Hate to beat a dead horse but...

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volsfansince4387 said:
Not to be rude but I call bulls***.

The offense revolves around a solid QB. If the defense knows before the game even STARTS that your QB poses no threat, load the box and stomp the running game.

The defense is much improved, but they can only do so much when we are punting 45 seconds after they just got off the field.

Yeah some WR's had some drops here and there but that's in EVERY football game period.

If you go look at the stat's you will see Marcus Mariota is ranked 1 spot higher than Worley in completion percentage. Key difference is that Mariota has thrown no picks, and Worley has thrown 6 (T-7th in nation).

We are ranked 35th in rushing, 60th in scoring, and 74th in defense (even after the Oregon beatdown).

We are ranked 112th in passing. In perspective, we are beyond dead last in the SEC. Hell, only the likes of Army, Air Force, and Navy have comparable passing attacks.
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Right... because it doesn't matter what the receivers do or don't do. Everything is the QB's fault.

Ridiculous in the extreme. The receivers are a MAJOR part of the problem. Pretty futile to argue percentages... but a much superior QB would not be "great" with these receivers right now.

Many have brought up Bray. He definitely had a gun... he also threw to some outstanding receivers who had experience.

Ask yourself honestly.... if you could trade last year's team for Bray or for Hunter, CP, or even ZR... which would you take? Bet you anything Jones would take the receiver.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why exactly would Jones lie in that way?
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The same reason he said the QB race was so close he couldn't name a starter. If the race was truly that close there is no way in hell we wouldn't have seen all four qbs by now.

I've haven't stuck to my original point but let me kinda repeat what I said. We would simply be a much better football team with better qb performances. If there was a way to disregard the performance of the qb, IMO we would all see an improved football team.
 
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KingtUT said:
I really didn't want to resort to using facts to support my opinion, glad you did it for me. :)
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:)

Its just shocking that people really think Worley is the answer.

I'm full blown preparing my mind to comprehend a 3 win UT team so that s*** doesn't sneak up on me.
 
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sjt18 said:
Right... because it doesn't matter what the receivers do or don't do. Everything is the QB's fault.

Ridiculous in the extreme. The receivers are a MAJOR part of the problem. Pretty futile to argue percentages... but a much superior QB would not be "great" with these receivers right now.

Many have brought up Bray. He definitely had a gun... he also threw to some outstanding receivers who had experience.

Ask yourself honestly.... if you could trade last year's team for Bray or for Hunter, CP, or even ZR... which would you take? Bet you anything Jones would take the receiver.
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The guy can't hit a WR running a drag route across the middle when he's wide open. The "throwing to a spot" is so weak but so many of you cling to it because you think to yourself there has to be a reason why it's this bad. Yes the wr's haven't been right all the time but your watching a different game than I am if you can't see he has accuracy issues.
 
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KingtUT said:
The same reason he said the QB race was so close he couldn't name a starter. If the race was truly that close there is no way in hell we wouldn't have seen all four qbs by now.
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Yes. There is. He is trying to preserve their RS's.... and as he has REPEATEDLY said... neither is ready to play.

I've haven't stuck to my original point but let me kinda repeat what I said. We would simply be a much better football team with better qb performances. If there was a way to disregard the performance of the qb, IMO we would all see an improved football team.
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I agree with that... but it will take improved receiver play to go with it. Worley can improve all he wants but the results are not going to get a ton better until the receivers play well consistently.

The one glaring thing from Saturday I saw that Worley has to fix RIGHT NOW is his inability to hit the easy underneath routes. That was flat out awful. He looked great on that bullet to Croom... but can't hit a 10 yd throw? That's confusing.
 
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sjt18 said:
Right... because it doesn't matter what the receivers do or don't do. Everything is the QB's fault.

Ridiculous in the extreme. The receivers are a MAJOR part of the problem. Pretty futile to argue percentages... but a much superior QB would not be "great" with these receivers right now.

Many have brought up Bray. He definitely had a gun... he also threw to some outstanding receivers who had experience.

