.

The DC.... not so much.

The DC is one of only two coaches that Mark Richt has ever fired in his entire UGA tenure. (By the way, the other one is also on this staff.)

 

[1974Vol]

I am hoping against hope that getting the two CB's back will enable them to run an effective nickel and dime D.

I am also hoping that they will notice that AJ does not need to be in the game in the nickel or dime.

Vols will not be able to stop Georgia and Murray from putting up big numbers and a lot of points but what they can do is offset that with turnovers giving our O some short fields and maybe a pick 6 for good measure to even it up. Georgia 500 total yards and 30 points vs. 3 picks and a fumble recovery for our D would be about as good as you could ask.

 

[SGMVols]

Have seen many post that Worley doesn't have talent, no arm, etc. IMO that's not the problem. The kid has made several big league throws; examples:

TD at Oregon.
TD to Josh Smith USA.
Frozen rope on slant to Croom in Florida game.

He's got the physical talent its just getting the mental game going so it slows down for him and he makes good decisions. Case in point Pig should have kept running on INT in the end zone but the play wasn't there anyway. Worley needed to throw it three 3 rows deep in the Q section and take the 3.

If he can just get to the point where he is a "game manager" meaning make the throws that are there and don't turn it over, this team could be a threat to win 7 or son ball games.

He has the weakest arm I've ever seen in a UT QB. He has to do a Juan Marichal-esque windup just to make the throws you listed. That motion will give good DBs more time to read the throw and break on the ball. Just watch, he'll have no fewer than 5 total interceptions over the next 3 games (if he's not benched).