Ask yourself honestly.... if you could trade last year's team for Bray or for Hunter, CP, or even ZR... which would you take? Bet you anything Jones would take the receiver.
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Bray ALL DAY.

North can catch like Hunter did.

Josh Smith is a younger ZRog.

You hype CP up to much in this aspect. CP did very little when it came to actually getting open and catching the ball. (Hence, the reason we ran so many end-arounds and WR screens)

I don't think it's the WR's fault when the ball is sailing 10 feet above their head on short out routes or falling 20 yards to short on a deep post.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. There is. He is trying to preserve their RS's.... and as he has REPEATEDLY said... neither is ready to play.



I agree with that... but it will take improved receiver play to go with it. Worley can improve all he wants but the results are not going to get a ton better until the receivers play well consistently.

The one glaring thing from Saturday I saw that Worley has to fix RIGHT NOW is his inability to hit the easy underneath routes. That was flat out awful. He looked great on that bullet to Croom... but can't hit a 10 yd throw? That's confusing.
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He better worry about winning this year and next and quit worrying about 4 yrs from now.

He also needs to improve on his under thrown post patterns too. Seems to me the more wide open the wr's are, the more off target he is. Blows my mind.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
Bray ALL DAY.

North can catch like Hunter did.

Josh Smith is a younger ZRog.

You hype CP up to much in this aspect. CP did very little when it came to actually getting open and catching the ball. (Hence, the reason we ran so many end-arounds and WR screens)
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North doesn't have the experience Hunter had. You seem to think that all a receiver does is run out and catch the pass. They have in-play and pre-play reads that change their routes. Their routes have to be run the same way EVERY SINGLE TIME... North is WAY off on that. North isn't in the same universe as Hunter was last year... and Hunter wasn't as good as he was before his knee injury.

Josh Smith may be a younger ZR... A younger ZR wouldn't help this team.

Agree on CP... but he helps regardless and would still have more experience coupled with talent than any of the current guys.

Guarantee that Jones would trade almost anything for even one experienced, talented, go to WR... He'd probably even give a little on the "talent".
 
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KingtUT said:
He better worry about winning this year and next and quit worrying about 4 yrs from now.
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You assume too much.... still. You assume that either of the Fr would do better or even ARE better... and you still assume that too much of the problem lies with the QB.

It will do no one any good if he plays one of the Fr while the WR's are still as inconsistent as they are.
 
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sjt18 said:
North doesn't have the experience Hunter had. You seem to think that all a receiver does is run out and catch the pass. They have in-play and pre-play reads that change their routes. Their routes have to be run the same way EVERY SINGLE TIME... North is WAY off on that. North isn't in the same universe as Hunter was last year... and Hunter wasn't as good as he was before his knee injury.

Josh Smith may be a younger ZR... A younger ZR wouldn't help this team.

Agree on CP... but he helps regardless and would still have more experience coupled with talent than any of the current guys.

Guarantee that Jones would trade almost anything for even one experienced, talented, go to WR... He'd probably even give a little on the "talent".
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And Worley can hit him in stride on a route? GTFO. The fact that North stayed in the game and Worley was even pulled from starting the Florida game says that I not only think your argument is dumb, the coaches do as well. All we did was realize we have 2 **** QB's instead of 1.
 
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sjt18 said:
You assume too much.... still. You assume that either of the Fr would do better or even ARE better... and you still assume that too much of the problem lies with the QB.

It will do no one any good if he plays one of the Fr while the WR's are still as inconsistent as they are.
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I don't assume the freshman would do better. I simply said "better qb performances" would make us a much better team. I'm aware that the answer may not be on the team right now or that the answer just isn't ready yet. This qb controversy is a result of CBJ telling everybody that the qb race was so close. Based on his comments, there's no reason not to think the freshman could come in and do just as good as Worley has. CBJ brought this on himself IMO.

And yes, I think most of the problem "lies with the qb". As a matter of fact, I'm sure of it. :)
 
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There is an entire team to take credit for the lack of success on offense. We are getting way too many pressures on the QB. When the ball is delivered on target we have too many misses. When the ball is neat a receiver they make attempts if it isn't right to them. When they are open Worley misses them sometimes. There is problems in all phases of the game, but they are getting better. They will continue to get better. At least this team has the gumption to grind it out when they are having a bad day and find ways to win. They did put enough drives together to win the game and to ice the game. That is a good place to start. We haven't seen that in long time.
 
#90
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IMO we needed the practice of being in a tight game and practicing the things it takes to hang on to a lead.
 
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#91
Both offense and defense took control and did what they had to do to win by executing plays. I thought it was a huge step forward for this team. They didn't beat themselves by having too many men on the field in that huge stop on the goal line.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
And Worley can hit him in stride on a route?
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No one I know of including me has said Worley didn't need to improve. Are you so dull that you cannot conceive that more than one factor contributes to the problem? Worley DID hit North in stride on a pattern. In fact, it was the same or a similar route to the one where Worley threw behind him in one of the first two games. North ran the route correctly. Worley drilled it into him for a nice game. Worley is starting to have a nice sync with Croom and Smith (if Smith will stop dropping passes). The TD pass to Smith looked for the world like something Bray would have thrown.

The fact that North stayed in the game and Worley was even pulled from starting the Florida game says that I not only think your argument is dumb, the coaches do as well. All we did was realize we have 2 **** QB's instead of 1.
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Sorry. But no.

I could have just as easily have said that the fact that North was chewed out a couple of times on the sideline Saturday proves that Worley is fine and North is the problem.

But the FACT so apparent to those who are not "dumb" is that Worley has some issues and the receivers have issues. ALL are improving as evidenced by some of the throws, catches, and route discipline vs USA. Not all of the problems are solved... but they are stretching themselves and doing more complex things now than 4 weeks ago.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
One will transfer at season's end. Could be Dobbs if CBJ still deems him "not ready".
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I actually expect the RS to come off one of them this year even if it is to play mop up. IMHO, Peterman is the odd man out right now. I think both of the Fr stay at least one more year.

I really like Peterman... but the chance Jones took at UF probably ended his UT career.
 
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KingtUT said:
And yes, I think most of the problem "lies with the qb". As a matter of fact, I'm sure of it. :)
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Well I'm sure its not... so there.:hi:

Actually I think there are developmental issues with both groups... and take encouragement from that instead of being discouraged like I was after the Oregon game.

I DO see progress from APSU to USA in the passing game. They aren't "clicking" but 4 weeks ago they were afraid to even try anything. Jones said multiple times that Worley needed to stop waiting for guys to "be" open before throwing. Well, he's now throwing to where he expects them to be. Now there's at least a correctable error to coach up.

I like that he's listened and is taking more chances. He needs to and this was the perfect game on this ugly schedule for him to take more risks. Now they can coach him up... coach the WR's up... and we get to see North breaking open on a go route and catching the ball in stride rather than him stopping and the ball flying over his head... or if you rather... we'll see him break off the route to be hit in the wide open by a pass.

Every mistake we have seen or discussed from the receivers and Worley are a) coachable and b) within the ability of the players to fix.
 
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#98
#98
KingtUT said:
Yes I did. I know there are other issues. We ran for several hundred yards, scored 31 points with 2 int's in the end zone, missed several wide open wr's and you think the OC isn't calling a good game? Come on.....MAN!

I'm watching more than the whole game, I've watched 5 games and its perfectly clear he has some serious accuracy problems. I can't believe anyone would say otherwise.
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the play calling is VERY predictable - that read option is not working - they know when Worley is going to pass and they bring the pressure. Worley running the ball was a step up - notice what happened when he didnt do it in the 2nd half - Its simple Jones doesnt have the players or Oline for a SO offense ---- just like Clawsen in 08
 
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sjt18 said:
I actually expect the RS to come off one of them this year even if it is to play mop up. IMHO, Peterman is the odd man out right now. I think both of the Fr stay at least one more year.

I really like Peterman... but the chance Jones took at UF probably ended his UT career.
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I hope it doesn't happen, but I've got a weird feeling Worley will get hurt in the first half on Saturday. Call me crazy I guess..
 
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